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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #675 on: November 24, 2017, 09:05:45 AM »
I thought of a theorie concerning the traitor.

I don't think that Drac is the traitor. I find it's too easy and Kato likes surprising us now ! So I thought about it and I was wondering if Angel could be the traitor...
I know it's a crazy theorie but maybe he plays a double dealing since the beginning. x)

What do you think ?
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #676 on: November 24, 2017, 06:17:18 PM »
Could be! I'm nearly 100% sure that Angel is a Lucy clone, and Angel already has suspicious amnesia of his life before and on the Blue Night.

Noticing that many of our Crack Theories are a variant of "character is really only acting and really has a super-secret plan". It's been this way since Renzou turned out to be a spy. Curse you, Renzou!
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #677 on: November 24, 2017, 06:49:27 PM »
Could be! I'm nearly 100% sure that Angel is a Lucy clone, and Angel already has suspicious amnesia of his life before and on the Blue Night.

Yes, me too. Especially that his sword "Caliburn" is affiliated to the light (not really mentioned in the manga but in chapter 38, when he brings down the Impure Princess, his attack looks like a brightness of light, also in the last episode of the first season so...)
And I find that he hasn't played an important role yet.

Aaah so many questions... I look forward to learning more ! x)

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« Reply #678 on: December 04, 2017, 09:53:28 PM »
Time to blurb out some nonesense again. What if Lightning is an Illuminati spy and he gave Yukio the usb to "push him" to join the Illuminati on purpose? Well, essentially, Yukio's decided to finally take that route thanks to that. Plus, he asked Shima to do him a favor and the only thing Shima did so far is come pick Yukio with an helicopter to escort him to the Illuminati.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #679 on: December 04, 2017, 09:56:09 PM »
Time to blurb out some nonesense again. What if Lightning is an Illuminati spy and he gave Yukio the usb to "push him" to join the Illuminati on purpose? Well, essentially, Yukio's decided to finally take that route thanks to that. Plus, he asked Shima to do him a favor and the only thing Shima did so far is come pick Yukio with an helicopter to escort him to the Illuminati.

If Lightning turns out to be the other Illuminati spy within the order I think I will literally cry.

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« Reply #680 on: December 07, 2017, 06:01:30 AM »
Putting this here because I don't have good canon-support for the following argument. It's more of a headcanon, but it forms the basis of why I am sympathetic to Yukio.

Here's the deal: I believe the cause of Yukio's sore loser attitude is feelings of abandonment.

This seems a bit out there, so I'll explain: Rin never could see demons, while Yukio always could. Growing up, Yukio had to have told Rin about what he saw. Since kids play make-believe, Rin might have even gone along with it. However, as Rin got older, he would've thought that Yukio was just being a scaredy-cat. Lol little bro, monsters in the bathroom don't exist. Except... they did. Eventually Yukio stopped telling Rin what he saw. He couldn't rely on Rin to help him. But Rin would inconsistently try to help, not noticing that Yukio was getting targeted by demons, but would react if he saw kids bullying Yukio. So Yukio developed this "I don't need your help [because you'll let me down]" attitude.

This also explains Yukio's tendency to abandon Rin. Yukio is aware he does this, implicitly bringing it up when he muses about Rin arriving sooner than he expected and wonders how they could've turned out so differently. Rin never stops trying to help people even if they have left him before, while Yukio walks out on people before they can leave him. A lot of his seeking power antics have roots in fearing being surpassed AKA left behind.
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #681 on: December 07, 2017, 01:51:50 PM »
Theory....Satan will try to fully possess either Rin or Yukio
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #682 on: December 09, 2017, 04:19:24 PM »
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(Shima didn't call Mephisto sooner because he was unconscious, by the way)
Hai, that was my first thought too.... but that kind of seemed like a long time though. (And without another random passerby not noticing him there?) *tsk*
I review the whole event and then get some new (crack) theory :

Though it's natural to assume Shima just faint on the snow ground after Yukio's kick, but he never really said that.

This is what I think could happen in the morning : After Yukio's kick, Shima still had a talk with him. And then something happened (because this talk won't last several hours). It could be Illuminati coming. That's why Shima can't call Mephisto earlier.

And it's also why Yukio went to Mephisto for answer. Some Illuminati representative (for example, boss lady) pointed out he can ask Lucifer for the answers of the eye, but Yukio still couldn't decide to leave the Order so he asked Illuminati to wait for a while. He went to talk to Mephisto as the last try. Then it failed and Yukio is arrested. But he knows that the Illuminati is going to pick him up soon, and that's why he stopped and started to delay Rin's rescue in this chapter.

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« Reply #683 on: December 10, 2017, 04:58:46 AM »
Yes... because then it makes more sense for Shima to 'just so happen' to be there with a helicopter when Rin was trying to make a break for it after freeing Yukio.

Some sort of communication that we have not heard yet must have gone on between Shima, Mephisto, and other parties in question. Yukio did know that Rin would go after him... it was the 'when' that he couldn't pinpont precisely.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #684 on: December 10, 2017, 05:37:10 PM »
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(Shima didn't call Mephisto sooner because he was unconscious, by the way)
Hai, that was my first thought too.... but that kind of seemed like a long time though. (And without another random passerby not noticing him there?) *tsk*
I review the whole event and then get some new (crack) theory :

Though it's natural to assume Shima just faint on the snow ground after Yukio's kick, but he never really said that.

This is what I think could happen in the morning : After Yukio's kick, Shima still had a talk with him. And then something happened (because this talk won't last several hours). It could be Illuminati coming. That's why Shima can't call Mephisto earlier.

And it's also why Yukio went to Mephisto for answer. Some Illuminati representative (for example, boss lady) pointed out he can ask Lucifer for the answers of the eye, but Yukio still couldn't decide to leave the Order so he asked Illuminati to wait for a while. He went to talk to Mephisto as the last try. Then it failed and Yukio is arrested. But he knows that the Illuminati is going to pick him up soon, and that's why he stopped and started to delay Rin's rescue in this chapter.

I'm starting to think this could be quite possible. As I said before, we're left with this mysterious 4 hours gap in-between the time Shima shows up in front of Yukio after he tried to shoot himself and Yukio reappearing in front of Mephisto/Shima calling him to warn him. Something must definitely have happened. I thought it could be related to some Yukio's plan. I don't completely buy that Yukio didn't give any chance to Shima to talk before he seized him to the floor. I have a feeling what actually happened (aside the only panel we're shown) was cut down on purpose and could be revealed later. Prolly even next chapter.

There's also that thing about Shima wanting to warn/inform Mephisto about something else right before he cut the call down. So it's possible he wanted to warn Mephisto about the Illuminati getting active over Yukio's case very soon. Or about what Lightning asked him to do (anyway, whatever Lightning asked Shima to do it has to be related to Yukio, right? 'Cause before asking Shima to do him the favor Lightning specifically asked: "You're spying on Yukio Okumura, right?").

And it could also tie up to the shooter thing because nothing can't convince me that the shooter being there and shooting his gun in THAT exact moment wasn't planned by someone beforehand. So, if it was not Yukio's plan, then it was the Illuminati's. And they're objective is easy to guess: get Mephisto to drop the barrier around the gate down. Or maybe it's all connected. Argh. Complicated.

Anyway, that's right. Yukio stating: "You came sooner than expected." sounds like he had some plans and was most likely hoping he could get away (through Shima's help) before Rin reached him so to avoid to confront him. As in: "I knew you'd come to rescue me, so I wanted to be gone before you reached me. But you didn't lose any time and so we ended up meeting."

It also made me remember about chapter 16. When Todo was buying time after the fake stealing of the eye incident.

In any case, if Yukio and Shima actually had a talk I guess it went like, Shima: "Gee, dude, why you keep acting like a moron? You have an easy way to get what you want. Just accept it and cut out the stubborn act already. You were about to give up on your life. You're so low right now to do that. At this point, why not accept help even if it comes from you enemy? Oh, but I guess you know by now the Order and Illuminati are not that different. So the choice should be easier for you now, right?"
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #685 on: December 11, 2017, 01:44:52 AM »
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(Shima didn't call Mephisto sooner because he was unconscious, by the way)
Hai, that was my first thought too.... but that kind of seemed like a long time though. (And without another random passerby not noticing him there?) *tsk*
I review the whole event and then get some new (crack) theory :

Though it's natural to assume Shima just faint on the snow ground after Yukio's kick, but he never really said that.

This is what I think could happen in the morning : After Yukio's kick, Shima still had a talk with him. And then something happened (because this talk won't last several hours). It could be Illuminati coming. That's why Shima can't call Mephisto earlier.

And it's also why Yukio went to Mephisto for answer. Some Illuminati representative (for example, boss lady) pointed out he can ask Lucifer for the answers of the eye, but Yukio still couldn't decide to leave the Order so he asked Illuminati to wait for a while. He went to talk to Mephisto as the last try. Then it failed and Yukio is arrested. But he knows that the Illuminati is going to pick him up soon, and that's why he stopped and started to delay Rin's rescue in this chapter.

I'm starting to think this could be quite possible. As I said before, we're left with this mysterious 4 hours gap in-between the time Shima shows up in front of Yukio after he tried to shoot himself and Yukio reappearing in front of Mephisto/Shima calling him to warn him. Something must definitely have happened. I thought it could be related to some Yukio's plan. I don't completely buy that Yukio didn't give any chance to Shima to talk before he seized him to the floor. I have a feeling what actually happened (aside the only panel we're shown) was cut down on purpose and could be revealed later. Prolly even next chapter.

There's also that thing about Shima wanting to warn/inform Mephisto about something else right before he cut the call down. So it's possible he wanted to warn Mephisto about the Illuminati getting active over Yukio's case very soon. Or about what Lightning asked him to do (anyway, whatever Lightning asked Shima to do it has to be related to Yukio, right? 'Cause before asking Shima to do him the favor Lightning specifically asked: "You're spying on Yukio Okumura, right?").

And it could also tie up to the shooter thing because nothing can't convince me that the shooter being there and shooting his gun in THAT exact moment wasn't planned by someone beforehand. So, if it was not Yukio's plan, then it was the Illuminati's. And they're objective is easy to guess: get Mephisto to drop the barrier around the gate down. Or maybe it's all connected. Argh. Complicated.

Anyway, that's right. Yukio stating: "You came sooner than expected." sounds like he had some plans and was most likely hoping he could get away (through Shima's help) before Rin reached him so to avoid to confront him. As in: "I knew you'd come to rescue me, so I wanted to be gone before you reached me. But you didn't lose any time and so we ended up meeting."

It also made me remember about chapter 16. When Todo was buying time after the fake stealing of the eye incident.

In any case, if Yukio and Shima actually had a talk I guess it went like, Shima: "Gee, dude, why you keep acting like a moron? You have an easy way to get what you want. Just accept it and cut out the stubborn act already. You were about to give up on your life. You're so low right now to do that. At this point, why not accept help even if it comes from you enemy? Oh, but I guess you know by now the Order and Illuminati are not that different. So the choice should be easier for you now, right?"

I've been wondering why Katou even had Shima come in that time if nothing really happened, so it makes sense we are missing some dialogue that went on behind the scenes. But if Yukio agreed on some plan by Shima that the Illuminati would come bail him out, that would mean Yukio planned to get arrested or expected he would be. I don't think Yukio expected to shoot (or try to) Mephisto because it seemed like raw emotion/impulse and no planned decision at that time. The least I can think is that Yukio knew he might get into trouble because he was going to probably get reckless to get some answers, and he didn't care. Oh what's that Shima? The Illuminati will be there for me? I'll keep that in mind I guess.

So I don't think Yukio got so buddy-buddy with Shima at that time to the point of making some plans and contingencies. Otherwise he wouldn't have wrestled Shima to the ground.

So some dialogue like this
In any case, if Yukio and Shima actually had a talk I guess it went like, Shima: "Gee, dude, why you keep acting like a moron? You have an easy way to get what you want. Just accept it and cut out the stubborn act already. You were about to give up on your life. You're so low right now to do that. At this point, why not accept help even if it comes from you enemy? Oh, but I guess you know by now the Order and Illuminati are not that different. So the choice should be easier for you now, right?"

Yukio likely listened to Shima but probably was still stubbornly refusing to be completely bought in, got tired of seeing his shit-eating grin and wrestled him down. (that or they did make plans but then Shima made some tease at the end, and Yukio comedically put him in his place)

Yukio also seemed a bit surprised when he saw the chopper, but not so surprised that he didn't expect they might be waiting in the wings for him (because he knows they want to recruit him bad). What I mean is, it's  not the just in time as we planned look implying that Yukio already gave them the thumbs-up.



Speaking of the helicopter, I noticed it teleported through a light power, and just appeared in the air. Does that mean Lucifer could be in the helicopter? Is this even important enough for Lucifer to grace us with his presence?

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« Reply #686 on: December 11, 2017, 02:25:34 AM »
sorry for double post

I had this crack theory or thought that maybe one of the reasons Mephisto maneuvered Yukio into the Illuminati was to protect him (Though I think the main reason is to motivate Rin to fight the Illuminati seriously).

What I mean is Mephisto is an amazing chessmaster with a lot of influence in the Order, but his decision-making power in the Order is not without limits. To them, he's still just the Japanese Branch head with a guile tongue. He was able to sort-of convince them not to kill Rin, because at least Rin's power is more independent from Satan, and he could possibly control it and use it in the Order's favor. But if they knew about Yukio's eyes and the fact that Satan himself was behind them and controlling the flames, I don't think even Mephisto could squirm Yukio out of an execution. So in a way Yukio is far more risky to keep alive than Rin, even if it was just limited to his eyes (We saw what they can do, Satan's flame control and precision is godly).

So Mephisto knew the Order would eventually find out that Yukio was not 'just your average' human, and made plans to have him guided into the Illuminati. Like when he saw Toudou witness the eyes, he knew Toudou would report to Lucifer, and so on... 

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« Reply #687 on: December 11, 2017, 06:09:34 AM »
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(Shima didn't call Mephisto sooner because he was unconscious, by the way)
Hai, that was my first thought too.... but that kind of seemed like a long time though. (And without another random passerby not noticing him there?) *tsk*
I review the whole event and then get some new (crack) theory :

Though it's natural to assume Shima just faint on the snow ground after Yukio's kick, but he never really said that.

This is what I think could happen in the morning : After Yukio's kick, Shima still had a talk with him. And then something happened (because this talk won't last several hours). It could be Illuminati coming. That's why Shima can't call Mephisto earlier.

And it's also why Yukio went to Mephisto for answer. Some Illuminati representative (for example, boss lady) pointed out he can ask Lucifer for the answers of the eye, but Yukio still couldn't decide to leave the Order so he asked Illuminati to wait for a while. He went to talk to Mephisto as the last try. Then it failed and Yukio is arrested. But he knows that the Illuminati is going to pick him up soon, and that's why he stopped and started to delay Rin's rescue in this chapter.

I'm starting to think this could be quite possible. As I said before, we're left with this mysterious 4 hours gap in-between the time Shima shows up in front of Yukio after he tried to shoot himself and Yukio reappearing in front of Mephisto/Shima calling him to warn him. Something must definitely have happened. I thought it could be related to some Yukio's plan. I don't completely buy that Yukio didn't give any chance to Shima to talk before he seized him to the floor. I have a feeling what actually happened (aside the only panel we're shown) was cut down on purpose and could be revealed later. Prolly even next chapter.

There's also that thing about Shima wanting to warn/inform Mephisto about something else right before he cut the call down. So it's possible he wanted to warn Mephisto about the Illuminati getting active over Yukio's case very soon. Or about what Lightning asked him to do (anyway, whatever Lightning asked Shima to do it has to be related to Yukio, right? 'Cause before asking Shima to do him the favor Lightning specifically asked: "You're spying on Yukio Okumura, right?").

And it could also tie up to the shooter thing because nothing can't convince me that the shooter being there and shooting his gun in THAT exact moment wasn't planned by someone beforehand. So, if it was not Yukio's plan, then it was the Illuminati's. And they're objective is easy to guess: get Mephisto to drop the barrier around the gate down. Or maybe it's all connected. Argh. Complicated.

Anyway, that's right. Yukio stating: "You came sooner than expected." sounds like he had some plans and was most likely hoping he could get away (through Shima's help) before Rin reached him so to avoid to confront him. As in: "I knew you'd come to rescue me, so I wanted to be gone before you reached me. But you didn't lose any time and so we ended up meeting."

It also made me remember about chapter 16. When Todo was buying time after the fake stealing of the eye incident.

In any case, if Yukio and Shima actually had a talk I guess it went like, Shima: "Gee, dude, why you keep acting like a moron? You have an easy way to get what you want. Just accept it and cut out the stubborn act already. You were about to give up on your life. You're so low right now to do that. At this point, why not accept help even if it comes from you enemy? Oh, but I guess you know by now the Order and Illuminati are not that different. So the choice should be easier for you now, right?"

I've been wondering why Katou even had Shima come in that time if nothing really happened, so it makes sense we are missing some dialogue that went on behind the scenes. But if Yukio agreed on some plan by Shima that the Illuminati would come bail him out, that would mean Yukio planned to get arrested or expected he would be.
I think that's too strange. There is no point for Yukio to let himself arrested. Being in prison would make him more difficult to join Illuminati, not easier.

My original (crack) theory is, Yukio just couldn't decide to join Illuminati in the morning, so he went to Mephisto as his last attempt to believe in the Order. Maybe he directly told an Illuminati recruiter that "Let me try to ask Mephisto. If I still can't get the answer then I'll give up and join you." Then Yukio is arrested. That's not what he expected. But he knows it's OK anyway because Illuminati will get him out soon. That's also why he doesn't speak a single word to Shura.

I don't think Yukio got so buddy-buddy with Shima at that time to the point of making some plans and contingencies. Otherwise he wouldn't have wrestled Shima to the ground.
So you think any additional dialogue is before Yukio's attack? I think it's likely to be after Yukio's attack. (And it matches Shima's description to Mephisto that Yukio attacked him when he started to speak.) Yukio could have some dialogue with Shima because he already controlled Shima, not a buddy-buddy dialogue ...

Moreover, I believe if Yukio could have any really agreement with Illuminati, it should be that they send some representative other than Shima or Toudou. (Boss lady is a good candidate.) They might detect Satan talking at the end of chapter 93.

Yukio also seemed a bit surprised when he saw the chopper, but not so surprised that he didn't expect they might be waiting in the wings for him (because he knows they want to recruit him bad). What I mean is, it's  not the just in time as we planned look implying that Yukio already gave them the thumbs-up.
Yukio could be surprised by the way the helicopter shows up.

There is some strange points in this chapter. Like he suddenly started to talk "You and I are so different."  I can understand what he means, but as Rin said it's too strange to talk about this at such place. Or he wants to argue with Rin. But why not directly start the juicy part "Shiro is a clone and we are created to be weapon."  Yukio's words before the helicopter shows up sounds kind of like to waste time waiting for something.

Speaking of the helicopter, I noticed it teleported through a light power, and just appeared in the air. Does that mean Lucifer could be in the helicopter? Is this even important enough for Lucifer to grace us with his presence?
It looks like an invisible technology to me. Maybe the helicopter is there for a while and it just switches to visible mode.

Yukio is important to them. I won't be surprised if Lucifer is there too. Probably they didn't come faster because they have to wait Lucifer finishing some business.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #688 on: December 11, 2017, 01:44:45 PM »
I've got a theory based on the main trio/jailbreaks we've had so far.

When Rin is jailed in the IK arc, Shiemi is the one who breaks him out. When Yukio is jailed, Rin is the one who frees him. Will the cycle complete itself and Shiemi eventually gets locked up and Yukio springs her out?

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« Reply #689 on: December 11, 2017, 11:53:53 PM »
I don't think Yukio got so buddy-buddy with Shima at that time to the point of making some plans and contingencies. Otherwise he wouldn't have wrestled Shima to the ground.
So you think any additional dialogue is before Yukio's attack? I think it's likely to be after Yukio's attack. (And it matches Shima's description to Mephisto that Yukio attacked him when he started to speak.) Yukio could have some dialogue with Shima because he already controlled Shima, not a buddy-buddy dialogue ...
After huh? I was under the impression Yukio knocked Shima out with his wrestling move in the snow and therefore there wasn't any chance of dialogue after. Because we see Shima later laying in the snow all disoriented with swirls in his eyes saying he lost track of Okumura-sensei. I assumed he woke up later with Yukio long gone then made the call to Mephisto.
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not a buddy-buddy dialogue ...
that was sarcasm lol

Yukio also seemed a bit surprised when he saw the chopper, but not so surprised that he didn't expect they might be waiting in the wings for him (because he knows they want to recruit him bad). What I mean is, it's  not the just in time as we planned look implying that Yukio already gave them the thumbs-up.
Yukio could be surprised by the way the helicopter shows up.

There is some strange points in this chapter. Like he suddenly started to talk "You and I are so different."  I can understand what he means, but as Rin said it's too strange to talk about this at such place. Or he wants to argue with Rin. But why not directly start the juicy part "Shiro is a clone and we are created to be weapon."  Yukio's words before the helicopter shows up sounds kind of like to waste time waiting for something.
I didn't find Yukio's beginning talk with Rin strange at all considering all he's went through. In fact I enjoyed that he started with, 'Why am I always the one being saved', 'Why are nii-san and I so different', etc. It fits his thought process better. Stating these first to Rin shows us his main problems and why he comes to the later decision to go to Illuminati (when they come), rather than 'the Illuminati and the Order are no different' as his main reason for leaving.

We see Yukio follow along with Rin for a bit, then his steps slow and he drops the invisibility cloak. And I like that bit where Rin gives the cloak and tells Yukio the escape plans, and Yukio just stares down quietly at it...probably thinking how smoothly and flawlessly Rin is able to plan and save Yukio from discrimination of their heritage. It's in stark contrast to how everything Yukio did to 'protect his brother' in the first few arcs of the manga was all useless, because it was really Mephisto, Shura, and the exwires who climbed Rin out of the danger against him. So seeing how Rin handles it so easily when their situations are reversed is probably more salt on the wound.
This tells me Yukio was finding Rin saving him again so unbearable at that time, he would have chosen any other option..well other than being confined and poked at in the Order lol..I remember many of us were thinking Yukio would refuse to even leave the cell, so it was a little funny seeing him run out there with Rin right away. But yeah anyway, I think at that point on the bridge Yukio would have tried to leave Rin even without the chopper showing up, or he would follow Rin along on the escape grudgingly until they find lodging, and disappear into the night or something.


It looks like an invisible technology to me. Maybe the helicopter is there for a while and it just switches to visible mode.

Yukio is important to them. I won't be surprised if Lucifer is there too. Probably they didn't come faster because they have to wait Lucifer finishing some business.


Speaking of the helicopter, I noticed it teleported through a light power, and just appeared in the air. Does that mean Lucifer could be in the helicopter? Is this even important enough for Lucifer to grace us with his presence?

Looks like light power to me. We see all the light and how everyone's all squinting. Reminds me when Lucifer teleports in or one of his seraphim.

Anyway I hope Lucifer is there when shit hits the fan with Rin. But maybe Lucifer or one of his light-demon underlings can remotely teleport choppers?