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Offline Cloelia

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #135 on: January 15, 2018, 09:31:54 PM »
More than Lightning's plan I'm curious to see what Shura's reaction will be when she'll find out about all this mess...

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #136 on: January 15, 2018, 10:50:52 PM »
After her first reaction, which is sure to be "what the FUCK just happened, RIN didn't I TELL YOU to LAY LOW!"... followed by doing her best to protect Rin, and anger towards Yukio for causing this situation...

I think it'll hit Shura hard. She's tried to vouch for Yukio even as he refused to say anything. But she won't do that after hearing how Yukio turned against Rin. Unlike the others, she saw what happened between the twins in Aomori. I wonder if she'll regret not talking to Rin about what Yukio did then. Also, Shiro asked her to watch over Yukio when he started cram school. It wasn't a promise, but I've always wondered if that's been in her mind when she's tried to help Yukio before. I wonder if we'll see a callback to that.
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #137 on: January 15, 2018, 11:03:13 PM »
Speaking of something that we haven't talked about since the shit hit the fan... I wonder when Lightning's coming back?

After all, he got arrested and went "I hope nothing unexpected happens". Aaaaaand then literally everything went to crap.
  • There was a failed assassination attempt on Mephisto's life.
Bets on it leading back to the Illuminati...after all, everything always does

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  • The Gehenna Gate has opened and partially merged with Assiah.
One of the the things Im most curious about. 2 effects we will have a pretty good idea of:
1. Will make most or all Assiah residents able to see demons
2. Correlated to 1, it will power- up demons as their power or 'concept' is strengthened by the Assiah perception of them

Other long term effects I imagine are shifts in a metaphysical plane. Why do beings of Gehenna have all the 'power'...I mean laws of physics wise...where does all the energy come from?, while Assiah beings have all the physical matter? I understand the Assiah beings have an indirect way to empower Gehenna through the 'tulpa' effect, but what will happen now that the lines are blurred. Will Lucifer's words of 'no difference between humans and demons' start to become actuality? Were the two separate mirror worlds truly once one plane? What was that like, etc?

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  • The public is learning the existence of demons.

Also fascinating. I believed I talked about this somewhere else. Too lazy to look for it right now. Basically the gist is the True Cross, Illuminati, and other demon-related organizations will become from once a secret/disguised organization to the forefront of the public and the 'leaders' that will guide the headless chickens (normal people) through this new development/tragedy.

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  • Koumaken was broken, returning Rin's demon heart to his chest, possibly making him uncontrollable.
The key will be used to hide it perhaps. Tatsuma and/or Lightning will help fix the sword. Perhaps the heart won't be 'sealed' inside the sword anymore. After better control training, it may come to the point where Rin has full control of where his heart goes, but chooses to use the sword like a conduit or something which will still help him.
He was necrotizing and in danger of going fulls berserk mode at the end of the chapter. We still don't know if he'll faint, transform more, and/or go on a full rampage next chap.

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  • Yukio betrayed the Order and his friends, and defected to the Illuminati.
It's difficult for me to say Yukio 'betrayed' the Order. I mean they already had him locked up for the little bit of Satan power he showed. What would have happened to Yukio once they found Satan there? Let him go on parole? No. The were going to execute him for sure, because of how directly linked to Satan he was even more so than Rin. That's why I said the Order betrayed him first or were set to at least.

The ones Yukio truly betrayed were his brother and his companions. Rin knew the only option to save Yukio was to get him out of there. If Yukio ran away with Rin, then he wouldn't have betrayed his companions and their trust that he had trust in them. Since he coldly left them in the dust, I consider that an act of betrayal of trust.

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  • Satan was revealed to be watching Assiah through Yukio's left eye.
Yeah..I could totally see them marching to Mephisto for some 'splaining to do. Since there is probably no longer any need for that angle of secrecy anymore, he'll probably end of telling of the blue night and the birth at this point, and we might finally get a long awaited flashback. Perhaps Lucifer will be explaining to Yukio around the same time or something...though I find it hard to believe Lucifer would know as much as Mephisto about what went down.

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Wonder what Lightning will have to say about all this. And what his deal with Renzou was. I definitely think the Sylph Bell is off Renzou's neck. But what did Renzou agree to do for it...

Hmm that favor Renzou did or will do is still a big mystery. I thought Lightning might want to use the bell to locate the Illuminati base. Though maybe he did the favor already and the bell is off. I wonder if Lightning can somehow use Yukio's Morinas Contract to locate the base now...

 
More than Lightning's plan I'm curious to see what Shura's reaction will be when she'll find out about all this mess...


Shura will hear about Yukio's face-heel-turn and be like, Called it! 'I saw something like this happening, should have warned Rin that time'. She'll naturally be angry at Yukio, but also worried for him since he's still a kid in dangerous waters and she in the 'chaperone'/'older sister' role.

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #138 on: January 16, 2018, 03:01:19 AM »
Hey what’s up.
I’m just here to scream and shout with joy about finally seeing more of the illuminati from the inside. And Toudou Homare? Hmm but I still wonder what her exact relation is to Toudou Saburouto. Will we have to call them by first names now? Can I call him Toudou sensei again? <3 I can’t wait for Shima, Toudou, Lucy and Yukio adventures. Kind of unexpected but welcome Satan only has one eyeball and hasn’t fully hijacked Yukio’s body. 

(busy life stuff can’t read or write much on the forum atm. also as much as i like reading both official jp and eng chapters most raw sites don’t load well for me so it’s better to wait for the full chapter in viz).
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #139 on: January 21, 2018, 04:31:55 PM »
Just notice one thing ... It seems like Shima was unconscious when the sword breaks and Satan talks ...

So, is he really aware what happened? Or does he just assume Yukio somehow blocked Rin's attack and Rin gives up stopping them?

sound like... he ACTUALLY worries about Rin?
I felt he’s actually worrying about Rain when the raw is out. He can't anticipate this happened anyway.

how come he now gives two shets about how what happened is gonna affect the brothers' relationship?
He’s not talking about the brothers' relationship. It’s about you can't regret now = do you have the determination?
So ... maybe he is talking about that Rin looks pretty sad, and Yukio shoot Rin ... things before he unconscious

"Well I didn't do much, he mostly just self-destructed"

I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing, Renzou really knows how to piss people off.
Reconsider this ...  I don't think there's any reason he intends to mock Yukio. He actually becomes unsettled with Yukio's glare. I guess that's what he planned to tell his boss after things done, but he just forgets Yukio is also there.

So ... does that mean he doesn't want to get reward for this mission? Why?

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2018, 01:44:16 AM »
Reconsider this ...  I don't think there's any reason he intends to mock Yukio. He actually becomes unsettled with Yukio's glare. I guess that's what he planned to tell his boss after things done, but he just forgets Yukio is also there.
Or maybe it really was a jab at Yukio, but he forgot Yukio wasn't in a mood to take jokes.

So ... does that mean he doesn't want to get reward for this mission? Why?
That's only modesty. Like in Japan during interviews when the interviewer asks the interviewee questions about what's written in his resume, the interviewee must (1) state that the information is true and (2) belittle his accomplishments. Or, whenever someone you're not familiar with, at work or at school or anywhere, compliments you on anything, the generic answer is not "thank you" but "not at all"/"いいえ".
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2018, 05:36:45 PM »
Just notice one thing ... It seems like Shima was unconscious when the sword breaks and Satan talks ...

So, is he really aware what happened? Or does he just assume Yukio somehow blocked Rin's attack and Rin gives up stopping them?

I don't think Shima's unconscious. He was probably just playing dead since Rin and Yukio are pretty freakin' scary. Which is why Yukio says "get up", because he isn't buying Shima's "I'm totally knocked out" routine.

still giggling at "quick, Shima, take me"

Reconsider this ...  I don't think there's any reason he intends to mock Yukio. He actually becomes unsettled with Yukio's glare. I guess that's what he planned to tell his boss after things done, but he just forgets Yukio is also there.
Or maybe it really was a jab at Yukio, but he forgot Yukio wasn't in a mood to take jokes.

I think it was Renzou trying to cope with what had just happened. He's clearly worried about Rin. Humor is his way of handling worry and nervousness. It's not unlike his "you're finally getting the look right" comment from chapter 93.

That's only modesty. Like in Japan during interviews when the interviewer asks the interviewee questions about what's written in his resume, the interviewee must (1) state that the information is true and (2) belittle his accomplishments. Or, whenever someone you're not familiar with, at work or at school or anywhere, compliments you on anything, the generic answer is not "thank you" but "not at all"/"いいえ".

Well. I just realized why my research mentor is so popular in Japan. XD (He often talks down his accomplishments, which completely frustrates the Americans and Europeans but not the Japanese researchers.)
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2018, 07:21:33 PM »
still giggling at "quick, Shima, take me"

Ha ha ha... I wonder how many YukiShi(ma) shippers are born thanks(?) to that mistranslation.

Edit: W-wait, hold on! Actually... it's Yukio... who asked Shima to... um... So, actually, it's Shi... ShiYu-

...

VIZ!!! WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #143 on: January 23, 2018, 11:01:07 AM »
Just notice one thing ... It seems like Shima was unconscious when the sword breaks and Satan talks ...

So, is he really aware what happened? Or does he just assume Yukio somehow blocked Rin's attack and Rin gives up stopping them?

I don't think Shima's unconscious. He was probably just playing dead since Rin and Yukio are pretty freakin' scary. Which is why Yukio says "get up", because he isn't buying Shima's "I'm totally knocked out" routine.
I had considered the possibility he is pretending dead, but I think in that case he should lie on his stomach. Since he actually lies on his side, he can't open his eyes when pretending dead. (And if he's really so scared that he pretended dead and closed his eyes the whole time, then he probably still doesn't know what happened unless he heard what Satan said)

Reconsider this ...  I don't think there's any reason he intends to mock Yukio. He actually becomes unsettled with Yukio's glare. I guess that's what he planned to tell his boss after things done, but he just forgets Yukio is also there.
Or maybe it really was a jab at Yukio, but he forgot Yukio wasn't in a mood to take jokes.

I think it was Renzou trying to cope with what had just happened. He's clearly worried about Rin. Humor is his way of handling worry and nervousness. It's not unlike his "you're finally getting the look right" comment from chapter 93.
So ... does that mean he doesn't want to get reward for this mission? Why?
That's only modesty. Like in Japan during interviews when the interviewer asks the interviewee questions about what's written in his resume, the interviewee must (1) state that the information is true and (2) belittle his accomplishments. Or, whenever someone you're not familiar with, at work or at school or anywhere, compliments you on anything, the generic answer is not "thank you" but "not at all"/"いいえ".
If he just tried to mock Yukio or to say something so things won't look too serious, I think it's more reasonable to say it on the helicopter when he is not talking to another people, which is more similar to the situation in chapter 93. That's not something good to say when reporting to his boss.

Maybe it's being humble, but I feel it's a little too much. I mean, it will be difficult to take credit after you stated your target finished most part on his own. He could just make his statement vague

still giggling at "quick, Shima, take me"

Ha ha ha... I wonder how many YukiShi(ma) shippers are born thanks(?) to that mistranslation.

Edit: W-wait, hold on! Actually... it's Yukio... who asked Shima to... um... So, actually, it's Shi... ShiYu-

...

VIZ!!! WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE?!
I believe it's been a semi-popular ship (at least in Japan)

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2018, 10:44:18 PM »
So ... does that mean he doesn't want to get reward for this mission? Why?
That's only modesty. Like in Japan during interviews when the interviewer asks the interviewee questions about what's written in his resume, the interviewee must (1) state that the information is true and (2) belittle his accomplishments. Or, whenever someone you're not familiar with, at work or at school or anywhere, compliments you on anything, the generic answer is not "thank you" but "not at all"/"いいえ".
Maybe it's being humble, but I feel it's a little too much. I mean, it will be difficult to take credit after you stated your target finished most part on his own. He could just make his statement vague
In Japan, you're never supposed to take credit for anything. Because of the "team mentality". Every time something is accomplished, it's never entirely due to one person's efforts. Even a student's grades is in part due to their teacher's teachings.
In Japanese companies, workers are always made to work in teams, or at the very least in pairs. So when the work is well done, no one's taking credit for it, it's the team. And likewise, whenever the job is not well done, no one takes the blame for it, it's the team again. And even if for some reasons (usually public outrage) some one has to take the blame, it will be the immediate superior (or someone even higher) who will take it, even if it's not his fault at all.
So to get a raise, you can only wait and hope the bosses notice your good work.
You can't go up to them and say "This is what I did, this is how I did it, this is how much work I'm putting in, therefore I deserve a raise." If you do that, you might not get the raise that you might have gotten if you stayed humble.
And anyway, they just have to look at whether the work is well done. You can't always get the work well done out of luck. So when they see the work is well done and tell you "well done", then you generically stay humble and say "not at all" or anything of the sort, they don't think "oh, so he didn't do anything afterall", they know you're most likely just being humble and so they keep thinking you've done well.

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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2018, 12:56:34 AM »
 And now we can ask Lightning, what the hell he has done. I wonder what was his intention when he gave S13 data to Yukio, making him go totally crazy. Why does he sit in prison (don't you think he might find a way to get out of it?) and calmly watches the world going totally crazy. Why TCO wouldn't let him out just to be more efficient with fighting against demons during so big crisis. I even dare to say, he might beat up Dragulescu to go to jail and have alibi for doing nothing. He is demon fanatic, so it would be awesome for him to have world with humans and demons coexisting. As I remember, one of spies is in higher-ups. True Cross Order gave him access to some very delicate data. Doesn't it look fishy? (Mefisto also cares mostly for a good show. Cannot judge)

 I wonder, how magically this is gonna end. All this mess. I mean, now we are at the point, where everything that can go wrong, goes wrong. And it's good move, because we start doubting more and more. Who's on the right site? Does the right site really exist? If I was in, I'd like to stay out of war and look at it with truly objective eye.

The most funny way to end this series would be to kill all good people and finish with Satan dream come true ;)
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Re: Chapter 97 RAW
« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2018, 02:17:57 PM »
He is demon fanatic, so it would be awesome for him to have world with humans and demons coexisting. As I remember, one of spies is in higher-ups. True Cross Order gave him access to some very delicate data. Doesn't it look fishy? (Mefisto also cares mostly for a good show. Cannot judge)

Lightning is the one responsible for finding the spy... It would be funny if finally  he's the spy xD

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