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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2020, 03:28:46 PM »
Hmmm ... I knew we won't have a conclusion of their conversation in one chapter ...

No idea why Lucifer insists to continue the experiment. Satan on the other hand doesn't seem to care the experiment that much.

Rin probably still doesn't know they are just next to Lucifer ... Poor Koneko instantly knows where he is but can't leave ...

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2020, 03:37:50 PM »
No idea why Lucifer insists to continue the experiment. Satan on the other hand doesn't seem to care the experiment that much.

To gain Satan's favour most likely. When Egyn points there is only enough elixir for one he insists on using it for Satan first.
I wonder why he is adamant on knowing Yukio's location. Chinonamida's translation seems to imply he wants Yukio shown where he belongs but this translation seems to imply he just wants his or Satan's location.

Also it is arrogant of Yukio to claim sole credit for destroying the illuminati when it is Lightning's familiars that are doing it.
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2020, 04:19:33 PM »
At this point, I just want someone, anyone, to beat some sense into Yukio's head, because he's getting on my nerves. Hopefully, Rin can get through to him, or Shiemi, if not through the collective effort of the Exwires as a whole. Rin even offered to take him to get the answers he wanted, and now he wants Rin to commit fratricide, because why, exactly? Just how far down the rabbit hole is this kid willing to go?

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2020, 04:58:15 PM »
We are being Blue Exorcist-Balled real bad, huh?

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2020, 09:38:28 PM »
I wonder why [Lucifer] is adamant on knowing Yukio's location. Chinonamida's translation seems to imply he wants Yukio shown where he belongs but this translation seems to imply he just wants his or Satan's location.
This is my bad.

I'm used to "居場所/ibasho" meaning "place where one belongs" and "行方/yukue" meaning "whereabouts".
But "居場所/ibasho" can also sometimes mean "whereabouts".

Lucifer said:

見つけてください
見つけて=find
ください=please

居場所さえ判ればいい
居場所=whereabouts (or) place where one belongs
さえ=only
判れ=understand (or) know (or) see (or) find (or) tell (or) recognize ...
ば=if
いい=good

So: "Please find X" "It's good if-only/as-long-as X understand X's 居場所".

Reading and translating fast, I assumed Yukio was all the Xs in the two sentences, but he's not.
Yukio is the X in the first sentence. And Homare and/or Lucifer and/or the Illuminati as a group is the first X in the second sentence and Yukio is the second X in the second sentence.

Looking back at it, saying "Please find him" "It's good as long as we understand his whereabouts" makes perfect sense.

But like I said, I'm more used to hear "居場所/ibasho" in the sense of "place where one belongs". So, I misunderstood.

now [Yukio] wants Rin to commit fratricide, because why, exactly?
So now Yukio has gone from " I will be stronger than my brother" to "I want my brother to kill me so I won't be used by the order or the illuminati". His continued angst is now starting to feel annoying (unless Yukio is trying to trick his brother into nearly kill him to scare off Satan from his eyes) .
Yeah. Like xyzt said. That's what I think too.

Yukio thought to himself "After this, all that’s left is to…" followed by the memory of Shirou explaining "If you ever get possessed or parasitized by a demon, a "shock treatment" can be effective to get rid of it. If you hurt your body with enough force to make you think you might die, the demon won’t bear it and escape."
Then, when Yukio spoke with Rin, he said...
Yukio: Now, if I could die, it would be perfect.
Rin: … Die?
Yukio: My left eye is parasitized by Satan. He’s looking at Assiah through this eye.
Yukio: It seems Lucifer intends to use me in Satan’s revival somehow.
Yukio: As if I’m going to let myself be used.
Rin: !! What are you doing…?
Yukio: !??
Yukio: I told you, I’m parasitized by Satan.
Yukio: But he’s protecting his host.
Yukio: So, even if I want to die, I can’t die.
Yukio: Nii-san, you’re Satan’s illegitimate child, if it’s you, maybe you can kill me.
Yukio: Before I get used by a demon, do me a favor and kill me.
Yukio: Aaah.
Yukio: That’s right. Nii-san said he won’t fight with his little brother.
Yukio: Then, you’re just getting in my way.
Yukio: So, get out of here now.
Rin: … So that’s how it is.
Rin: I understand.
Rin: You don’t like to be made light of.
Yukio: … … … Ah?
Yukio: Did you listen to anything I said?
Yukio: I explained at great length- AH?
*Rin punches Yukio*
Rin: Oh shit. I’m stronger than before.
Rin: Yukiooooo!
Yukio: *cough*
Yukio: You never listen, do you?
Yukio: To what people tells you.
Rin: So, it seems like it’s true that Satan is protecting you!
Rin: Thank god.
Rin: … To me,
Rin: you were always the little brother with a weak body that I needed to protect.
Rin: But,
Rin: If you don’t like to be made light of, it can’t be helped.
Yukio: He’s not listening at all.

I think Yukio thought Rin would remember the "shock treatment" from his lessons and help with that. But he doesn't understand. So when Yukio is telling Rin he's not listening, he's not only asking him to listen, but also to read between the lines.
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2020, 03:56:04 AM »
No idea why Lucifer insists to continue the experiment. Satan on the other hand doesn't seem to care the experiment that much.

To gain Satan's favour most likely. When Egyn points there is only enough elixir for one he insists on using it for Satan first.
Yes, but doesn't he remember he just had a confrontation with Satan because of Yukio ... ? Satan seems cared more about maintaining his "window" than finishing the experiment. Or Lucifer might be like " Father is angry at me so I must provide him something ", but I can't feel this kind of emotion in his words.

Also it is arrogant of Yukio to claim sole credit for destroying the illuminati when it is Lightning's familiars that are doing it.
I bet not only the readers know that, but Yukio also knows too, giving how smart he is. That kind of childish words indicate Yukio doesn't want to hide any feeling and just wants to say whatever he likes. Ironically, he should also know Rin won't even care whether Yukio is better than the Order or not, so the comparison is entirely pointless from the start ...

At this point, I just want someone, anyone, to beat some sense into Yukio's head, because he's getting on my nerves. Hopefully, Rin can get through to him, or Shiemi, if not through the collective effort of the Exwires as a whole.
Speaking of Shiemi, I wonder if there's any chance either of them mentions Shiemi in the subsequent conversation. Though I'm not sure if it will be a good direction to mention her now.

I wonder why [Lucifer] is adamant on knowing Yukio's location. Chinonamida's translation seems to imply he wants Yukio shown where he belongs but this translation seems to imply he just wants his or Satan's location.
This is my bad.

I'm used to "居場所/ibasho" meaning "place where one belongs" and "行方/yukue" meaning "whereabouts".
But "居場所/ibasho" can also sometimes mean "whereabouts".

Lucifer said:

見つけてください
見つけて=find
ください=please

居場所さえ判ればいい
居場所=whereabouts (or) place where one belongs
さえ=only
判れ=understand (or) know (or) see (or) find (or) tell (or) recognize ...
ば=if
いい=good

So: "Please find X" "It's good if-only/as-long-as X understand X's 居場所".
I feel there's some unknown hidden meaning in Lucifer's final command. Recently we are just sure that Homare doesn't just 100% obeys Lucifer's command without her own judgement, and this chapter she keeps reminding Lucifer to escape. But in the end she seems instantly fully understand Lucifer's somewhat strange conclusion "Only need to know where Yukio is" .

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2020, 05:48:02 AM »
-Vayu and Indra are living it up out there smashing this ship to smithereens.
-"Oh you're firing back? That's adorable." LEGEND
-guys seriously just like, hit the propellers or something, why is this thing still in the air

-meanwhile in the sick bay, Lucifer thanks Homare for stopping him from making a bad decision, and then immediately makes another bad decision.
-"We need to continue the elixir experiment" Lucifer. Buddy. Look. Dude. Look.
-I know I don't have a TON of room to talk when I stayed in lab past 9:30 pm cramming in every experiment I could the night before my city's COVID lockdown started
-but maybe a rapidly crashing aircraft isn't the best place and time for more science
-He authorizes using the...Seraphim Pulse? Which sounds like a weapon but I have no idea what that is or why it might help
-Also he wants to know where Yukio is. Doesn't need him brought anywhere, just wants to know.
-Are you gonna...I dunno, try killing him with your mind again? It didn't work the first time? Need to talk to Satan maybe? who knows

-KONEKOMARU DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR ANY OF THIS
-poor kid
-"get into the drawer" he said. "it'll take you to Rin" he said.
-STUCK ON A DAMAGED ILLUMINATI SHIP WITH HALF A SWORD AND NO ILLUMINATI UNIFORM
-he just...he just wanted to deliver a sword, man. He just wanted to do a quick favor for a friend.
-at least the Illuminati grunt who found him happens to be Shima
-"hey if you're not too busy aiding the enemy could you help me find Rin?" SAVAGE
-also love that Shima's response is that yes, he IS too busy helping the enemy find Yukio
-but hey, they both need to get to the same place
-So off they go, each assigned to their own disaster twin

-Yukio's like welp, that went well, let's just pop this pesky eye out and it's done
-Gotta say I am impressed with the level of balls it takes to taunt Satan like that
-But this little gouging session gets put on hold by RIN

-awwwwwwwww his precious happy crying FACE
-"IT'S BEEN SO LONG I MISSED YOU SO MUCH" "it hasn't even been five days" "WHAT" Me too, Rin, me too
-it may have been less than a week but my god these kids have had a CRAZY WEEK
-like this even blows MY week out of the water and that's SAYING SOMETHING this week
-I just love how they both have to do the "there's no time to explain get in the car" elevator pitch of how their week went
-just..."I WENT TO THE PAST AND SAW ALL THE SECRETS YOU WANTED CMON YOU SHOULD COME SEE AND THEN PLEASE DON'T JOIN THE ILLUMINATI" "nah I don't care anymore and I didn't join the illuminati I am literally right now blowing up their ship and then killing myself" "WHAT"

-Yukio is TIRED of being used by all these demons and wants out : (
-Yukio maybe we should do something about all your depression- "Could a depressed person do THIS?" *attempts to gouge his eye out with rebar but gets stopped by a blast of hellfire from Satan*
-So the Yukio killing himself plan is out, and the Yukio getting killed by Rin plan is in! He just has to get Rin on board, lol
-Rin, meanwhile, has processed exactly one sentence of everything Yukio has said so far, namely an offhand comment complaining about being underestimated, and he's like, okay no more underestimating you then
-FALCON PUNCH!!
-omg Rin's face as he realizes he just accidentally punched his brother through like a dozen very large solid objects
-But, again, Satan. So.

-You know, I never used to think they'd really go all out against each other, but I also never expected the battle lines to get drawn around "I'm gonna bring you back alive" vs "You're gonna bring me back dead and that's FINAL" and that actually makes a lot of sense as a thing for them to fight over.
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2020, 07:55:10 AM »
-FALCON PUNCH!!
-omg Rin's face as he realizes he just accidentally punched his brother through like a dozen very large solid objects
-But, again, Satan. So.
almost forget Satan is around. So he just quietly watches them fight and helps clean the mess. Is it because  a)  the conversation is too mortal for a demon god to participate,  b)  nobody can interrupt between the infamous Okumura brothers fight, or  c)  he's just like a father (?)

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2020, 11:22:58 AM »
I feel there's some unknown hidden meaning in Lucifer's final command. Recently we are just sure that Homare doesn't just 100% obeys Lucifer's command without her own judgement, and this chapter she keeps reminding Lucifer to escape. But in the end she seems instantly fully understand Lucifer's somewhat strange conclusion "Only need to know where Yukio is" .
-He authorizes using the...Seraphim Pulse? Which sounds like a weapon but I have no idea what that is or why it might help
-Also he wants to know where Yukio is. Doesn't need him brought anywhere, just wants to know.
-Are you gonna...I dunno, try killing him with your mind again? It didn't work the first time? Need to talk to Satan maybe? who knows
Maybe Lucifer wants to use the Seraphim Pulse on him? Even though I don't know what it is.

It's not clear whether he's saying "You just need to find out his whereabouts (then you tell me and I will do something about him)." or "I/We just need to know his whereabouts (for now, and when the time comes when we'll really need him, at least, we'll know where he is)." In the first case, then Homare just needs to find him and immediately report back to Lucifer. In the second case, Homare will need to tail Yukio, because Yukio's whereabouts are definitely going to keep changing as he is trying to escape from both the Order and the Illuminati (that is, if he doesn't get killed on that ship, but I doubt it).

Also, it's important not to forget that "さえ(すれ)ばいい" doesn't mean "just/only do that and don't do anything else", it means "at the bare minimum, you have to do that, but if you can do more, do it".
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2020, 12:54:37 PM »
I get the feeling(I guess just from the naming) that the Seraphim Pulse might be like a Demon-EMP? Like exorcises everything in a mile radius or something. Obviously not something you want to have to use.

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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2020, 04:07:52 PM »
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Interesting point, Gem-Bug. A demon EMP is a possibility. Especially if they are using it to kill or disable Vayu and Indra so they can restart the "What's Egyn Grilling" furnace. Would explain why Homare wants Lucifer to leave before detonating it. Likely it could seriously hurt Lucifer and Rin, but not kill them.

I have a hard time seeing why Lucifer would want to know where Yukio is for that, though. Maybe the EMP would knock Satan out of Yukio long enough to kill Yukio? Nothing like petty revenge.

I really enjoyed this chapter. It felt short, but I always thoroughly enjoy Yukio being an arrogant bastard. I feel like his desire to off himself is understandable. He's trapped. Even if he leaves with Rin, Yukio will always be a target of the Illuminati. Plus, Satan's unpredictable and might decide to randomly use Yukio to kill people.

Rin even offered to take him to get the answers he wanted, and now he wants Rin to commit fratricide, because why, exactly?

Yukio explicitly says why. As long as he lives, Lucifer will chase after him to have his personal walkie-talkie to Satan, to say nothing about the Order. Eventually he'll get caught and be used to resurrect a mass-murderer. So the solution is to either depend on others for protection and accept his weakness... or seek every way to kill himself. It's the final "fuck you" to his enemies.

This is also pure rationalization to justify committing suicide, which he wants to do because he hates himself that much. He has attempted... fuck, five times now I think. He thinks everyone would be better off without him existing.

If you find this annoying, I think that's kinda the point. Suicidal depressed people in media are often only represented as sad broken birds who just need someone to hug them. That's just not the case. There's quite a number of suicidal depressed people who are complete total assholes in their effort to distance people and make others think they're not worth saving.
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2020, 05:07:42 PM »
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Rin even offered to take him to get the answers he wanted, and now he wants Rin to commit fratricide, because why, exactly?

Yukio explicitly says why. As long as he lives, Lucifer will chase after him to have his personal walkie-talkie to Satan, to say nothing about the Order. Eventually he'll get caught and be used to resurrect a mass-murderer. So the solution is to either depend on others for protection and accept his weakness... or seek every way to kill himself. It's the final "fuck you" to his enemies.

This is also pure rationalization to justify committing suicide, which he wants to do because he hates himself that much. He has attempted... fuck, five times now I think. He thinks everyone would be better off without him existing.

If you find this annoying, I think that's kinda the point. Suicidal depressed people in media are often only represented as sad broken birds who just need someone to hug them. That's just not the case. There's quite a number of suicidal depressed people who are complete total assholes in their effort to distance people and make others think they're not worth saving.
This is what I would think too, if it wasn't for the flashback with Shirou explaining the "Shock Treatment".

The best lies are the ones that are half true. I guess a part of Yukio really wants to die, but another part still wants to give it a shot. That's also true of suicidal people in real life.

EDIT:
I just checked the official translation. It says “suffer enough physical pain to cause death”. I think it’s mistranslated (yet again).

It said:

肉体に死ぬほどの激痛を与える

肉体=body (or) flesh
に=to
死ぬ=die
ほど=about (or) or so (or) more or less (or) the more (or) the less (or) compared to (or) enough to (or) such as it might/could/would/should (or) so much that it might/could/would/should (or) so little that it might/could/would/should (or) to the extent that it might/could/would/should
の= *connection word*
激痛=extreme pain
を= *object marker*
与える=give (or) reward (or) inflict

So: “inflict to (your) body such extreme pain that (you) might die”.

In other words, it’s not certain that the person will die, but the person risks dying.

Of course, the best outcome is if the person does not die in the end, while the demon fled the body.

To say you need to “suffer enough physical pain to cause death” sounds like dying is an unavoidable part of the process. Which is not, from what I understand.
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Re: Chapter 121 ENG
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2020, 07:45:33 PM »
I really hope that's the case @earthforge. ;_; I mean, I've never been suicidal, so I can't pretend to know what goes through a person's head, but I have been depressed (and I'm learning to be more grateful to counteract those negative feelings). Maybe that's why I'm having a hard time understanding Yukio's logic. I really hope a part of Yukio just wants Rin to drive Satan away and not actually kill him, because he has so much going for himself, and people who love him and he deserves to live as much as the next person. I wish Rin was smart enough to read between the lines, but then he wouldn't be Rin if he didn't.

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2020, 03:19:00 AM »
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