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Offline Watanuki

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2014, 09:47:23 AM »
Everyone else has said what needs be said

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TLDR : Watanuki finally gets it.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2014, 11:42:57 AM »
So Shiemi isn't strong because of her Greenman, but the Greenman is strong because of her... I never thought about it that way. I was wondering how a small lump of mud and grass could be so strong, but if it's directly connected to Shiemi's powers then I guess it makes sense.
I need to think about this for a while.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2014, 01:16:26 PM »
I that. It doesn't sit all that well, but I still like it.

I like how it kind of means that the demon feeds off the tamer's will -- since I image that, in a normal possession scenario, the opposite is true: the demon is hampered by the host's will.

Somehow, the tamer's got to make it worth the demon's while. If they get a power up, that would work. c:

I'm still bothered by the idea of a demonic contract though. (How does that work?)

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #138 on: July 12, 2014, 04:20:45 PM »
^ You sacrifice your soul for power

Offline Watanuki

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #139 on: July 12, 2014, 05:05:35 PM »
My use of the term 'demonic contract' was more a reference to the general usage of a mutually beneficial arrangement between a human and a yokai/akuma/ayakashi/spirit/demon prevalent in shonen manga, where human gets to use the familiar's magical ability, in return supplying spirit energy to power it up. Not specifically defining the relationship in Ao No Exorcist as such.

It makes sense in hindsight (for me). In the IK arc Shiemi's Green Man increased in size in direct response to her resolve (also as Izumo was captured and infected). Similarly Renzou faints every time Yamantaka is invoked. Clearly an exchange of some sort is taking place. But I wouldn't call it a classic demonic contract where the mortal pays with his/her soul.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #140 on: July 13, 2014, 02:18:36 AM »
Ah, I didn't mean it quite like a sell-your-soul sort of thing... I was thinking about contracts and fine print and was stuck on:

"If the contract is a 'this service in exchange for that one' deal, then how is the contract made if one party can't talk/isn't intelligent?"

But... the power exchange mentioned here resolves that by providing a default service that the tamer can offer the summon-ee.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #141 on: July 13, 2014, 02:57:14 AM »
Yep, and there seems to be some telepathic exchange that goes on (see: Nii understanding Shiemi's personal plant labels and Neuhaus understanding his naberius when it speaks in demon), so even if the other demon is NOT intelligent, they understand what the human wants and has to offer.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #142 on: July 13, 2014, 03:41:48 AM »
... I imagine that would make it all the more frustrating/intense if there is any distrust or lack of confidence. :c

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #143 on: July 14, 2014, 11:23:36 AM »
It sort of explains the power debacle between Karura and Ucchusma too - who was stronger (for me anyway).

The demon profiles state Uchssuma was stronger, yet why did Suguro's Dad use Karura? Ucchusma was more suited to defeating the IK since his remit was burning impurities while Karura's flame was more about regeneration

But because he wanted to deal with the IK himself, Suguro's dad chose Karura instead.

Summoning Uccchusma needed the support of the other families. Suguro's dad wanted to take the burden on himself alone.  Through the ritual of Gohaen and using up 15 years of his life, Suguro's dad was hoping to power up Karura's flames to the point that they can defeat the IK.




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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #144 on: July 14, 2014, 06:56:26 PM »
It seems the S2 version on Mangafox is incomplete. It only goes to page 29.

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #145 on: July 14, 2014, 07:12:33 PM »
^I wonder what's wrong. It's not the first time they do that mistake.

You'd be better going on the original site.
http://s2scanlations.com/online/read/ao_no_exorcist/en/0/58/page/1


Btw, I don't say it often enough, good job on the cleaning and all!

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #146 on: July 15, 2014, 12:13:06 AM »
Eh? Thank you! Thank you! 8$

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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
« Reply #147 on: July 15, 2014, 12:28:35 AM »
Woo, yay it's out!


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Re: Chapter 58 Discussion
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