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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2018, 04:31:58 AM »
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As I said, I don't know, could it be possible that Mephisto gave such a freedom to Rin? To change the past as he likes? Than what would've Mephisto been working that hard to make things go the way they did for if Rin could just screw all that in a sec?

I think it'd be pretty stupid, not just for Mephisto but for ANYONE who has known Rin for more than about two minutes, to send him back in time unsupervised if there was ANY POSSIBILITY that he could change ANYTHING. Mephisto doesn't seem in the mood to deal with Rin accidentally preventing his own birth or whatever. And Rin would. Rin might do that on purpose depending on how things went down.

Also I was looking at the raws again and I noticed that one of the people on the #howtofightdemons tag on twitter is saying "Hit them with a Bible!" and I think that's just the greatest thing.
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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2018, 05:17:24 AM »
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As I said, I don't know, could it be possible that Mephisto gave such a freedom to Rin? To change the past as he likes? Than what would've Mephisto been working that hard to make things go the way they did for if Rin could just screw all that in a sec?

I think it'd be pretty stupid, not just for Mephisto but for ANYONE who has known Rin for more than about two minutes, to send him back in time unsupervised if there was ANY POSSIBILITY that he could change ANYTHING. Mephisto doesn't seem in the mood to deal with Rin accidentally preventing his own birth or whatever. And Rin would. Rin might do that on purpose depending on how things went down.

Yeah, you're right. Giving Rin the power to change the past is like handing a lightning rod to a toddler.

Augh, but why does Rin have to be in-disguise... Does Mephisto just like playing dress-up?

Also I was looking at the raws again and I noticed that one of the people on the #howtofightdemons tag on twitter is saying "Hit them with a Bible!" and I think that's just the greatest thing.

Let's be honest. If there really was an invasion of demons, this video would be spammed all day on Twitter.
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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2018, 06:58:59 AM »

Also I was looking at the raws again and I noticed that one of the people on the #howtofightdemons tag on twitter is saying "Hit them with a Bible!" and I think that's just the greatest thing.

Let's be honest. If there really was an invasion of demons, this video would be spammed all day on Twitter.

And this  xD


Maybe it’s a stupid question, but why Rin has now 2 keys? One is the vanishing key, but the other ?


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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2018, 08:04:23 AM »

Also I was looking at the raws again and I noticed that one of the people on the #howtofightdemons tag on twitter is saying "Hit them with a Bible!" and I think that's just the greatest thing.

Let's be honest. If there really was an invasion of demons, this video would be spammed all day on Twitter.

And this  xD


Maybe it’s a stupid question, but why Rin has now 2 keys? One is the vanishing key, but the other ?



Cram school key I think.

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2018, 10:16:19 AM »
*dies laughing* Ah, this is great! Of course, Mephisto is the King of Time and I never anticipated time travel.
Kato is going full Samurai Jack on us and it's glorious
All the talk about the reset button gave me serious Evillious Chronicles vibes... What's next, Rin and Yukio are Irregular twins and have to perform a Re_Birthday to save the world? Wait they ARE Irregular, born from an impossible pregnancy...
With the new key, I can already see the fanfics popping up
Bye bye, butterfly.

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2018, 05:08:25 PM »
Man, I'm still trying to digest how the Kamikakushi key works and how it might affect the plot. Bliss was right, it's turning out to be hella important. Ow, my brain...

I'm relieved this chapter had Mephisto say why he helps Rin and not Yukio. My explanation was wrong but I definitely prefer how Katou explained things.

Cool that Mephisto refers to both twins by their humanity in this chapter. Rin averted his eyes from the reality of the past. So Rin must confront that reality directly and see things as they were. This makes sense, as Rin has been a strong believer of living in the moment. He relied on others to handle information about the past that he didn't want to think about.

Even now, Rin says he would prefer letting Yukio learn about it. I guess that's part of how he thought they were always a team: he could be the fast-reaction brute force guy, while Yukio could be the thinking precise action guy. But that reliance allowed him to get away with not facing things that were difficult for him. It's like letting your sibling do all your math homework while you do all your sibling's history homework. Seems to work at first but in the end weakens you both.

The situation is forcing Rin to address his weakness and grow as a person. However, Rin hasn't recognized that he must do this for himself, not for Yukio. If Rin keeps charging in with the intent to sacrifice himself to save Yukio, he will fail every time.

Rin has to become a complete person. As he is now, he is literally split between human and demon hearts. We don't know how real the split is. Are they truly separate souls? Or are they separate because Rin does not accept his own self?
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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2018, 05:30:10 PM »
So ...first of all, I’m impressed by the idea of traveling to the past as a way to show the secret ( unexpected but very nice move, Kato-sensei). In my opinion, so-called „oral message” from Mephisto, don’t supported with any visual images would not fulfill its function, it would be too ... barren?; I do not know exactly how to determine it. Also the idea of going to any place/dimension that the owner of Master Key would choose is extremely interesting and dangerous solution so at the same time I'm full of black scenarios and bad feelings that for nothing in the world don’t want to leave my thoughts (because positive thinking is too mainstream).
Generally speaking (on the one hand) this chapter made me feel really sad especially because of the dialogue between Rin and Mephisto ( big thanks to chino and facets for your translations and additional thank you for chino for getting rid of my worries about Mephisto with that „senbetsu” explanation, seriously it was a huge relief) and the part referring to Yukio and his desire to know about theri birth…it hurts. Also seeing Takara trying to contact Rin and terrified Tsukumo in her „mother's „ arms hit me quite strong, not to mention Shiemi and ,, Yuki-chan, he is not here anymore…right?” (T.T).
But I think that this chapter is the perfect silence before the storm which will be chapter 100. It is true that I had somewhere in the back of my head that, despite everything, we will receive at least a small part of explanations or some kind of introduction, for example, a shot from which basic explanations will begin, but nevertheless I more definitely expected that nothing like that will happen, so I’m not surprised. I'm not disappointed either – Rin looks more than awesome in Exorcist uniform, seeing Mephisto, I asked the same question again : damn Mephy why are you so hot? (especially the last two pages before the half-black one with the title of the chapter), Shura is back, Shiemi seems to be alright without any serious injuries and of course I'm soo glad that I could see Angel again. And…WTF Lightning?!

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2018, 06:51:21 PM »
Ahehehehehe, friggin' Bogeyman: "H-h-h-hey kid, wanna play t-t-t-tag???"  ;D

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2018, 11:57:38 PM »
What is happening Lightning's Hair? He looks like chewbacca.

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2018, 01:40:50 AM »
^It seems that Angel had ordered him to cut off his hair because no one should have such a fabulous hair like himself! Jelly Angel!!XD
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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2018, 03:18:46 AM »
Am I the only one who is pretty nervous about sending rin who still might not be completely stable from going beserk back to the past? Am I the only one getting blue knight vibes here? What if something happens and run ends up being the one who caused it not Satan? What a twist that would be especially to the rest of the students. Don't think tht will be likely to happen but the possibility is there

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2018, 05:31:08 AM »
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As I said, I don't know, could it be possible that Mephisto gave such a freedom to Rin? To change the past as he likes? Than what would've Mephisto been working that hard to make things go the way they did for if Rin could just screw all that in a sec?

I think it'd be pretty stupid, not just for Mephisto but for ANYONE who has known Rin for more than about two minutes, to send him back in time unsupervised if there was ANY POSSIBILITY that he could change ANYTHING. Mephisto doesn't seem in the mood to deal with Rin accidentally preventing his own birth or whatever. And Rin would. Rin might do that on purpose depending on how things went down.

Yeah, you're right. Giving Rin the power to change the past is like handing a lightning rod to a toddler.
-Mephisto is like here have some sweet new clothes for your trip, it's like a camouflage poncho only cooler
-I assume that Rin either won't be able to interact with the past because he's camouflaged, or maybe it's just like an offshoot timeline that can't affect the present, I just kinda get the sense that he'll only be able to look and not alter anything.

I don't know, if Rin won't be able to interact with the past, why give him a poncho to hide himself? The impression I got is that he COULD interact with people if he WANTED to but Mephisto left the choice to Rin. Wonder if he's gonna make the correct ones. But if Mephisto didn't tell him nothing, I guess he trusts Rin will.

Also, I think this adds to the theory that Mephisto has been planning all the happenings so far using his time powers. What if he could do that and did it all the time so far? He traveled back to the past, saw what happened and in the present timeline changed/set things around to have some events happen the way he wanted.
If Rin tries to prevent his own birth, despite it contradicts his determination to face truth in chapter 98 and it will also prevent Yukio's birth, it's essentially a variation of the grandfather paradox. There are some explanations of this paradox, and I prefer to think whatever time travelers do they just can't change history.

I actually think that's what Mephisto wants to show Rin. Like you said, Rin is willing to sacrifice everything in the current time to prevent Shiro's death. If Mephisto only explained it to Rin, it's difficult to convince him why it has to be that way. So Mephisto give him a poncho to hide and let Rin freely do whatever he wants, including trying to change the past. Then whether Rin makes correct or wrong choice, success or fail, he'll find the history inevitable turns back to the same. That will be the ultimate way to prove that the current situation is an unavoidable destiny

-Day 2 of everything being chaos

D-day 2? So we did indeed get a time skip? Has Rin started traveling in the past already? How does this shet even work? Will he take a tour of a few hours but it will last for days in the present timeline? No, wait, I don't like this kinda things, too complicated.
Until now it's still simple : Day 1 is January 2nd; Day 2 is January 3rd. So the end of this chapter (Day 2 morning) should be several hours later than Rin left
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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2018, 08:18:15 AM »
Now that you mention that, the possibility of Rin having to  make a choice between stabilizing the current state of the world or saving shirou can make for some great drama and character development for him. I mean this is his one and only chance, he could either fix Mephistos mistake saving his friends and the world in the long run (this might not be very bad rught now, but  considering even  Aurther is struggling, I'd say humans have little to no chance in fighting this off) or save Shirou which would change Yukio and possibly many other things about their relationship.

As I said, I don't know, could it be possible that Mephisto gave such a freedom to Rin? To change the past as he likes? Than what would've Mephisto been working that hard to make things go the way they did for if Rin could just screw all that in a sec?
what if mephisto (and maybe even shiro???) did meet rin in the past and mepphy is sending rin to the past because he first met rin in the past??? (kinda like in kamisama kiss)

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2018, 10:52:25 AM »
^ I'm currentely typing down a theory about this 'cause I got that feeling as well. I'll explain it better there.

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Re: Chapter 99 RAW
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2018, 05:29:04 PM »
Am I the only one who is pretty nervous about sending rin who still might not be completely stable from going beserk back to the past? Am I the only one getting blue knight vibes here? What if something happens and run ends up being the one who caused it not Satan? What a twist that would be especially to the rest of the students. Don't think tht will be likely to happen but the possibility is there

I would absolutely LOVE this, if he saw Satan massacring all the people, he would attempt to fight Satan and end up going full demon himself. Like you said, very, very unlikely but it's a cool thought