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Chapter 119 ENG
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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2020, 05:28:00 PM »
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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
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Regarding Toudou, I guess the author means he killed most of his family (apparently they didn't die in Satan's fire). I wonder if he could easily do that because he had gained special power (most likely from Lucifer) and he thought he could pass the power to his daughter?

At the end of chapter I guess Drac killed many colleagues. I wonder why he had to do that.

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 12:25:38 AM »
Regarding Toudou, I guess the author means he killed most of his family (apparently they didn't die in Satan's fire). I wonder if he could easily do that because he had gained special power (most likely from Lucifer) and he thought he could pass the power to his daughter?

At the end of chapter I guess Drac killed many colleagues. I wonder why he had to do that.

Was it Drac? I was confused because it looked like they were killed by plants/vine. Maybe the Shiemihaza group eliminating witnesses?

What a fantastic chapter, though. Great seeing Gehenna and the Baal's abstract forms(I guess at that time in the story Samael was the only one currently with a body?). I still believe Samael is just trolling everybody, everywhere.

We finally see Beezebub and they're just like "Gahh, that's bright and I have a hundred eyes that can't blink" <3
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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 03:25:54 AM »
So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2020, 04:44:49 AM »
So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?

Azazel, Arumahel, and Sheimihaza should all be crystallized in Asiah at that point in time, so I can't place that person. Satan, plus 7/8 Baal, plus mystery person. If it was Yuri, I feel Satan would be flipping out again.

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2020, 10:31:42 AM »
So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?

Azazel, Arumahel, and Sheimihaza should all be crystallized in Asiah at that point in time, so I can't place that person. Satan, plus 7/8 Baal, plus mystery person. If it was Yuri, I feel Satan would be flipping out again.

I like how she tailored their speech bubbles to their identity/concepts. Samael is a time piece/watch. Took me a second to realize the trend there. Though I can’t say for certain if it’s Yuri... Sure looks like her, and I would think Satan is too distracted by the two “competing” brothers promising him a body to care if Yuri is watching.  ??? I wonder if this means we’ll see a spirit Shiro in the future like Yuri’s spirit.

Also, on another note, Sammy admits that Satan’s children are half-demons, but Egyn claims that Yukio is just a human with some bonuses...soooooooo who’s right?

Still, thank god the twins are cuter in their bear outfits, and I like Shiro with a pacifier and a rattle.  ;D

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2020, 04:07:16 PM »
Regarding Toudou, I guess the author means he killed most of his family (apparently they didn't die in Satan's fire). I wonder if he could easily do that because he had gained special power (most likely from Lucifer) and he thought he could pass the power to his daughter?

At the end of chapter I guess Drac killed many colleagues. I wonder why he had to do that.

Was it Drac? I was confused because it looked like they were killed by plants/vine. Maybe the Shiemihaza group eliminating witnesses?
Yes, after reviewing this chapter I found that Drac actually appears in two places : one is before the meeting of Shiro and Mephisto and another is at the end of the chapter. In his first appearance, his colleagues died in Satan's flame, so that was immediately at blue night in section 13. At chapter end, people seems killed by someone with plant power (maybe Jeremiah), who should be the one helped Drac restarting the experiment.

(I guess at that time in the story Samael was the only one currently with a body?).
The other 3 anti-human demon kings all have body in chapter 107 ...... I think they can appear as elemental form even if they already possess a body?

We finally see Beezebub and he's just like "Gahh, that's bright and I have a hundred eyes that can't blink" <3
Still possible a "she" .

So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?

Azazel, Arumahel, and Sheimihaza should all be crystallized in Asiah at that point in time, so I can't place that person. Satan, plus 7/8 Baal, plus mystery person. If it was Yuri, I feel Satan would be flipping out again.

I like how she tailored their speech bubbles to their identity/concepts. Samael is a time piece/watch. Took me a second to realize the trend there. Though I can’t say for certain if it’s Yuri... Sure looks like her, and I would think Satan is too distracted by the two “competing” brothers promising him a body to care if Yuri is watching
Maybe there are more characters who can talk at that place ... ? Theoretically every demon was from Gehenna

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2020, 10:30:07 PM »
So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?
Azazel, Arumahel, and Sheimihaza should all be crystallized in Asiah at that point in time, so I can't place that person. Satan, plus 7/8 Baal, plus mystery person. If it was Yuri, I feel Satan would be flipping out again.
I like how she tailored their speech bubbles to their identity/concepts. Samael is a time piece/watch. Took me a second to realize the trend there. Though I can’t say for certain if it’s Yuri... Sure looks like her, and I would think Satan is too distracted by the two “competing” brothers promising him a body to care if Yuri is watching.  ??? I wonder if this means we’ll see a spirit Shiro in the future like Yuri’s spirit.
I noticed the shapes of the speech bubbles too. But, am I the only one who thinks the shape of the speech bubble of the mystery person looks like plants? Maybe it's Nephilim.

Also, on another note, Sammy admits that Satan’s children are half-demons, but Egyn claims that Yukio is just a human with some bonuses...soooooooo who’s right?
Sorry to get your hopes down. But it's a common mistranslation. There is no distinction between singular and plural nouns in japanese. The translator here decided to translate it plural. But it could have also been translated in singular; that's what I would have done.

Regarding Toudou, I guess the author means he killed most of his family (apparently they didn't die in Satan's fire). I wonder if he could easily do that because he had gained special power (most likely from Lucifer) and he thought he could pass the power to his daughter?

At the end of chapter I guess Drac killed many colleagues. I wonder why he had to do that.
Was it Drac? I was confused because it looked like they were killed by plants/vine. Maybe the Shiemihaza group eliminating witnesses?
Yes, after reviewing this chapter I found that Drac actually appears in two places : one is before the meeting of Shiro and Mephisto and another is at the end of the chapter. In his first appearance, his colleagues died in Satan's flame, so that was immediately at blue night in section 13. At chapter end, people seems killed by someone with plant power (maybe Jeremiah), who should be the one helped Drac restarting the experiment.
Or maybe Drac's new body from the neck down was the body of a descendant of Shemihaza, giving him Shemihaza's powers...?
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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 12:18:32 PM »
I noticed the shapes of the speech bubbles too. But, am I the only one who thinks the shape of the speech bubble of the mystery person looks like plants? Maybe it's Nephilim.
Considering the implication if she's able to join the Gehenna meeting, I think it means she's with Mephisto plan the whole time. We haven't get an explicit answer about why Shiro could be the Paladin after betraying the Order, but it would make sense if from the start the higher-up agreed and participated this arrangement (Shiro raising a powerful weapon for future need + telling Satan there will be a potential vessel to postpone his action).

Or maybe Drac's new body from the neck down was the body of a descendant of Shemihaza, giving him Shemihaza's powers...?
We haven't seen Drac's fighting style yet, so that's possible ...

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2020, 02:00:32 PM »
But doesnt Shemihaza's nephilim state that she was going to resign from the Grigori. So she is no longer part of the grigori. Also does that mean Armumahael and Azazel's nephilim can also enter baal? Wonder why they were not in the meeting with Satan where the rest of the baal and Shemihaza's nephilim were.

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2020, 02:43:01 PM »
But doesnt Shemihaza's nephilim state that she was going to resign from the Grigori. So she is no longer part of the grigori. Also does that mean Armumahael and Azazel's nephilim can also enter baal? Wonder why they were not in the meeting with Satan where the rest of the baal and Shemihaza's nephilim were.
In this theory, Shemihaza probably agreed and assigned Shiro as the new Paladin (and made the deal of making Rin a potential weapon) before resignation. It actually makes more sense than resigning when everything was still a chaos and let the new Grigori determine the new Paladin. In this case, the new Shemihaza may or may not know this arrangement. We have almost zero information about the other two Grigori so nothing can be said to them yet. (The Azazel representative probably doesn't really have the authority to make decision, then the remaining question is how the Shemihaza department interact with Armumahel department.)

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2020, 06:07:52 PM »
Considering the implication if she's able to join the Gehenna meeting, I think it means she's with Mephisto plan the whole time.
We already saw her sit on the same side of the table as Amaimon and Belzebub in chapter 86. So it's safe to say she was on Mephisto's side this whole time.

Also does that mean Armumahael and Azazel's nephilim can also enter baal? Wonder why they were not in the meeting with Satan where the rest of the baal and Shemihaza's nephilim were.
We have almost zero information about the other two Grigori so nothing can be said to them yet. (The Azazel representative probably doesn't really have the authority to make decision, then the remaining question is how the Shemihaza department interact with Armumahel department.)
I don't know or remember about the representative of Armumael, but concerning Azazel's representative, if I remember correctly, he's not Azazel's descendant and, as far as we know, he's not even the descendant of any other demon, so he may very well be 100% human. I don't know if humans can go to Gehena, but I guess it's not a place where he wants to be...

I just realised... Maybe Shirou isn't dead. He stabbed himself in the heart, but now we know he can survive that. And then he was taken by the Gehena gate, but now we know it's a place where people can live and have at least some sort of form in space and time...

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Re: Chapter 119 ENG
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2020, 03:22:03 AM »
Regarding Toudou, I guess the author means he killed most of his family (apparently they didn't die in Satan's fire). I wonder if he could easily do that because he had gained special power (most likely from Lucifer) and he thought he could pass the power to his daughter?

At the end of chapter I guess Drac killed many colleagues. I wonder why he had to do that.

Was it Drac? I was confused because it looked like they were killed by plants/vine. Maybe the Shiemihaza group eliminating witnesses?
Yes, after reviewing this chapter I found that Drac actually appears in two places : one is before the meeting of Shiro and Mephisto and another is at the end of the chapter. In his first appearance, his colleagues died in Satan's flame, so that was immediately at blue night in section 13. At chapter end, people seems killed by someone with plant power (maybe Jeremiah), who should be the one helped Drac restarting the experiment.

(I guess at that time in the story Samael was the only one currently with a body?).
The other 3 anti-human demon kings all have body in chapter 107 ...... I think they can appear as elemental form even if they already possess a body?

We finally see Beezebub and he's just like "Gahh, that's bright and I have a hundred eyes that can't blink" <3
Still possible a "she" .

So i just noticed but is the human like figure besides samael in Gehenna supposed to be Azazel or Yuri's spirit reformed?

Azazel, Arumahel, and Sheimihaza should all be crystallized in Asiah at that point in time, so I can't place that person. Satan, plus 7/8 Baal, plus mystery person. If it was Yuri, I feel Satan would be flipping out again.

I like how she tailored their speech bubbles to their identity/concepts. Samael is a time piece/watch. Took me a second to realize the trend there. Though I can’t say for certain if it’s Yuri... Sure looks like her, and I would think Satan is too distracted by the two “competing” brothers promising him a body to care if Yuri is watching
Maybe there are more characters who can talk at that place ... ? Theoretically every demon was from Gehenna

Ah, yes, I'm forgetting things that happened a bit ago. And went and changed it to a proper "They" ;)

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