Author Topic: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)  (Read 69608 times)

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #195 on: February 11, 2014, 11:50:49 AM »
^I too wouldn't be satisfied with just OVAs or movies, they are nice add but I would love re-booted anime!! I crave for it! Give us those all!!
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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #196 on: February 13, 2014, 11:08:20 PM »
Not from the movie novel itself but it's about the tiny flashback we see in the movie:

http://shakoujirei.tumblr.com/post/76551951317/heres-a-quickie-dialogue-lifted-from-the#post-notes

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #197 on: February 13, 2014, 11:36:30 PM »
Oh wow. That's worse than I thought. I thought it was just some initiation rite. Dat family.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #198 on: February 14, 2014, 06:50:30 AM »
Hahaha... I actually commented on the publication and the blogger answered me:

http://shakoujirei.tumblr.com/post/76605106863/ooc

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #199 on: February 14, 2014, 07:08:27 AM »
This is really thought-provoking. Tell the blogger I said thanks. Is that pretty much it or was there more to it? John seemed pretty friendly to me.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #200 on: February 14, 2014, 07:10:19 AM »
I will ask him, from what I gather he doesn't have the book that one comes from. And I will certainly tell him you said thanks.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #201 on: February 14, 2014, 05:17:39 PM »
I'm going to sneak in here all ninja-like.

No, I do not! There are at least three books for the movie: the short story, the novelization, and the visual guide. What I've been summarizing is the short story with the radio drama adaptation. The novelization is where the extra lines about ancestry and the pug originated. I only have the short story, which I'm not done with yet.

I agree that John seems like a decent fellow, if disconnected from the rest of the family's traditions dealing with exorcism. I think Liu envies the relationship Rin and Yukio have, because he has a hard time talking to John, like avoiding a call in favor of e-mail (this is implied to be a regular occurrence between them). Liu is a great exorcist, but we see that he isn't good at much beyond his job. There's more on this very soon in the short story, which I've been lagging on due to my studies.

Thus far I don't believe the reason for "John" has been disclosed, but I assume that it must be an overseas name he adopted. There's not a lot on him. But the majority of the Japanese fanbase believes he's in his 20s, and I'm inclined to think so, too, based on his hobbies and tastes.

(Thanks for the thanks!)

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #202 on: February 14, 2014, 05:55:59 PM »
I'm going to sneak in here all ninja-like.

No, I do not! There are at least three books for the movie: the short story, the novelization, and the visual guide. What I've been summarizing is the short story with the radio drama adaptation. The novelization is where the extra lines about ancestry and the pug originated. I only have the short story, which I'm not done with yet.

That part was clear, but where did you get that little part of the novelization?

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I agree that John seems like a decent fellow, if disconnected from the rest of the family's traditions dealing with exorcism. I think Liu envies the relationship Rin and Yukio have, because he has a hard time talking to John, like avoiding a call in favor of e-mail (this is implied to be a regular occurrence between them).

So I'm not the only one who noticed how disconnected John was from the rest of the family! My guess is that John and Chenglong (plus, the rest of his family) had a clash of values, and John left. That's one of the reasons Chenglong feels so guilty, because he still wants to look out for his little brother, but there is still that clash of values.

Oh, if Chenglong only knew the REAL relationship between Rin and Yukio... He met them before the real strain happened, certainly, but even back then the seeds were still there. The anime continuity was lenient with it, though they make Yukio look like a bit more of an asshole without realizing that is his reaction to dealing with pressure and stress. But overall, Kyoto was the breaking point in their relationship and that hadn't happened yet.  Now it is broken, and there is nothing to envy. If anything, he should envy Rin's heart...which is the very thing he's been saying makes Rin a terrible exorcist.

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Liu is a great exorcist, but we see that he isn't good at much beyond his job. There's more on this very soon in the short story, which I've been lagging on due to my studies.
Well, I'll wait eagerly until you have time for it. I look forward to hearing the rest of it.

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Thus far I don't believe the reason for "John" has been disclosed, but I assume that it must be an overseas name he adopted. There's not a lot on him. But the majority of the Japanese fanbase believes he's in his 20s, and I'm inclined to think so, too, based on his hobbies and tastes.
Early or late 20s?

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(Thanks for the thanks!)
Lol, you're welcome.
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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #203 on: February 14, 2014, 08:14:09 PM »
That part was clear, but where did you get that little part of the novelization?

I found some lines floating around the web (bots are great for this with crosschecking). Context was generally lacking, but the nature of the dialogue was self-explanatory.

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So I'm not the only one who noticed how disconnected John was from the rest of the family! My guess is that John and Chenglong (plus, the rest of his family) had a clash of values, and John left. That's one of the reasons Chenglong feels so guilty, because he still wants to look out for his little brother, but there is still that clash of values.

Oh, if Chenglong only knew the REAL relationship between Rin and Yukio... He met them before the real strain happened, certainly, but even back then the seeds were still there. The anime continuity was lenient with it, though they make Yukio look like a bit more of an asshole without realizing that is his reaction to dealing with pressure and stress. But overall, Kyoto was the breaking point in their relationship and that hadn't happened yet.  Now it is broken, and there is nothing to envy. If anything, he should envy Rin's heart...which is the very thing he's been saying makes Rin a terrible exorcist.

Realistically speaking, that does make Rin a terrible exorcist. You're right, though. I think what Liu is actually attracted to is Rin's openness, which is what allows the type of communication he has with Yukio in spite of their dysfunctional ways. Liu is kind of stunted when it comes to self-expression.

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Early or late 20s?

Probably early, if he happens to be a college student.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #204 on: February 14, 2014, 08:27:01 PM »
Odd, because the manga is implying that an open heart, and honesty is what makes you a good exorcist. I assume Liu, like Yukio, is vulnerable to demons because of the emotions and experiences he supresses and has never gotten over. Anti-demon beliefs can only get you so far.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #205 on: February 14, 2014, 10:28:40 PM »
Sorry for asking, but I guess I've missed something...who's John?

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #206 on: February 14, 2014, 10:34:29 PM »
Chenglong's little brother from the companion materials. He never appeared in the movie, but Liu is movie-original so I guess we're talking about it here.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #207 on: February 15, 2014, 01:03:27 AM »
Odd, because the manga is implying that an open heart, and honesty is what makes you a good exorcist. I assume Liu, like Yukio, is vulnerable to demons because of the emotions and experiences he supresses and has never gotten over. Anti-demon beliefs can only get you so far.

Having an open and honest heart is ideal! It ensures that the character is strong and insusceptible to manipulation. Rin has what it takes to be a great exorcist.

On the other hand, Liu's gripe with Rin is their clash in perspective. The way I see it, exorcists, first and foremost, exorcise demons. Saving people is a byproduct. Rin, however, wants to do it the other way around and play devil's advocate (ooh, pun). Picture a doctor deciding against treating a disease, because he doesn't wish harm to the bacterial organism. Liu, as well as Yukio, find that way of thinking extremely problematic. Essentially, Rin is too sweet.

For that matter, the difference between Liu and Yukio is the timing of their experiences. Liu has venerability on his side. He spent many long years rationalizing his choice, regardless of lingering feelings, to toughen it out. Yukio doesn't have that luxury, because his problems revolve around Rin.

And Rin is, well, around.

That said, they've both got issues! Liu is probably more lenient with Rin than Yukio is, because he doesn't have the same stressors and can actually relate, to a point, which makes him far better off than poor Yukio. He's a little more open-minded and malleable, but also a lot more confident in his beliefs.

I'm not sure of what I'm saying anymore.

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #208 on: February 15, 2014, 01:38:51 AM »
No, it makes sense. One issue though, and I'm just asking for my own reasons: the Liu family hates all demons and you said Chenglong has accepted his family's view. Why is he still treating Rin like an exorcist, instead of something to be killed? (Or is that because he hasn't truly accepted it?)

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Re: Blue Exorcist: The Movie (Anime Movie)
« Reply #209 on: February 15, 2014, 02:15:08 AM »
Liu doesn't see Rin as an exorcist, though he does acknowledge the desire to be one. I'd use Izumo's argument from the manga, where exorcists with demon blood aren't unheard of. Rin is still a human being, not to mention the intention of using him on the Order's part. It's probably more about the pragmatism behind it than anything personal on Liu's end. He doesn't necessarily hate demons so much as he's been indoctrinated to view them as imminent threats, after all.