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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #885 on: April 30, 2018, 12:35:47 AM »
Hi everyone! : ) I'm new to this forum, and in the first I try to write my theory (or guess) about future chapters. English is not my native language, so I apologize for the grammatical mistakes in words and sentences >.< This is my first experience in theories or guess, but I'll try:

It's possible that in the future we will have about the same scene with Rin and Yuri. I mean, Rin went to the past and (I don't know yet how this can happen) can meet his mother. It reminded me of one art from the tumblr:
https://crescenti-c.tumblr.com/post/171506306704/future-aoex-chapter-100-prediction-i-just-thought

After all, in this scene Izumo was given a key (as in chapter 63) and so she found her younger sister. To Rin, in fact also given a key(in the past, but anyway) and he too will find his mother. And maybe there will be a similar scene. Where Yuri stands with his back to Rin and then he takes off his hood and says: "Mom...?"

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #886 on: May 01, 2018, 11:19:22 PM »
So this is essentially a theory I posted a while ago, but I think it bears some relevance again because of chapter 99.5.

So, I theorized that Shiemi may be saved by Yukio from jail/ the Order due to her mother being branded the traitor and Shiemi as a result would be imprisoned/experimented on/executed.

Remember how Shura's emblem had a skull and the Latin phase, "She dies young."? Well, it was a hint as to what her future would hold. On Shiemi's emblem, there's a crown of thorns in the middle of it. I have the sinking feeling that that smiling doctor we see in this chapter may end up possibly experimenting on her or even crucifying her(if we take the meaning of the crown of thorns literally). Shiemi to me it seemed acted with her goodbye to Izumo like she was thankful for everything but that she was never going to see her again. If Yukio learned that Shiemi was going to die, I think that he'd definitely go to rescue her.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #887 on: May 02, 2018, 09:33:37 PM »
And when he finally manages to save her he'll get slapped over the face with Shiemi's "I have my eyes for your brother only". Well, he'll act like he always knew it would come down to this, but deep within  himself he'll be so sad and disappointed. Will Yukio ever get rid of his depression?
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #888 on: May 23, 2018, 04:56:15 PM »
So I have also decided to read all 99 and a half chapters from the beginning, I'm currently just finishing the Impure King arc. For chapters 1-11 I've been using the VIZ version as its physical copies and the rest scanlations. Anyways-

Something I noticed looking back at chapter 1, was the language Satan used to describe what happened to Yuri. His exact quote is-

"Everything I touch is soon corrupted! Just like this body... And just like your mother!"

What if Yuri didn't die, but somehow suffered something so horrid that resulted in an extreme personality change. I'm not entirely sure but I felt like the word "corrupted" could be very open-ended. If anyone can confirm that's what he said in the raw, that would be great. But yeah that's just my thoughts.

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« Reply #889 on: May 23, 2018, 07:24:25 PM »
I understand what you mean, but the point is that Satan really thought of her death, revealing to Rin that she suffered because of his constant influence of her. "Nothing in this world doesn't last as long as I get in contact with it, so I have to find a way to keep myself remain in it in order to conquer. That's the reason you exist, your body belongs to me."
By not directly telling him that he killed her could point to the fact that he blamed himself for her death but didn't hurt her. She died giving birth to the twins. Satan has done nothing wrong, but he actually did because he has created them. So that's the reason why her death is his fault, as well as everything else that he touches in this world.
Dunno what will happen with the manga in the following chapters. I guess that we'll get our answers soon.~
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #890 on: May 27, 2018, 04:57:20 PM »
So I have also decided to read all 99 and a half chapters from the beginning, I'm currently just finishing the Impure King arc. For chapters 1-11 I've been using the VIZ version as its physical copies and the rest scanlations. Anyways-

Something I noticed looking back at chapter 1, was the language Satan used to describe what happened to Yuri. His exact quote is-

"Everything I touch is soon corrupted! Just like this body... And just like your mother!"

What if Yuri didn't die, but somehow suffered something so horrid that resulted in an extreme personality change. I'm not entirely sure but I felt like the word "corrupted" could be very open-ended. If anyone can confirm that's what he said in the raw, that would be great. But yeah that's just my thoughts.
Satan says "オレと関わった物質はすぐ壊れやがる…!" "Ore to kakawatta busshitsu ha sugu koware yagaru...!"

オレ = Ore = manly way to say "I"
と = to = connection word
関わった = kakawatta = past tense of the verb "kakawaru", meaning "to have something to do with" / "to be in relation with" / "to be concerned with" / "to be involved with" / "to be linked to" / "to be affected by"
物質 = busshitsu = "matter" / "substance"
は = ha = subject marker
すぐ = sugu = "immediately" / "instantly" / "in no time" / "quickly" / "right away" / "soon after"
壊れ = koware = stem of the verb "kowareru", meaning "to break" / "to be destroyed"
やがる = yagaru = verb suffix meaning "go ahead/off and do something on-one's-own/without-permission/without-consultation/without-warning" + show the speaker is unhappy about it.

"The matter affected by me quickly go off and break without permission...!"
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #891 on: May 28, 2018, 02:46:02 PM »
@chinonamida Thank you so much for the translation. Reading the raw's translation, makes that line a lot more clear. Thank you.

@Kannra21 thank you as well for your explanation. I always love reading your interpretations.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #892 on: June 22, 2018, 11:23:38 AM »
I have a theory that the Order, in order to fight against all  the demons from the Gehenna Gate and the Illuminati, will try to awaken Shiemi's powers through means of pain and suffering. Remember how the Illuminati tried to get a hold of the Nine Tails power? They did it by subjecting Tamamo to pain worse than death.

Maybe that's where the memories that Shiemi doesn't remember come in. Maybe they already tried awakening her before, but something happened where they couldn't complete it so it left Shiemi sickly and timid and she couldn't remember anything since she was just a child. It was perhaps so traumatic that her mind blocked it out.

I really get the feeling that the those Grigori people/Order will disgust me in the future.


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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #893 on: September 18, 2018, 02:46:43 PM »
So Shiro promised something to Mephisto. In the next panel, Satan is crackling 'That body will be mine, because of the promise.'
...who wants to bet Shiro promised his firstborn?
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #894 on: September 19, 2018, 03:40:59 AM »
So Shiro promised something to Mephisto. In the next panel, Satan is crackling 'That body will be mine, because of the promise.'
...who wants to bet Shiro promised his firstborn?

Remember the first meeting with Amaimon? Mephisto and him were speaking in that construction zone? I think that was the promise mentioned. “Father has accepted your proposal.” Or something like that.

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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #895 on: November 17, 2018, 02:55:14 PM »
オレ = Ore = manly way to say "I"
と = to = connection word
関わった = kakawatta = past tense of the verb "kakawaru", meaning "to have something to do with" / "to be in relation with" / "to be concerned with" / "to be involved with" / "to be linked to" / "to be affected by"
物質 = busshitsu = "matter" / "substance"
は = ha = subject marker
すぐ = sugu = "immediately" / "instantly" / "in no time" / "quickly" / "right away" / "soon after"
壊れ = koware = stem of the verb "kowareru", meaning "to break" / "to be destroyed"
やがる = yagaru = verb suffix meaning "go ahead/off and do something on-one's-own/without-permission/without-consultation/without-warning" + show the speaker is unhappy about it.

"The matter affected by me quickly go off and break without permission...!"

After chapter 105, Satan's word seems quite incorrect. At least he could control which to burn when he possess Goro.

I'm considering if the sentence is more like a philosophical meaning than a physical one. Like Satan killed his pet

That is, perhaps Satan actually changed the topic and didn't mean that everything automatically destroyed by his flame. Maybe he was sad about everything is too weak when he wants to play with them, or he was sad about his own violent nature.

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« Reply #896 on: March 21, 2019, 03:03:18 AM »
^That's not impossible, but after recent chapters, we know Goro's body also ended up breaking at some point, so the chances that he really was referring to the things he possesses are great.


New theory: Shiemi's grandmother is actually her mother and Shiemi's mother is actually her sister. Because not only Shiemi's memories were wiped out, but she was also reverted to a child. The guy from the Shemihaza clan who I forgot the name and who pretended to know her and that she should know him if it weren't for her lost memories, that guy talked about her memories and past self as if it was really important, I don't think it's just some memories of when she was between 0 and 2 years old or so...
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Re: Crack theories
« Reply #897 on: March 21, 2019, 04:47:28 PM »
^That's not impossible, but after recent chapters, we know Goro's body also ended up breaking at some point, so the chances that he really was referring to the things he possesses are great.


New theory: Shiemi's grandmother is actually her mother and Shiemi's mother is actually her sister. Because not only Shiemi's memories were wiped out, but she was also reverted to a child. The guy from the Shemihaza clan who I forgot the name and who pretended to know her and that she should know him if it weren't for her lost memories, that guy talked about her memories and past self as if it was really important, I don't think it's just some memories of when she was between 0 and 2 years old or so...

Oh, that's an interesting theory. I was kinda thinking the same thing, except that those "memories" she lost were from the result of being experimented on, or some other traumatic experience. Her fear of people and her timidness is what I think gives that away. She either repressed them as a child, or a demon who can alter memories came and changed them.

As why her family would let that happen, I suspect that she has some sort of power that could make a more powerful elixir, or maybe they were threatened by someone if they didn't do it. But then something went terribly wrong and they needed to make sure she wouldn't remember it. Maybe that's why the Grigori guy (Jeremiah) said there was "no rush" to remember.

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« Reply #898 on: July 26, 2019, 07:20:09 PM »
Reviving an old thread!

I've been thinking about how this ceremony will play out for Shiemi and I have an idea/theory.
So, I think this ceremony will either be a way for her to retrieve her memories, or simply be affirmed as the heir to the Grigori by the original Shemihaza.

Blah, blah, incert bad thing happening and/or realization that causes her to lose control, push everyone out and take over the garden with her plants (or if it's really bad, the whole Vatican). Almost like when Satan took it over himself.

Living now in seclusion, her body starts to decay rapidly after releasing so much power, and is on the verge of death. I like to think of this as a parallel to chap 3, where she secludes herself after her grandmothers's death, and her health is in danger because of a plant demon.

The Order is scrambling to maintain a grip on the situation, but they are hopelessly deadlocked as they can't penetrate the wall of plants Shiemi has built up. With no way to reach her, the Order decides to just simply let her rot to her death, much to Izumo's and Suguro's protests.

Cue the Illuminati learning of the situation at the Vatican. Lucifer is intrigued by this development (either for research purposes or he has some connection to Shiemi), and he decides that he'll send Yukio to investigate, since he's known Shiemi the longest and still owes the Illuminati for an arm and shiny new guns. Yukio agrees, as he knew he'd have to pay them back, but mostly is concerned with Shiemi's well being. Rin also gets wind of this, and goes directly to save Shiemi.

Later, Rin reaches the wall of plants and decides to do what he did before in chap 3. Burn her garden so Shiemi comes out and he can reason with her. However, this doesn't work, as Shiemi can no longer move due to necrosis. She is also in a lot of pain and can't recongize that Rin is trying to help her, as her ability to reason is fading away. As Rin starts to burn down her plants, she goes on the offensive and yeets him with vines, knocking him unconscious and severely damaging his body.

Yukio finally makes it to the barrier and sees that Rin was injured by Shiemi's plants. He's shocked by this, as it was Rin who saved her the first time in chap 3 but this time Rin had failed. He sees this as very dangerous, but also an opportunity to save her from herself and to make up for what he did in chap 93.

I have other ideas, but for now I'll wait until we get more chapters. I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself!

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« Reply #899 on: July 27, 2019, 04:37:48 AM »
^Things are going down fast in that theory. Personally I wouldn't want them to go quite that fast. I want as much Ao No Exorcist as possible before the series end. X)

Also, not necessarily a good or a bad thing, but it feels like something you'd see in a video game. Fighting self-regenerating plants in an area covered with them, to get to the origin of it and return things to normal by saving the princess from her curse. I'd play that game. X)

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I very long while a go, I posted this. Sadly both the twitter post and that youtube video were taken down since. I should have taken screen-shots or at least I should have written down the Japanese lyrics so people can see for themselves. Now all I can do is hope people trust me enough to believe I wouldn't lie about this. Either way... You can still enjoy my theory.

I just saw Katou posted this on her twitter a while ago.
I don't really follow the OST. So I don't know much about it.
She says that song was originally written to be Shiemi's theme, and when she writes Shiemi's character she often listen to it.

Though I couldn't help but see there's some mistakes. (I know because of the Japanese translation below...)
On line 2, it should be "far from the fight(s)" not "far from the flight".
On line 3, it should be "Everyone are way ahead of me, they're leaving me behind" instead of "They freely pass me by" (...I guess she meant to say "easily" instead of "freely").
On line 15, it should be "I'm fine, so..." instead of "I'm so fine".
On line 16, it should be "under the stormy sky" instead of "under the bad weather".
On line 18, it should be "on the riverside" or "by the river" instead of "on the river".
On line 19, it should be "please, stay by my side" instead of "so dwell on my self".
On line 20, it should be "for now and forever, no matter what happens" instead of "all the time".

So if you look at the whole song with the corrections, it looks like this:

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In the middle of night
I was far from the fight

Everyone are way ahead of me
They're leaving me behind

Then I'm totally out of space and seeking my friends
Is there anyone who needs me?

I hear what you say
There's the tiniest hope
You can change yourself
If you want to

Then you find the door
We can walk from the past

I was a frog in a well

Smile like you've never done
I'm fine, so...

Then you hold me tight under the stormy sky

If you understand why
I was crying by the river
Please, stay by my side
For now and forever, no matter what happens

And you follow the light
I was far from the fight

Everyone are way ahead of me
They're leaving me behind

Then I'm totally out of space and seeking my friends
Is there anyone who needs me?

I hear what you say
There's the tiniest hope
You can change yourself
If you want to

Then you find the door
We can walk from the past

I was a frog in a well

Smile like you've never done
I'm fine, so...

Then you hold me tight under the stormy sky

If you understand why
I was crying by the river
Please, stay by my side
For now and forever, no matter what happens

There are lines that seems to refer to events that already happened, but there are other lines that doesn't seem to refer to anything that happened so far, and therefore we can conclude that they may refer to things that will happen in the future.

The first time I heard/read that song, one of the first things I thought about is "Who is 'you'?".

When I wrote the first post, it was around chapter 69, it was way before chapter 93 and 98.

Now here is my theory, if "you hold me tight under the stormy sky" refers to chapter 93 and "you follow the light" refers to chapter 98, then "you" is referring to Yukio.

Then this part:
"I hear what you say
There's the tiniest hope
You can change yourself
If you want to
Then you find the door
We can walk from the past"
It could mean Shiemi will be the one to convince Yukio to come back to their side.

Finally, this part:
"If you understand why
I was crying by the river
Please, stay by my side
For now and forever, no matter what happens"
From now on I'll be looking out for that river. X)
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