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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2013, 10:41:18 PM »
So, I was thinking, what if it wasn't Mephisto's number in the phone? Sure he popped up right after Rin ringed and he was holding his mobile to his ear (if memory doesn't fail me) but so what? He is the freaking King of Time and Space and can freaking be in two places at the same time and not be seen if he doesn't want to, plus, there had been a funeral, so Fujimoto's death had already been reported so he knew Rin or Yukio would eventually have to go to him since he was the only other person who knew the secret.

YES I really like this idea. It'd be even bigger plottwist than Renzo being a spy, I guess? Because wow.

By the way I found this and I couldn't resist posting under this crack theory
http://claudinsky.tumblr.com/post/7456704092/

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2013, 10:05:21 AM »
I will remove the spoiler when the (Viz) translation is out.
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Can I flash a little on why Rin's name means Lucifer?

What if, Lucifer is the only demon king who inherited Satan's flames?

What if "cake is a lie" and Rin is actually Lucifer's son? (Lucy seems able to not destroy his human host and, if he is a Demon King, may be a son of him could actually host Satan).
Assuming that's true, then Lucy could be the guy who looked through Yukio's blue eyes.

In case Satan isn't the father, maybe he, Satan, should make a paternity test. Yuri loves demons so much, she slept with two of them. And that's why Yuri named Rin (aka Lucifer) after his father because she loves Lucy.
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2013, 08:06:26 PM »
I will remove the spoiler when the (Viz) translation is out.
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2013, 09:46:14 PM »
In this last chapter that was that mention about the seraph and that got me thinking about the angels and god stuff that ao no exorcist currently doesn't have but I caught myself thinking if the aria use biblical recites and stuff like that it means that it's power comes from something, would that something be god or a thing like that? (sorry my english)

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2013, 11:55:00 PM »
In this last chapter that was that mention about the seraph and that got me thinking about the angels and god stuff that ao no exorcist currently doesn't have but I caught myself thinking if the aria use biblical recites and stuff like that it means that it's power comes from something, would that something be god or a thing like that? (sorry my english)

The thing is, Ucchussma kind of lumped every supernatural being in same box:

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Also, we know really little about fatal verses, just that each demon has a certain phrase they cannot tolerate hearing. Also, not only biblical quotes are used, arias chant sutras and mantras, too.

Kazue seems to be going with an "all religions are true" theme, an almighty God doesn't really work with it. Plus, the Seraph was identified as a subordinate of a Demon King.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2013, 01:08:45 AM »
^ Yeah, she said so in the 'early sketches' extras. But she also said that it didn't make sense because 'the one is using fire, but the other is named Rin', so there must be a link with fire somewhere.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2013, 02:42:17 AM »
Ok, so I was asking chaotickairos why she used "karma" instead of "responsibility" here:

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When chaotickairos first translated the chapter he wrote:

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Lucifer: Why must we continue to exist, burdened by karma and suffering? This world is not as strong as you. It is filled with the weak.

Then,  chinonamida  translated:

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Luficer: why is it, we must maintain this state of existence while shouldering such responsibilities and pain. in this world, there is not only beings as powerful as you. there is many weak beings also.

Then Viz went along the lines of Chino.

So, I wanted to ask, is there any reason why Chaotic chose "karma" and Chino chose "responsibilities"? Something to do with the kanji and the furigana may be?

and she answered:


Hi there! First of all, I am a girl, just so you know.
With that translation, the raws used this kanji, 業, gou. According to the dictionary we used, it was translated as karma. At first, I thought we might have mistranslated, (My sister translated this page, so I was unsure.) but I checked as many online kanji dictionaries, and they all gave me the reading karma. It probably has to do with word choice and what sounds better, but I'll concede to the other versions, as they probably know more about what they're doing than we do.

So, according to the article about Karma in Buddhism from Wikipedia, indeed, that's how Japanese write "karma" so I think I will take it as a valid alternative and develop from there one of my crazy links that lead to nowhere but are fun to write (and I hope to read, too).

Ok, a long time ago, I found that the symbol in the students' ties, some characters' emblems and the school's crest might be a "Sacred Seed" that correspond to the Tibetan Buda of Compassion Tara: http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,218.msg4971.html#msg4971

As you know, Tibetan Buddhism is influenced by Taoism.

Now, I want to remark some of Lucy's words about his goal:



Now, I shall introduce you to the creation myth of Taoism:

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'Before the world came into being there existed only the Cosmic Egg that floated unchanging in the Void for untold ages. Yin and Yang was the Egg, opposites perfectly mingled. And it was because they were perfectly mingled that the world could not yet be.

'Then within the Egg was born P'an Ku, the primordial man who slowly grew and grew until the Egg felt too cramped for him. Impatiently he stretched out his limbs and his hand closed about an axe, coming from whence no one knows. Striking with all his might, P'an Ku split the shell of the Egg and burst free.

'He then began to fashion the material of Chaos, separating Yin and Yang into sky and earth, in which he was aided by the four most fortunate creatures who had emerged from the Egg with him: the Unicorn, the Dragon, the Phoenix and the Tortoise. They were engaged in this labour for 18,000 years and each day P'an Ku grew ten feet, using his own body as a pillar to force heaven and earth apart.

'When the separation was complete and they had settled in their places, P'an Ku died. His breath became the wind and clouds, his eyes became the sun and moon. His stomach, head and limbs became the principal mountains of the world, watered by the rivers of his sweat and tears; his flesh became the fertile soil and his hair the plants and trees which took root in it. The fleas on his body became the human race. Then P'an Ku drifted in space for a further 18,000 years before entering a holy virgin as a ray of light and being born into the world by her as Tien-Tsun, the First Cause.'

Now, let's remember what Fujimoto said about Gehena and Asshia being mirrored worlds:



Now, I will take a moment to clarify the concept of Yin and Yang (because no, it's not about good vs evil):

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Yang is the white side with the black dot on it, and yin is the black side with the white dot on it.

The relationship between yin and yang is often described in terms of sunlight playing over a mountain and a valley.

Yin (literally the 'shady place' or 'north slope') is the dark area occluded by the mountain's bulk, while yang (literally the 'sunny place' or 'south slope') is the brightly lit portion. As the sun moves across the sky, yin and yang gradually trade places with each other, revealing what was obscured and obscuring what was revealed.

Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, and passive; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity and nighttime.

Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, and aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime.

Ok, now I will remark and aspect of Tara's figure in Taoism:

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Tārā is also known as a saviouress, as a heavenly deity who hears the cries of beings experiencing misery in samsara.

Samsara, for those not familiar with he term:

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Within Buddhism, samsara is defined as the continual repetitive cycle of birth and death that arises from ordinary beings' grasping and fixating on a self and experiences. Specifically, samsara refers to the process of cycling through one rebirth after another within the six realms of existence, where each realm can be understood as either a physical realm or a psychological state characterized by a particular type of suffering. Samsara arises out of avidya (ignorance) and is characterized by dukkha (suffering, anxiety, dissatisfaction). In the Buddhist view, liberation from samsara is possible by following the Buddhist path.

Ok, if we remember, in the "Mad Ravings of Mephisto", he speaks about the human desire for knowledge.

The cycle of rebirth of Samsara is linked with ignorance.

Budhism links suffering to desire and many of its teachings are about getting rid of material desire (Mephisto names three desires that drive humans: material, sexual and knowledge).

So, my theory is this:

Gehena would be the Yin (because of how demons are often weaker on daylight and also because of the peak we got when Rin fought Amaimon, the place looked rather dark).

Asshia would be the Yang, then.

Lucy wants to go back tot he beginning, to the cosmic egg, when Yin and Yang were mixed.

Mephisto doesn't like that idea, because that would mean no humans, nothing of the shit he likes then. Or, maybe it has to do with what he said in "The Mad Ravings..." about him not knowing it all, too, and how there are many answers that have scaped him so far. And how he predicted that the desire for knowledge would end up being what would b the only thing to keep people fighting later on.

The Tara Seed all over the Academy would them have to do with some Mephisto approach of the Samsara cycle.

It's also on the Kurikara's sheath:

http://i38.mangareader.net/ao-no-exorcist/1/ao-no-exorcist-632409.jpg

Which reminds me of Mephisto's bet on Rin turning out either into a Demon King or a Saviour for Asshia.

And, remember that Uchussma said Rin would eventually have to choose between being human or being a demon, that kind of could be linked to the idea of Yin and Yang having to exist separated.
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2013, 05:12:00 AM »
I have this gut feeling Yuri Egin didn't die at child birth and didn't never really intent to abandon Yukio and Rin...

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2013, 05:54:39 AM »
What if tamers all had trace amounts of demon blood, and that's what gives them thier ability? It would make sense, as summoning ability has been lightly suggested to be hereditary as well.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM »
This is so Crack I don't even...

Ok... here I go...

What if Takara is a girl?

I mean, in the early manga sketches he is a girl:

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Then, when Kazue made the genderbends for the exwires, she genderbent everyone in the class at the time, but Nemu:

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And let's not forget his excuse not to wear a swimsuit:



I also feel he pulled the girl's uniform better than most of the guys:


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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2013, 01:15:20 AM »
^and Nemu is a female name.

but I don't know what that would accomplish.

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« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2013, 01:19:13 AM »
Comedic relief when they found out? Like with the ghost?

I dunno, I will wait for what concept of miko is Kazue going to manage because that's what I was thinking about when I came up with this...

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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2013, 01:48:09 AM »
^they already did it with yamada. and people didn't react so much.

If nemu turned out to be a girl, I don't think anyone would care. both characters and readers.

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btw, thanks for this sketch. I haven't seen it.

I like the apathetic girl with messy hair and uneven socks.
but the guy behind the female version of takara looks . . . almost like he's a male version of shiemi. maybe that's her brother.
and I don't want to know why she has a bird on her head

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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2013, 02:02:10 AM »
You should actually thank  Kristen_SK who posted it on the Early Manga Scketches Thread:

http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,117.0.html

I dunno, Yamada/Shura was different.

It was really early in the story and I think "Yamada" had had like one dialogue (ok, not even a dialogue, he threw a one liner to Bon if I'm not wrong).

With Takara, even if it has been really recent, we have had him do some little stuff and well... we have known him for for a while longer than Yamada...

Well, whatever, it's not important really, just a though that came out of the top of my head while I was studying for a mid-term (which I will totally fail).

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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2013, 03:10:46 AM »
^ah? then thanks Kristen_SK.


even if I dont see why, I agree takara could be a girl.
. . . takara still doesnt have a character profil, right?

wait. koneko said takara was the son of the president of a toy company.
玩具会社「宝ホビー」の社長子息でもある。

if koneko is right, that settles it.