Shipping Thread!

[chinonamida]

^ ... that friendzoning sounds even worse in Japanese

yea it does

[NeeNee]

No-one said Rin thought he was making progress.

But he's not the guy to give up for so little.

[Anya]

^ He did try to make progress and I'm not so sure he failed. Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.

[chinonamida]

Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.

. . .

shiemi said she nerver had a friend before.
izumo is her first official friend.
her second would be rin. even though he didn't really accepted.
so that means: yukio isn't her friend, right?

if we follow the mindset that friends don't make lover,
then it's natural people who are romantically interested in someone won't want to be their friend.
if someone is avoiding to be too close to someone else, it means that person is romantically interested. so if you try to get too close before confessing they'll think you want to be friend and when you'll confess they'll be shocked and probably turn you down. they might accept but they'll wonder why you did it this way.

then,
shiemi apparently never asked yukio to be her friend
yukio most likely never asked shiemi to be his friend
and rin refuse to be shiemi's friend


what I'm trying to say is,
I can't see why would shiemi mistake love for friendship towards rin while she normally express her interest towards yukio.
I think if she was mistaking love for friendship (then for her love=friend and friend=friend so everyone are friends) she would have asked yukio to be her friend and she would have been saying yukio was her friend instead of saying she didn't had any.


*sigh*[it's hard to explain something that is so obvious to me]


shiemi is normal, she was a shut-in because of her bad health but she's still normal.
there's some things she doesn't know and she's making some mistakes.
she was too submissive to izumo's tyranny in the beginning.
still, she looks like she knows the difference between love and friendship.
maybe her love is ill placed.
but right now she seems to have a crush on yukio and friendzone rin.

I don't mind people supporting rinXshiemi but I think they should look at the book instead of the fanfiction in their head.

[NeeNee]

Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.

. . .

shiemi said she nerver had a friend before.
izumo is her first official friend.
her second would be rin. even though he didn't really accepted.
so that means: yukio isn't her friend, right?

That's not how friendship works. The reason why people are calling her socially challenged is because she apparently think you need some kind of agreement to be friends. In reality, she made friends with Rin long before Izumo, she just didn't notice.

if we follow the mindset that friends don't make lover,
then it's natural people who are romantically interested in someone won't want to be their friend.
if someone is avoiding to be too close to someone else, it means that person is romantically interested. so if you try to get too close before confessing they'll think you want to be friend and when you'll confess they'll be shocked and probably turn you down. they might accept but they'll wonder why you did it this way.

But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all. If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him. It doesn't make sense to me otherwise; how can you learn to love someone if you've never talked to them?

(I don't know how it works for you, but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)

Shiemi picked Yukio based on a photo your way: she saw him once, admired his achievements, and developed a crush. Now, she's falling in love with Rin my way: she's getting to know him better, and as she does, she's starting to realize that she likes him a lot more than her other friends.

I guess we'll have to wait and see which way works out for her in the end.

[chinonamida]

The reason why people are calling her socially challenged is because she apparently think you need some kind of agreement to be friends. In reality, she made friends with Rin long before Izumo, she just didn't notice.

what?
I didn't hear anyone else than anya saying "socially challenged"
and she meant shiemi was misunderstanding her love towards rin for friendship. I think.

But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all.

what's important isn't really you or me, it's the author of the book and the main target audience.
which are all japanese.
then, take in consideration that I got my mindset from japan.
you can not believe me if you want, but I'm telling you the mindset I'm talking about which is mine, is probably also the one of the author of that book and the creator of the characters we're discussing about.
got my point?

If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him. It doesn't make sense to me otherwise; how can you learn to love someone if you've never talked to them?

obviously, you can talk without getting close
I'm not close to you and we're talking right now
[and I do mean close as in close relationship, not physically close.]

(I don't know how it works for you,

simple
you see someone. you think that person's nice. you keep some distance while trying to know more. if you discover that persons not so nice, you either leave it alone or give it a chance as a friend. if you see the interest stays, you tell that person "wanna go out with me?"
if you get too close/too friendly and then confess, the other will react like it's been deceived.

but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)

you just said "If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him"
now youre saying you need to be already close to get a crush?
make up your mind.

Shiemi picked Yukio based on a photo your way: she saw him once, admired his achievements, and developed a crush. Now, she's falling in love with Rin my way: she's getting to know him better, and as she does, she's starting to realize that she likes him a lot more than her other friends.

I guess we'll have to wait and see which way works out for her in the end.

I don't think she loves rin.

anyway believe what you want I'm tired. bey

[NeeNee]

But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all.

what's important isn't really you or me, it's the author of the book and the main target audience.
which are all japanese.
then, take in consideration that I got my mindset from japan.
you can not believe me if you want, but I'm telling you the mindset I'm talking about which is mine, is probably also the one of the author of that book and the creator of the characters we're discussing about.
got my point?

I know.

But that's still not the impression I get from the book.

but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)

you just said "If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him"
now youre saying you need to be already close to get a crush?
make up your mind.

See if I can become closer to him then. I already need to know the guy relatively well (as a classmate or whatever), but if I'm interested I'd still try to learn more.

I'm afraid the concept 'meet nice guy -> confess' doesn't really work for me. I already need to be comfortable around someone before I would even consider such feelings. Besides, I think the ideal is that you don't have to confess at all - if it's really love from both sides, the other should have noticed already.

[NeeNee]

Worse than getting friendzoned.

[keemew2]

Awwwwww! Poor Yukio! He really needs to finbd someone to make him happy and Shiemi is NOT the one. I doubt Shura is the one either, really. I mean, I think it would be interesting, but I would be just as happy if they brought in another girl for him. One more....suited to his mind set. Hopefully they don't out in a femme fatale to toy with him though, that would definitely set him over the edge.

[Penna]

I feel that as long as Rin doesn't give up on pursuing Shiemi and still maintains his crush on her, Rin x Shiemi will always be possible. He seems to have A LOT of perseverance. Even after Shiemi told him that she will remain his "friend forever!" he still wants to go to the festival with her. 

Yukio X Shiemi could be the most possible pairing since their feelings are mutual, but the problem with Yukio x Shiemi is that neither other them have enough guts to raise their relationship to a romantic level and neither of them have tried to express their feelings for each other. Both of them seem content with the "peaceful" relationship they have now. This was okay when Rin (his only threat) wasn't in the picture yet, but now Rin is already starting to 1-up him in the romance department. He is the only one who has tried to express his feelings for Shiemi, although he was shot down the first time due to Shiemi's obliviousness, he still hasn't given up yet.

Or maybe I'm just speaking too soon? With the festival coming up, each of them finally have a perfect chance to act their crushes out. Rin has already decided on asking Shiemi out, but we have yet to see Yukio or Shiemi's mindset on this event. Will Yukio ask Shiemi? Will Shiemi ask Yukio? I'm already doubting the possibility of the former, but will Shiemi use the backbone she has grown throughout this series?

[Buttercup]

I'm sorry but I still dont view Shiemi as having a backbone. Sure she blows up once in a while but then goes back to being oblivious to anything and everyone around her. I personally think Shiemi only views Yukio as her brother type figure. I havent seen anything (Other than her giving Yukio a shamrock) that would suggest she has highten interest in him. RinxShiemi is what I ship. I think Yukio deserves someone he can protect but equally protect him as well.

[keemew2]

Anybody got any idea what kinda traits would best suit a possible love interest for Yukio?

[NeeNee]

^ Stable. Strong-willed. Gentle, but able and willing to call him out on his crap when he goes off brooding.

[keemew2]

Those are good qualities.
She should also be practical, kind yet not afraid to state the truth, such calling him out like you said. Sensible. Not ill tempered like Shura.
While I do ship Yukio/Shura, I must admit her personality is a little rough for Yukio. I really do hope Kazue-sensei creates a character that Yukio could show signs of interest towards, someone who could pull him away from Shiemi. Though, right now Yukio views Shiemi as perfect, so it would definitely take time and he may be a bit blind to her at first. She would have to be proactive about it.

[NeeNee]

^ Honestly, I think Yukio isn't ready for a girl right now. He needs to sort himself out first.

While it might be possible for a new girl to help him with that, it would be rather cliche and even a bit Deus Ex Machina-like, if he suddenly opens up to her. I would prefer his brother to play a role in his rehabilitation... despite their differences, he is the one Yukio is closest to, so it would make the most sense.