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Blue Exorcist => Blue Exorcist (Manga) => Topic started by: Anya on October 07, 2012, 10:08:10 PM

Title: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on October 07, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Choose three of your favorite pairings. You can later change your vote.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on October 07, 2012, 10:14:41 PM
Why can't Yukio get a new girl?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on October 08, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
I voted Arthur and Caliburn. Those two are made for each other
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Toph13139 on October 09, 2012, 03:22:08 AM
I ship none of those things. ._.

I actually like crackships a lot better. I enjoy laughing at my favorite characters every once in a while.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Jarield on October 10, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Straight pairings in this series are weak... But I chose Yukio/Shura, Rin/Paku, and Arthur/Caliburn... I don't really like any of them but well at least there is something good in them... Yukio/Shura for hilarity, Rin/Paku for crack, and Arthur/Caliburn for atrociousness and doucheness...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Blightstrider on October 10, 2012, 02:34:03 PM
Yes! Two for Arthur/Shura! Sail my ship! SAIL!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on October 13, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
I ship so many things for this it's not even funny. But the weird thing is that I have a hard time shipping Rin with other characters.
Although most of these are things I only want and expect to see in fan works.

Rin: Yukio, Shiemi, Bon
Yukio: Rin, Shiemi, Shura, Shima
Shiemi: Rin, Izumo, Amaimon
Izumo: Shiemi, Shima, Bon
Bon: Shima, Izumo, Rin, and kind of open to the idea of the Yoshikuni (anime only)
Shima: Bon, Izumo, Yukio
Konekomaru: Shima, ?? ??
Izumo: Shiemi, Bon, Shima
Shura: Arthur, Mephisto, Yukio, Shiro, Mamushi (bc of snake-theme reasons)

And Juuzou and Mamushi. It seriously fell out of my chair when I found out they were engaged. It was a good day.
Oh yeah, and Toudouxeveryone
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 17, 2012, 04:30:07 AM
(Whoa, five votes for Yukio/Shura? What the hell? :o)

I think it's quite obvious that Rin x Shiemi, and perhaps Izumo x Renzou, are the only ones out of that list that are gonna happen (well, Arthur/Shura might just stand a chance as well, but it's slim). That's just fine with me. I don't care much about shipping, so I usually just go with whatever the author cooks up for us.

Of course, there's always an possibility that Kazue is gonna pull a surprise twist and have Shiemi end up with Yukio after all, but I really doubt it. I actually think there's a higher chance that both brothers will dump her because they don't want to hurt each other/don't want to put her in danger. The only way I could see Yukio and Shiemi ending up together is if Rin dies, but I really don't think that's gonna happen.

(It's funny how the main love story in the manga is between the brothers. Even without romantic intent, you can get away with applying songs like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omuYo49_SOQ) to Rin & Yukio. They don't work for any of the other relationships.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: The silent smiling demon on November 17, 2012, 04:53:22 AM
If I do bother to ship one of these days. I will have to pick these from the list provided.

. Yukio/Shura
. Arthur/Caliburn
. Arthur/Shura






Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: hijikata on November 17, 2012, 06:44:37 AM
BonRin is my OTP over every series.

But I also ship both of them with Izumo, as well as ShimaXIzumo
YukioXShiemi would be the cutest thing. But I ship YukioXShura more.
ArthurXLightning.. hahaha..
YukioXShima is my most cracky ship.
But there are so many more. I think I ship more things AnE than any other series.

Pretty much though, if it's really cute or if there's a lot of dynamic, I'll ship it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Buttercup on November 17, 2012, 05:37:44 PM
I know its an anime and they can do whatever they want, but I highly doubt a Shura/Yukio will happen. He is 15 and she is 26...yeah thats pretty much statuory rape. I think that pairing is mostly brother/sister relationship, since they were around each other since they were young. Only pairing I like is Shima/Izumo. Thats the only one that makes any sense and they balance each other out.
I forgot to mention I can see a Arthur/Shura coupling because they already have sex with their eyes, everytime they are in a scene together.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 17, 2012, 08:52:29 PM
I think the love interests are like that

if you don't understand what's written, you can guess


yea. I have time to waste today
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on November 17, 2012, 08:54:06 PM
I don't have time to waste and I'm still posting. I suppose I just hate myself.

RinxShiemi: It's going to happen anyways, so might as well support it.

YukioxShura: I don't care if there's an insurmountable age gap, these two have the most interesting interactions out of all of the characters. Plus, the fics are generally godly for this pair. Hafta support.

BonxIzumo: Also not likely to happen, but they also have great tsuntsun v tsuntsun moments.

RenzouxIzumo: The fics for this pair are also godly.

JuuzouxMamushi: As if anyone doesn't support these two?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 17, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
insurmountable age gap? it's just 11 years. once you've pass the 30 it doesnt matter anymore. I admit that before that it's weird though.

but still, I don't think there's anything between them. they act more like siblings.


as for rin and shiemi. it's impossible. I don't get how people don't see that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Buttercup on November 17, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
It is true that after 30 it doesnt really matter. But I just dont see that happening anytime soon for those two. I think Yukio needs a new girl.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 17, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
as for rin and shiemi. it's impossible. I don't get how people don't see that.

Why would it be impossible?

If it's about Shiemi friendzoning Rin, you're fixating too much on what she said. It's quite obvious IMO that the word 'friend' doesn't mean the same to her as it does to other people. If we go by the way she was acting (blushing, "Kyaa, I said it!"), it's clear that she sees him as more than a normal friend.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 17, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
as for rin and shiemi. it's impossible. I don't get how people don't see that.

Why would it be impossible?

If it's about Shiemi friendzoning Rin, you're fixating too much on what she said. It's quite obvious IMO that the word 'friend' doesn't mean the same to her as it does to other people. If we go by the way she was acting (blushing, "Kyaa, I said it!"), it's clear that she sees him as more than a normal friend.
. . .

you know
I do think renzouXizumo, rinXshiemi and yukioXshura would be way more interesting pairings.
because I don't see them happening in a hundred years. so that means they'd need a lot of development.

but I'm being realistic.
izumo continuously rejects renzou while he don't care so much and basically go for any girl anyway.
shura and yukio are like big sister and little brother or sempai and kouhai.
and even though rin likes shiemi, she doesnt see it at all.

I already told you that but,
shiemi massively blushed when she asked izumo to be her friend too. but she was even more scared to ask rin because he already rejected her friendship-request once. and of course she's happy to ask him to be her friend because she wants him to be her friend. but rin isn't pleased to be asked to be her friend because he don't want to be her friend. he want's to go out with her. when he invited her to the amusement park he was thinking "yay, it's a date" but shiemi was like "yay, stalls and rides". she care about rin as a person, but she's completely blind to the fact he likes her and she is completely friendzoning him.
on the other side she also don't see yukio likes her and I think she thinks she don't really have a chance. but she likes yukio. in chapter 7 we literally read her mind and she's thinking "kyaaaa. we're alone together. kyaaaaa.". only with chapter 3 you can see she likes him. . . and don't tell me that's admiration.

that's because I'm realist that I think yukio and shiemi are the only plausible pairing right now.



for rin and izumo I'm not so sure. rin don't really care about her. but I think she likes him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Toph13139 on November 17, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
Hey, why isn't RinxYukio up in that list? Some people like it, y'know? And what about Rin-Mephisto-Yukio?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 17, 2012, 11:48:20 PM
^ The Official Shounen Ai Thread. (http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,21.0.html) ;)

As if you would ever go there.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Toph13139 on November 18, 2012, 12:13:51 AM
I actually did and realized it was a mistake. I need to really meditate who would be a good Shounen Ai couple here...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 18, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
izumo continuously rejects renzou while he don't care so much and basically go for any girl anyway.
I agree. This one would need a lot of development for it to work.

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shura and yukio are like big sister and little brother or sempai and kouhai.
Also agree. I don't understand why people pair them. They can't stand each other.

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and even though rin likes shiemi, she doesnt see it at all.
This might be true. But being oblivious of his feelings doesn't mean she can't like him.

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I already told you that but,
shiemi massively blushed when she asked izumo to be her friend too. but she was even more scared to ask rin because he already rejected her friendship-request once. and of course she's happy to ask him to be her friend because she wants him to be her friend. but rin isn't pleased to be asked to be her friend because he don't want to be her friend. he want's to go out with her. when he invited her to the amusement park he was thinking "yay, it's a date" but shiemi was like "yay, stalls and rides". she care about rin as a person, but she's completely blind to the fact he likes her and she is completely friendzoning him.
on the other side she also don't see yukio likes her and I think she thinks she don't really have a chance. but she likes yukio. in chapter 7 we literally read her mind and she's thinking "kyaaaa. we're alone together. kyaaaaa.". only with chapter 3 you can see she likes him. . . and don't tell me that's admiration.

that's because I'm realist that I think yukio and shiemi are the only plausible pairing right now.
I still don't see how this makes Rin x Shiemi impossible. Sure, she might be unaware of his feelings and/or her own, but I think she really likes them. For me, that's a first step (I know you think differently, you believe friendship and love are mutually exclusive. I think they're two sides of the same coin).

As for her crush on Yukio, I believe it will diminish and disappear. She was in love with his perfect image more than anything; now that she has seen his bad side up close, she will probably look at him in a different way (which doesn't mean she won't care about him anymore, but her 'love' came off as very fangirly, and I just can't see the idolising work now. She seemed pretty shocked witnessing their fight on the island). So I don't think Yukio x Shiemi is very likely, unless they get some major development, too.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on November 18, 2012, 01:18:11 AM
I actually did and realized it was a mistake.

QFT.

shura and yukio are like big sister and little brother or sempai and kouhai.

Mm, disagree on the latter. They're colleagues, trained at the same time by the same mentor. Shura exceeds Yukio in rank only due to maturity issues faced by the latter.

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that's because I'm realist that I think yukio and shiemi are the only plausible pairing right now.

I just can't see that happening. Shiemi doesn't really know Yukio at all, and viceversa. All Yukio can see is a pure beautiful girl. He doesn't know her flaws and weaknesses. All Shiemi can see is a perfect genius. Only in the last arc did she start to realize how wrong she was.

Yukio has much bigger problems to tackle before getting close to anyone. He has trouble just being close with his sib, for Pete's sake. He's the wrong guy for any relationship right now, with his inferiority complex.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 18, 2012, 02:18:16 AM
ok. so if yukioXshiemi would also need a lot of developpement,
that means all the pairings (shuraXyukio, yukioXshiemi, shiemiXrin, rinXizumo, izumoXrenzou or izumoXryuuji) would need lots of development to happen. so none of them seems likely right now.


though like I said in my earlier incomprehensible drawing.
I think the love interests works like that
shura - yukio><shiemi<rin<izumo<renzou - ryuuji
with the addition of renzou>any-cute-girl-around

so the question is which would be faster?
shura and yukio starting to like each other
yukio and shiemi getting over their misunderstanding of one another
shiemi starting to like rin
rin starting to like izumo
izumo starting to like renzou
izumo and ryuuji starting to like each other


humm...
I should really read the last two chapters instead of wasting time here
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Fullmetal on November 18, 2012, 02:57:31 AM
Yeah I voted for IzumoxBon
Thats like my only ship.

I also voted for RinxShiemi and ShuraxYukio.
I don't really like the RinxShiemi ship but I know its going to happen.
I doubt Yukioxshura will happen anytime soon.

(I haven't read chapter 40)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 18, 2012, 03:40:24 AM
humm...
I should really read the last two chapters instead of wasting time here

For some reason, this really made me laugh. ;D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on November 18, 2012, 05:08:09 PM
I should really read the last two chapters instead of wasting time here
Do it! Shima gets himself a date!!

Hey, why isn't RinxYukio up in that list? Some people like it, y'know? And what about Rin-Mephisto-Yukio?
How about all knows sons of satan together? Rin/Yukio/Mephisto/Amaimon. :D

as for rin and shiemi. it's impossible. I don't get how people don't see that.
Rin/Shiemi is the most obvious pairing in AnE. If you mean that Shiemi friendzoned Rin, well, it's not what happened. She didn't " Whoa, let's don't go that far and stay friends, okay?" friendzone him, it was "let's take our friendship to another level, because I'll never let you down" type of declaration. After he actually kinda confessed to her, it was a milestone for this pairing.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 18, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
How about all knows sons of satan together? Rin/Yukio/Mephisto/Amaimon. :D
I've seen fanfics.

I became a lot more careful after that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Buttercup on November 18, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
Although Shiemi is friendzoning Rin now doesnt always mean that she will. I think there are slight improvements. They are 15/16 right now, they are just barely starting to come out of that ewww boys/girls have cooties stage and start to notice boobs and ding dongs. I dont really want to spectculate any real pairings until they are a little older and have gone a couple of years of schooling at least. I think by the age of 17 or 18...thats when we will see definite real love emotions.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 19, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
as for rin and shiemi. it's impossible. I don't get how people don't see that.
Rin/Shiemi is the most obvious pairing in AnE. If you mean that Shiemi friendzoned Rin, well, it's not what happened. She didn't " Whoa, let's don't go that far and stay friends, okay?" friendzone him, it was "let's take our friendship to another level, because I'll never let you down" type of declaration. After he actually kinda confessed to her, it was a milestone for this pairing.
again, I've already said that, but anyway
does that look like a guy who feels he's making progress?

and don't tell me he's that mad just because it doesn't go fast enough for him.


and see the ず there? this sound effect means someone extremely depressed, disappointed or discouraged. here it's like his heart has sunk in his chest.
I'm not exaggerating nor making this up. ask someone else who knows the sfx.

edit: wait
this isn't a sfx. its the first letter of the next word repeated twice.
*sigh* I'm so stupid
it really does look like a sfx. and its right in context.
maybe it's both . . .
whatever



korekara nani ga atte mo zutto. . .
watashi ha rin no tomodachi yo!
zutto zuuuutto tomodachi dakara ne!

from now on, no matter what happens, I'll always. . .
be rin's friend!
because we're friend for ever and eeeever!

(it sounds weird to extend vowels in english)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on November 19, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
^ ... that friendzoning sounds even worse in Japanese
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 19, 2012, 03:08:55 PM
^ ... that friendzoning sounds even worse in Japanese
yea it does
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 19, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
No-one said Rin thought he was making progress.

But he's not the guy to give up for so little.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on November 19, 2012, 10:19:16 PM
^ He did try to make progress and I'm not so sure he failed. Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 20, 2012, 01:57:51 AM
Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.
. . .

shiemi said she nerver had a friend before.
izumo is her first official friend.
her second would be rin. even though he didn't really accepted.
so that means: yukio isn't her friend, right?

if we follow the mindset that friends don't make lover,
then it's natural people who are romantically interested in someone won't want to be their friend.
if someone is avoiding to be too close to someone else, it means that person is romantically interested. so if you try to get too close before confessing they'll think you want to be friend and when you'll confess they'll be shocked and probably turn you down. they might accept but they'll wonder why you did it this way.

then,
shiemi apparently never asked yukio to be her friend
yukio most likely never asked shiemi to be his friend
and rin refuse to be shiemi's friend


what I'm trying to say is,
I can't see why would shiemi mistake love for friendship towards rin while she normally express her interest towards yukio.
I think if she was mistaking love for friendship (then for her love=friend and friend=friend so everyone are friends) she would have asked yukio to be her friend and she would have been saying yukio was her friend instead of saying she didn't had any.


*sigh*[it's hard to explain something that is so obvious to me]


shiemi is normal, she was a shut-in because of her bad health but she's still normal.
there's some things she doesn't know and she's making some mistakes.
she was too submissive to izumo's tyranny in the beginning.
still, she looks like she knows the difference between love and friendship.
maybe her love is ill placed.
but right now she seems to have a crush on yukio and friendzone rin.

I don't mind people supporting rinXshiemi but I think they should look at the book instead of the fanfiction in their head.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 20, 2012, 02:25:33 AM
Shiemi is socially challenged and Rin didn't understand her.
. . .

shiemi said she nerver had a friend before.
izumo is her first official friend.
her second would be rin. even though he didn't really accepted.
so that means: yukio isn't her friend, right?
That's not how friendship works. The reason why people are calling her socially challenged is because she apparently think you need some kind of agreement to be friends. In reality, she made friends with Rin long before Izumo, she just didn't notice.

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if we follow the mindset that friends don't make lover,
then it's natural people who are romantically interested in someone won't want to be their friend.
if someone is avoiding to be too close to someone else, it means that person is romantically interested. so if you try to get too close before confessing they'll think you want to be friend and when you'll confess they'll be shocked and probably turn you down. they might accept but they'll wonder why you did it this way.
But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all. If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him. It doesn't make sense to me otherwise; how can you learn to love someone if you've never talked to them?

(I don't know how it works for you, but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)

Shiemi picked Yukio based on a photo your way: she saw him once, admired his achievements, and developed a crush. Now, she's falling in love with Rin my way: she's getting to know him better, and as she does, she's starting to realize that she likes him a lot more than her other friends.

I guess we'll have to wait and see which way works out for her in the end. ;)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 20, 2012, 03:44:48 AM
The reason why people are calling her socially challenged is because she apparently think you need some kind of agreement to be friends. In reality, she made friends with Rin long before Izumo, she just didn't notice.
what?
I didn't hear anyone else than anya saying "socially challenged"
and she meant shiemi was misunderstanding her love towards rin for friendship. I think.

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But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all.
what's important isn't really you or me, it's the author of the book and the main target audience.
which are all japanese.
then, take in consideration that I got my mindset from japan.
you can not believe me if you want, but I'm telling you the mindset I'm talking about which is mine, is probably also the one of the author of that book and the creator of the characters we're discussing about.
got my point?

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If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him. It doesn't make sense to me otherwise; how can you learn to love someone if you've never talked to them?
obviously, you can talk without getting close
I'm not close to you and we're talking right now
[and I do mean close as in close relationship, not physically close.]

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(I don't know how it works for you,
simple
you see someone. you think that person's nice. you keep some distance while trying to know more. if you discover that persons not so nice, you either leave it alone or give it a chance as a friend. if you see the interest stays, you tell that person "wanna go out with me?"
if you get too close/too friendly and then confess, the other will react like it's been deceived.

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but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)
you just said "If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him"
now youre saying you need to be already close to get a crush?
make up your mind.

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Shiemi picked Yukio based on a photo your way: she saw him once, admired his achievements, and developed a crush. Now, she's falling in love with Rin my way: she's getting to know him better, and as she does, she's starting to realize that she likes him a lot more than her other friends.

I guess we'll have to wait and see which way works out for her in the end. ;)

I don't think she loves rin.

anyway believe what you want I'm tired. bey
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 20, 2012, 04:00:29 AM
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But the problem is, Chino, we (or at least I) don't follow that mindset at all.
what's important isn't really you or me, it's the author of the book and the main target audience.
which are all japanese.
then, take in consideration that I got my mindset from japan.
you can not believe me if you want, but I'm telling you the mindset I'm talking about which is mine, is probably also the one of the author of that book and the creator of the characters we're discussing about.
got my point?
I know.

But that's still not the impression I get from the book.

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but I tend to fall in love with a person's personality rather than their looks - which means I usually only start developing feelings for boys who are already my friends. If I would have to decide if I'm interested in someone before knowing them, it'd be like having to pick your love interest based on nothing but a photo, and that just doesn't work.)
you just said "If I have a crush on someone, I'll try to get to know that person and see if I can become closer to him"
now youre saying you need to be already close to get a crush?
make up your mind.
See if I can become closer to him then. I already need to know the guy relatively well (as a classmate or whatever), but if I'm interested I'd still try to learn more.

I'm afraid the concept 'meet nice guy -> confess' doesn't really work for me. I already need to be comfortable around someone before I would even consider such feelings. Besides, I think the ideal is that you don't have to confess at all - if it's really love from both sides, the other should have noticed already.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on March 31, 2013, 07:05:55 PM
Worse than getting friendzoned.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bf849b2b03c4efb569050bf322eab95d/tumblr_mkh1b4SjUV1s83vl2o1_500.png) (http://textsfromtruecrossacademy.tumblr.com/post/46721894059/509-hes-very-warm-and-cuddly-thats-my)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: keemew2 on March 31, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
Awwwwww! Poor Yukio! He really needs to finbd someone to make him happy and Shiemi is NOT the one. I doubt Shura is the one either, really. I mean, I think it would be interesting, but I would be just as happy if they brought in another girl for him. One more....suited to his mind set. Hopefully they don't out in a femme fatale to toy with him though, that would definitely set him over the edge.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Penna on April 01, 2013, 08:51:27 PM
I feel that as long as Rin doesn't give up on pursuing Shiemi and still maintains his crush on her, Rin x Shiemi will always be possible. He seems to have A LOT of perseverance. Even after Shiemi told him that she will remain his "friend forever!" he still wants to go to the festival with her. 

Yukio X Shiemi could be the most possible pairing since their feelings are mutual, but the problem with Yukio x Shiemi is that neither other them have enough guts to raise their relationship to a romantic level and neither of them have tried to express their feelings for each other. Both of them seem content with the "peaceful" relationship they have now. This was okay when Rin (his only threat) wasn't in the picture yet, but now Rin is already starting to 1-up him in the romance department. He is the only one who has tried to express his feelings for Shiemi, although he was shot down the first time due to Shiemi's obliviousness, he still hasn't given up yet.

Or maybe I'm just speaking too soon? With the festival coming up, each of them finally have a perfect chance to act their crushes out. Rin has already decided on asking Shiemi out, but we have yet to see Yukio or Shiemi's mindset on this event. Will Yukio ask Shiemi? Will Shiemi ask Yukio? I'm already doubting the possibility of the former, but will Shiemi use the backbone she has grown throughout this series?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Buttercup on April 01, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
I'm sorry but I still dont view Shiemi as having a backbone. Sure she blows up once in a while but then goes back to being oblivious to anything and everyone around her. I personally think Shiemi only views Yukio as her brother type figure. I havent seen anything (Other than her giving Yukio a shamrock) that would suggest she has highten interest in him. RinxShiemi is what I ship. I think Yukio deserves someone he can protect but equally protect him as well.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: keemew2 on April 01, 2013, 11:03:08 PM
Anybody got any idea what kinda traits would best suit a possible love interest for Yukio?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on April 01, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
^ Stable. Strong-willed. Gentle, but able and willing to call him out on his crap when he goes off brooding.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: keemew2 on April 01, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
Those are good qualities.
She should also be practical, kind yet not afraid to state the truth, such calling him out like you said. Sensible. Not ill tempered like Shura.
While I do ship Yukio/Shura, I must admit her personality is a little rough for Yukio. I really do hope Kazue-sensei creates a character that Yukio could show signs of interest towards, someone who could pull him away from Shiemi. Though, right now Yukio views Shiemi as perfect, so it would definitely take time and he may be a bit blind to her at first. She would have to be proactive about it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on April 01, 2013, 11:17:50 PM
^ Honestly, I think Yukio isn't ready for a girl right now. He needs to sort himself out first.

While it might be possible for a new girl to help him with that, it would be rather cliche and even a bit Deus Ex Machina-like, if he suddenly opens up to her. I would prefer his brother to play a role in his rehabilitation... despite their differences, he is the one Yukio is closest to, so it would make the most sense.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: keemew2 on April 01, 2013, 11:25:51 PM
Oh, believe me, I don't expect anyone new like that showing up anytime soon. And if someone new did show up early, like say....in the next few chapters, I would suspect her as being a double agent for the badguys trying to get to Yukio for their own purposes. As Rin's brother he could be viewed as key to getting to Rin, or possible the weak link they need or something. I'm actually worried about that happening. I've been worried about it for about two weeks now when it first occured to me.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on April 18, 2013, 10:51:33 PM
I wonder if we'll really see Rin and Shiemi on a date. If we do, I guess that pretty much settles it.

Unless Kazue is planning to surprise us.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on April 19, 2013, 08:28:52 AM
^ Or maybe Shiemi'll just see it as a friendship date?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Paradox on April 19, 2013, 09:21:22 AM
^ I would bet on it. I think, we will see a lot of funny misunderstandings.
I'm surprised that I'm looking foward to seeing Shiemi in a dress at the festival. Rin in a suit is hot anyway, but Shiemi in a dress is unusual. In case there is a dress code of course.



Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on April 19, 2013, 11:18:17 AM
^ Or maybe Shiemi'll just see it as a friendship date?

She would, but it still tells us something about the writer's intentions.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on April 30, 2013, 11:53:13 PM
Okay, so Kazue did surprise us. Shiemi asked Yukio for the dance, but he refused.

I suppose this is a sign that the love triangle thing won't get resolved any time soon. Or should we take it to mean that romance will be playing a bigger role from now on?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on May 02, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
I think that shipping-wise it was a red herring. Shiemi invited Yukio for the dance but the truth is, it wasn't romantic at all.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on May 19, 2013, 05:14:51 PM
Even if it wasn't romantic, it does show that Shiemi doesn't care all that much about Rin. Or rather, she does care, but she's not really thinking about him. Last time in the Impure King arc, she was beating herself up because she hadn't noticed Rin's depression, but now she's doing the same thing again: not thinking about his feelings. It's not even that she's purposefully ignoring them, the question just never enters her mind. I mean, did she consider he might want to go to the party too? She must know he doesn't have many female friends. Did she even wonder what he wanted to ask her (you know, when he came running to her table all out of breath) at all?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on May 20, 2013, 06:57:22 AM
Agreeing with Anya here. As usual, Shiemi makes her decisions based on helping her friends - not out of romantic desire.

Even if it wasn't romantic, it does show that Shiemi doesn't care all that much about Rin. Or rather, she does care, but she's not really thinking about him. Last time in the Impure King arc, she was beating herself up because she hadn't noticed Rin's depression, but now she's doing the same thing again: not thinking about his feelings. It's not even that she's purposefully ignoring them, the question just never enters her mind. I mean, did she consider he might want to go to the party too? She must know he doesn't have many female friends. Did she even wonder what he wanted to ask her (you know, when he came running to her table all out of breath) at all?

I think she just doesn't notice romantic shit. Hell, she doesn't even notice when someone is insulting her.

Shiemi only invited Yukio for one reason - because Yukio has been acting tremendously out of character. She notices this because she's been around Yukio for several years. She wanted to use the concert to make him feel better. Nothing romantic about that.

She's only known Rin for half a year. She's never dealt with any other guys. Of course she doesn't notice the signs that he likes her.

Once she does know about it, she'd probably feel very upset. But up to that point, she's simply oblivious and is imposing her skewed views on the situation. I can't blame her for that since none of the other characters has sat her down and had a talk about this.

And case comparison: to someone oblivious to interpersonal relationships, a total meltdown of a friend is far more obvious than amorous advances of an associate.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on May 20, 2013, 09:50:43 AM
^ I'm not even talking about romantic implications. If she wants to go with Yukio just for fun, it's not such a stretch to consider that other people might want to go for fun, too.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on May 20, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
I think she just doesn't notice romantic shit. Hell, she doesn't even notice when someone is insulting her.
Yup, that's Shiemi.


And case comparison: to someone oblivious to interpersonal relationships, a total meltdown of a friend is far more obvious than amorous advances of an associate.
Well said.


^ I'm not even talking about romantic implications. If she wants to go with Yukio just for fun, it's not such a stretch to consider that other people might want to go for fun, too.
It's not Shiemi's job to give people fun time. There's something wrong with Yukio and she wanted to cheer him up whereas Rin looked cheerful until she told him about Yukio.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on May 20, 2013, 09:06:37 PM
^ It's not Shiemi's job to give people fun time, but if she's calling Rin her friend, it wouldn't hurt to consider his feelings once in a while.

Instead, she hurt him. Again. I know she doesn't have much experience, but she better learn fast if she doesn't want to lose the few friends she has, because right now she's making Rin suffer more than anything.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on May 25, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
^ She's a very good and caring friend, just a horrible girlfriend material, for now.

It's not like she doesn't care for Rin's feelings, she is not aware of them.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: keemew2 on June 01, 2013, 05:57:50 AM
That's one of the problems with typical Shounen female characters. They don't go into a lot of thought about everyone. There purpose is to suit the authors needs at the time, and if it muddles their character a bit, so what? That's one of the reasons I like a good book more often. People think more clearly and the author (usually) sticks with strict guidelines to keep all characters within the realm of plausibility. Shiemi's obliviousness to others feelings on some occasions, as apposed to others, is continually changing.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Grieves on June 05, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
I'm surprised to not see Rin/Yukio in the poll, I was under the impression it was the most popular ship by far.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on June 05, 2013, 01:08:28 PM
It is. But the person who made the poll only included straight ships for some reason.

We've got a thread for yaoi though.
http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,21.0.html
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on June 13, 2013, 09:54:27 PM
Rin x Izumo is my deal...

and... how do you date with a sword?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on June 14, 2013, 06:36:04 AM
^ If it's Arthur, I'm sure he could do it
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 20, 2013, 06:12:09 AM
hi everyone
anya and earthforge, as cynical as ever I see ^ ^

hahahaha shiemi and yukio are so cute


http://www.mangareader.net/ao-no-exorcist/44/31
and mephisto is so creepy T T
seriously. what the bloody hell XD
am I the only one who jumped back after scrolling down?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on June 20, 2013, 07:48:28 AM
Hey Chino! Nice to see you again :D
And what do you mean Mephisto's creepy? He's simply spying on two of his students in one of their houses, while they share a private moment together. There's nothing wrong with that at all *sarcasm*
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 05, 2013, 04:55:08 AM
Someone on the chat last night posted this:

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[5:28 AM] wondersmith: thats why i ship Yukio and shura
[5:28 AM] wondersmith: she fights back
[5:28 AM] wondersmith: doesn't let him wallow in his own self-hatred
[5:29 AM] wondersmith: rin on the other hand needs someone who is very accepting
[5:29 AM] wondersmith: someone like shura would just reinforce his negative self image
[5:29 AM] wondersmith: sorry, this suddenly became my ship manifesto:P

I don't ship Yukio x Shura myself, but s/he does have a point. With Shiemi, Yukio might be able to 'feel at peace', but it would do little to stop his downfall if his self-loathing gets the better of him. He might actually be better off with someone who slaps some sense into him, though they shouldn't intentionally try and get on his nerves (I actually think the relationship between him and Shura is not healthy. Her constant teasing only makes him frustrated more).

Rin... well, ironically, he has the same problem, which is low self-esteem. But he is much more open to advice, so someone telling him he's great might actually work in this case. I do think he benefits more from his relationship with Shiemi than Yukio does atm.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 05, 2013, 06:15:07 AM
Yukio is the only person who can fix Yukio. He is a horrible choice for serious shipping right now because of his wealth of self-denial.

Rin, OTOH, is much more emotionally healthy and thus has more relationships. I think he is prime shipping material for that reason. You could ship him with almost anyone.

Except for Renzou now. That ship just went completely shady, along with RenzouxIzumo.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 05, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
I still like Renzou/Izumo! It just got a little bit more... complicated and, erm, lively. Got some colors, you know :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on August 05, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
I still like Renzou/Izumo! It just got a little bit more... complicated and, erm, lively. Got some colors, you know :D

Right?!! Its more angsty and full of betrayal, but knowing shima he would probably be charming and he'd probably be his 'old self' in his demeanor, but knowing izumo she would be angry and unforgiving{with a reason} and yesssss, i like this. I thought RenzouxIzumo was cute before, now i think its caliente.

i also ship RinxIzumo for reasons that to me Rin and Shima are both similar, shima being a little for perverted, but I can see why I ship her with rin. Since the bath incident and rin saw izumo crying, I couldnt get this ship out of my head *guilty*
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on August 05, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
I'm starting to like RenzouxIzumo more after the newest chapter :D I don't mind BonxIzumo either, but they would never admit liking each other.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on August 05, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
I'm starting to like RenzouxIzumo more after the newest chapter :D I don't mind BonxIzumo either, but they would never admit liking each other.

Yes, both Bon and Izumo are too hardheaded to admit that ;) the way they argue is the way they show their love for eachother.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 13, 2013, 11:03:52 AM
Some lovely Izumo/Shima pages :D

http://mangahead.com/index.php/Manga-Raw-Scan/Ao-no-Exorcist/Ao-no-Exorcist-48-Raw-Scan/?page=2
pages 28, 34 and 35

Edit: fixed links
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 13, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
^ Your links don't work.

But I must say that the Izumo/Shima ship is all but dead for me. She was finally starting to open up a little, and then he stabbed her in the back (both literally and figuratively). She'll never forgive him. Even if for some reason he manages to make it back into the group, I don't think Izumo will ever talk to him again.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 14, 2013, 08:48:56 PM
^ That's too harsh. Ok, he stabbed her but at the same time he got a lot more interesting, powerful, mysterious and interested in her - in a twisted way, I admit, but still. If he keeps up that approach she will have to change her attitude to more serious, for good or bad.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 15, 2013, 12:13:27 AM
^keep what approach?

abducting her? confining her and using her?


she is going to take him more seriously but not in the way you hope for

if nothing else, she will be scared of him and that will turn into hate not interest.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 15, 2013, 05:02:59 AM
I don't think that rules out a possible ship happening way in the future (if Renzou redeems himself and whatnot).

But for now, yeah, the ship has sunk. Currently RenzouxIzumo has as much going for it as ToudouxMamushi did - which is nothing but creepiness.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Blightstrider on August 15, 2013, 07:23:14 AM
Hey, sinking the opposing ships makes my RinXIzumo sail all the more smoother.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 15, 2013, 06:02:52 PM
^I dont think rin has more chances now. in truth, he probably has less.

now someone really betrayed her, izumo's trust issues might get worst. and towards everyone.


but anyway, its not like he cares about his chances with izumo.

. . . and if rin starts being interested in izumo now shes a damsel in distress, then his kink will become obvious.
hahahah xD  I hope he doesnt.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 15, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
I don't think that rules out a possible ship happening way in the future (if Renzou redeems himself and whatnot)
Yeah, exactly. Actually, we can't even be sure he needs redemption since we don't know for sure what's happening and why he did what he did. Sure, being stabbed is not nice, but is this ship really worse than Izumo/Bon slapping each other or actually Shima's older bro and Mamushi if it was for Izumo's own good?

. . . and if rin starts being interested in izumo now shes a damsel in distress, then his kink will become obvious.
hahahah xD  I hope he doesnt.
Kink, lol. I think he just likes Shiemi for her personality. But I see your point.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 17, 2013, 09:23:27 PM
I don't think that rules out a possible ship happening way in the future (if Renzou redeems himself and whatnot)
Yeah, exactly. Actually, we can't even be sure he needs redemption since we don't know for sure what's happening and why he did what he did. Sure, being stabbed is not nice, but is this ship really worse than Izumo/Bon slapping each other or actually Shima's older bro and Mamushi if it was for Izumo's own good?

Izumo/Bon never had that many chances either. But yes, stabbing someone in the back while abducting her is definitely worse than taking a swing at a classmate. The latter is so minor it's barely worth a scolding, while the former is a serious crime (even if you do it to protect someone, kidnapping and assault are still highly illegal).

As for Shima's older bro and Mamushi, what are you even talking about? She literally said that she wouldn't think of being with him as a punishment, and it was strongly implied that they slept together the night before (without him forcing the matter). Are we comparing mutual love with kidnapping now? 'Cause it's really not the same thing, and it never will be.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 17, 2013, 11:14:32 PM
Izumo/Bon never had that many chances either. But yes, stabbing someone in the back while abducting her is definitely worse than taking a swing at a classmate. The latter is so minor it's barely worth a scolding, while the former is a serious crime (even if you do it to protect someone, kidnapping and assault are still highly illegal).
Illegal or not is irrelevant.
Sometimes you need to do something illegal for your or other people's own good.
Renzou didn't harm izumo. And if in the end theres a really good explanation for what he did, I dont think she will hold it against him.

On the other hand, with ryuuji who manhandles izumo because he doesnt like her attitude, its obvious they resent each other.


Though, for juuzou and mamushi, no one can argue they don't like each other. :/
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 18, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
^ He did harm her. He stabbed her. She's clearly hurting.

You could make a case for kidnapping, but there's no excuse for what he did there. If he wanted to keep her with him, he could just have told her to stay close to him; she trusted him, there's no reason to assume she wouldn't have done it. Instead, he attacked her, and in such a low way at that.

And then there's the whole 'murdering a classmate' thing, which I don't think Izumo would appreciate... besides, even if she doesn't hold it against him, there's still the fact that she hated his guts to begin with. Maybe she could learn to talk to him normally again (if he has a good explanation), but I honestly don't think any romance between those two will stand a chance...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 18, 2013, 12:58:45 AM
I'm feel stupid right now, so not that much in the mood for debate, but I'll still try.

ok T T
He did harm her. He stabbed her. She's clearly hurting.
He told her: It's alright *in a kind way*. This much will only make you faint.
I dont think it hurt or harmed her.
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You could make a case for kidnapping, but there's no excuse for what he did there. If he wanted to keep her with him, he could just have told her to stay close to him; she trusted him, there's no reason to assume she wouldn't have done it. Instead, he attacked her, and in such a low way at that.
I know there are little chances he has a good reason.
But if we say he has one, along the lines of this theory
(click to show/hide)
then he might deserve to be forgiven.
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And then there's the whole 'murdering a classmate' thing, which I don't think Izumo would appreciate...
if we go with the above theory, this could just be another lie.
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besides, even if she doesn't hold it against him, there's still the fact that she hated his guts to begin with.
Thats nothing he can't work on. If thats the only problem left.
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Maybe she could learn to talk to him normally again (if he has a good explanation), but I honestly don't think any romance between those two will stand a chance...
if he has a good explanation that can demonstrate it was all for izumo's own good (like anya said), I think it has as much chances as it had before this chapter, maybe more.


but I dont think it was for izumo's own good. so I dont think she'll forgive him.
unless she's the one who bring him back somehow.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 18, 2013, 06:58:20 PM
I'm actually completely on chino's side for once, haha :D And he said it all so well too.

Izumo/Bon never had that many chances either. But yes, stabbing someone in the back while abducting her is definitely worse than taking a swing at a classmate. The latter is so minor it's barely worth a scolding, while the former is a serious crime (even if you do it to protect someone, kidnapping and assault are still highly illegal).
Slapping each other, manhandling a girl proves complete lack of respect, is a disguising thing to do, a crime and I would feel sick to watch any relationship growing out of such behavior.

Now what did Shima actually do?
Did he stab her? No, the weapon doesn't hurt bodies. Did he hurt her soul? No, this much only made her unconscious. Did he kidnap her? No, he only didn't let her leave his side in a battle between unknown powerful enemies. Did he handle her without care or respect? Far from it, actually, he apologized, hold her with care and looked overall protective. Did he hit her in the back? Well, she was already running and the situation was rather dangerous. Would stabbing her in the chest be so much better or is it just nitpicking?

Now if anyone can prove that he did it because he wants to imprison/rape her/actually made her suffer in any way or let his boss do it - I'm all ears (eyes).

As for Shima's older bro and Mamushi, what are you even talking about? She literally said that she wouldn't think of being with him as a punishment, and it was strongly implied that they slept together the night before (without him forcing the matter).
I mean the cuts and bruises he had after another night. So it's a rough love, but I believe they do respect each other. It's not "shut up!-slap" kind of mutual love...

^ He did harm her. He stabbed her. She's clearly hurting.
She's intact and sleeping. Doesn't look dramatic, apart from drooling.

You could make a case for kidnapping, but there's no excuse for what he did there. If he wanted to keep her with him, he could just have told her to stay close to him; she trusted him, there's no reason to assume she wouldn't have done it. Instead, he attacked her, and in such a low way at that.
Yeah, right, she'd do as he told her, haha. He seemed to know much better than her what's going on there and what are their chances with enemies, so I'd say he was excused to do as he thought would be better, the fastest way he could think of. And 'low way'? Seriously, what's so good about being stabbed in the chest? He didn't have time to circle around her.


And then there's the whole 'murdering a classmate' thing, which I don't think Izumo would appreciate...
I think she would even less if said classmate didn't try to kill/kidnap her after luring her out with her sister's luck charm just a moment earlier.


besides, even if she doesn't hold it against him, there's still the fact that she hated his guts to begin with.
Like lame teenage flirting was the greatest obstacle for a normal relationship later on, ever.



Shima/Izumo reminds me a bit...... Twilight (it's still a better love story than Twilight). I didn't read or watch it so I might be mistaken but there's many hilarious reviews out there. So apparently what makes teenage girls swoon over Edward and love his relationship with Bella is how he forces his 'protection' on her. What would be toxic, oppressing kind of one-sided relationship in reality is perceived as knight and his damsel in distress by Twilight fans. So I wonder if Shima isn't meant to be the vampire in similar kind of relationship, only with a Bella (Izumo) who is actually a well-written and strong character. Ah, I probably didn't make myself clear, again.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 18, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
Izumo/Bon never had that many chances either. But yes, stabbing someone in the back while abducting her is definitely worse than taking a swing at a classmate. The latter is so minor it's barely worth a scolding, while the former is a serious crime (even if you do it to protect someone, kidnapping and assault are still highly illegal).
Slapping each other, manhandling a girl proves complete lack of respect, is a disguising thing to do, a crime and I would feel sick to watch any relationship growing out of such behavior.

Haha! Well, that's funny. I would feel the same way about Izumo getting a relationship with that dirty backstabber.

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Now what did Shima actually do?
Did he stab her? No, the weapon doesn't hurt bodies. Did he hurt her soul? No, this much only made her unconscious. Did he kidnap her? No, he only didn't let her leave his side in a battle between unknown powerful enemies. Did he handle her without care or respect? Far from it, actually, he apologized, hold her with care and looked overall protective. Did he hit her in the back? Well, she was already running and the situation was rather dangerous. Would stabbing her in the chest be so much better or is it just nitpicking?

Now if anyone can prove that he did it because he wants to imprison/rape her/actually made her suffer in any way or let his boss do it - I'm all ears (eyes).

He attacked her with violence, rather than just asking to stay close to him. If that's not lack of care and respect, I don't know what is.

Also, we have every reason to believe that he is out to kidnap her.

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Shima/Izumo reminds me a bit...... Twilight (it's still a better love story than Twilight). I didn't read or watch it so I might be mistaken but there's many hilarious reviews out there. So apparently what makes teenage girls swoon over Edward and love his relationship with Bella is how he forces his 'protection' on her. What would be toxic, oppressing kind of one-sided relationship in reality is perceived as knight and his damsel in distress by Twilight fans. So I wonder if Shima isn't meant to be the vampire in similar kind of relationship, only with a Bella (Izumo) who is actually a well-written and strong character. Ah, I probably didn't make myself clear, again.

I hope not, because then I will probably just stop reading the series. There are plenty of teenage girls that swoon over rape as well, but many more people are turned off by it. I believe a mainstream shonen author like Kato should have the brains to realise that the people who like that kind of stuff are a very select public, and that catering to them would cost her more readers than it would gain (especially since AnE wasn't meant for crazy fangirls to begin with).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 18, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
Fun fun!

Slapping each other, manhandling a girl proves complete lack of respect, is a disguising thing to do, a crime and I would feel sick to watch any relationship growing out of such behavior.

Izumo and Bon choose to fight each other. Izumo takes potshots at Bon by mocking his ambitions and general nastiness. Bon takes potshots at her in like kind. Neither is taking advantage of the other. There is no deception. There is hostility, but it is distilling to mutual respect. Their relationship is heading towards Vitriolic Best Buds.

But Renzou... Renzou has never fought on Izumo's terms. She has made it clear that she can't stand him but she trusted him enough to leave the battle to him. Renzou took advantage of that trust, knocking her out and seeking to deliver her to the hands of the Illuminati.

We don't know if Renzou is being coerced or controlled. But he did betray her. Izumo has always been afraid of the pain of betrayal. She has avoided that by acting like the biggest bitch in the room and trusting no one. That way she wouldn't be upset if anyone betrayed her.

Renzou hit her in her most vulnerable spot - her trust.

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Shima/Izumo reminds me a bit...... Twilight (it's still a better love story than Twilight). I didn't read or watch it so I might be mistaken but there's many hilarious reviews out there. So apparently what makes teenage girls swoon over Edward and love his relationship with Bella is how he forces his 'protection' on her. What would be toxic, oppressing kind of one-sided relationship in reality is perceived as knight and his damsel in distress by Twilight fans. So I wonder if Shima isn't meant to be the vampire in similar kind of relationship, only with a Bella (Izumo) who is actually a well-written and strong character. Ah, I probably didn't make myself clear, again.

I understand what you're getting at, but a good rule of thumb: never compare something to Twilight. I'd be slammed with the tomatoes of the internet in seconds if I made such a comparison on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 18, 2013, 10:19:51 PM
^ ^^
What you two dont seem to understand is Anya talk about it from the perspective of shima having good intentions.


There is hostility, but it is distilling to mutual respect. Their relationship is heading towards Vitriolic Best Buds.
I think, the only thing they respect is how hardheaded each other are.
Other than that, theyre highly disrespectful.

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We don't know if Renzou is being coerced or controlled.
I see you dont like my theory.
edit: the one about renzou choosing to be a spy on his own.
not the one about renzou being a good guy.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 19, 2013, 11:10:04 AM
Haha! Well, that's funny. I would feel the same way about Izumo getting a relationship with that dirty backstabber.
We don't have any information yet who is the good guy in that fight and what Shima has in mind.

He attacked her with violence, rather than just asking to stay close to him. If that's not lack of care and respect, I don't know what is.
Again. After her speech about being done with being a damsel she would agree to stay behind his back?

Please.

It was obvious that he had better understanding of the situation and he was the only one capable of fighting Takara. He decided he had a good reason to stab her and I am absolutely sure he didn't do it because he wanted to harm her.

Also, we have every reason to believe that he is out to kidnap her.
We also have every reason to believe the Order is led by two disguising brutal douchebags as opposed to honorable and composed family guys from Illuminati. Even if Shima is Illuminati spy, I'll save my judgment till we know something more.

I hope not, because then I will probably just stop reading the series.
You would? I'm curious.


Izumo and Bon choose to fight each other. Izumo takes potshots at Bon by mocking his ambitions and general nastiness. Bon takes potshots at her in like kind. Neither is taking advantage of the other. There is no deception. There is hostility, but it is distilling to mutual respect. Their relationship is heading towards Vitriolic Best Buds.
I got lost when vicious slapping was meant to turn into respect. I mean, it's fiction and everything may happen but manhandling isn't what I would call a step towards respect.

But Renzou... Renzou has never fought on Izumo's terms. She has made it clear that she can't stand him but she trusted him enough to leave the battle to him. Renzou took advantage of that trust, knocking her out and seeking to deliver her to the hands of the Illuminati.
For a start, Renzou never fought Izumo, period, if that may be an argument here. He was annoying, yes, is that a crime?
Second, if it's about "OMG I TRUSTED YOUUU!" then I tend to not take offense if the "betrayal" saves my life in process or at least was meant to help me. And again, I'm not sure Shima is the bad guy here, even if he does plan to take her to his boss.

But he did betray her. Izumo has always been afraid of the pain of betrayal.    Renzou hit her in her most vulnerable spot - her trust.
The smell of emo in the morning.  :-\

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I understand what you're getting at, but a good rule of thumb: never compare something to Twilight. I'd be slammed with the tomatoes of the internet in seconds if I made such a comparison on Tumblr.
I'm not on tumblr. Don't point them in my direction :D

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What you two dont seem to understand is Anya talk about it from the perspective of shima having good intentions.
Why, thank you. Not only Shima may have good intentions (which I believe even many criminals have). He may actually be a good guy here. We don't know it yet. And I wouldn't judge his motifs only on how he hurt someone's feelings in the middle of a difficult battle.

I think, the only thing they respect is how hardheaded each other are.
Other than that, theyre highly disrespectful.
I haven't yet seen any sign of respect between the two. Unless it's not fighting for a week or two.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 19, 2013, 03:18:48 PM
Haha! Well, that's funny. I would feel the same way about Izumo getting a relationship with that dirty backstabber.
We don't have any information yet who is the good guy in that fight and what Shima has in mind.

Well, we know that Shima is working for an organisation that loves to set giant poisonous demons loose at unsuspecting cities, that he refrained from using his abilities in a situation where this could have saved lives, and that he didn't hesitate to try and murder a fellow student. Even if we can't be 100% sure of his intentions yet, it's hardly true that we don't have any information at all - and the information we do have all points in the same direction.


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He attacked her with violence, rather than just asking to stay close to him. If that's not lack of care and respect, I don't know what is.
Again. After her speech about being done with being a damsel she would agree to stay behind his back?

Please.

It was obvious that he had better understanding of the situation and he was the only one capable of fighting Takara. He decided he had a good reason to stab her and I am absolutely sure he didn't do it because he wanted to harm her.

Better understanding of the situation? Takara was never planning to hurt Izumo. He wasn't even on the attack anymore when Shima made that move. Even if you argue that Shima thought what he did was best, our perspective makes it clear that the move was totally unnecessary - if he was doing it to protect Izumo.

And besides, why was it necessary for Izumo to stay close to him in the first place? If he was the only one capable of fighting Takara (who, again, wasn't even fighting anymore), he could have kept him busy while Izumo got away. It was pretty clear that there were plenty of other exorcists nearby that could have helped protecting her once she went calling for help.


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Also, we have every reason to believe that he is out to kidnap her.
We also have every reason to believe the Order is led by two disguising brutal douchebags as opposed to honorable and composed family guys from Illuminati. Even if Shima is Illuminati spy, I'll save my judgment till we know something more.

Honorable and composed..? Are you talking about Toudou? :o You do remember that the Illuminati were prepared to wipe out the entire city of Kyoto with their little Impure King debacle, right?

The Order isn't perfect, but we have yet to see them contemplate mass murder of innocent citizens.

Also, fighting bad guys doesn't necessarily make you a good guy. It's very possible that the Order and the Illuminati are both full of douchebags. In fact, from what we've seen so far, it seems likely.


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I hope not, because then I will probably just stop reading the series.
You would? I'm curious.

If she would include a Kidnapper/abuser/stalker x helpless victim pairing and picture it as a healthy relationship? Oh yes. This is the reason why I have to search long and hard to find any yaoi manga suiting my taste (yaoi authors have this weird interpretation of consent), but it's also something I don't compromise on.

But I don't think I have to worry too much. Yukio & Rin already have the overprotective, slightly abusive love-hate relationship covered, and it isn't seen as a good thing.


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Izumo and Bon choose to fight each other. Izumo takes potshots at Bon by mocking his ambitions and general nastiness. Bon takes potshots at her in like kind. Neither is taking advantage of the other. There is no deception. There is hostility, but it is distilling to mutual respect. Their relationship is heading towards Vitriolic Best Buds.
I got lost when vicious slapping was meant to turn into respect. I mean, it's fiction and everything may happen but manhandling isn't what I would call a step towards respect.

Izumo is the one who did the vicious slapping. And she isn't much nicer to Shima, so... I think you're blowing holes in your own ship here.


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But Renzou... Renzou has never fought on Izumo's terms. She has made it clear that she can't stand him but she trusted him enough to leave the battle to him. Renzou took advantage of that trust, knocking her out and seeking to deliver her to the hands of the Illuminati.
For a start, Renzou never fought Izumo, period, if that may be an argument here. He was annoying, yes, is that a crime?
Second, if it's about "OMG I TRUSTED YOUUU!" then I tend to not take offense if the "betrayal" saves my life in process or at least was meant to help me. And again, I'm not sure Shima is the bad guy here, even if he does plan to take her to his boss.

We have no indication at all that the Order was planning to hurt her, so... how exactly did he save her life? What was he protecting her from? If it was just from Takara, there would be no reason to take her to anyone but Shura (and we know Takara wasn't really trying to hurt her in the first place).


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What you two dont seem to understand is Anya talk about it from the perspective of shima having good intentions.
Why, thank you. Not only Shima may have good intentions (which I believe even many criminals have). He may actually be a good guy here. We don't know it yet. And I wouldn't judge his motifs only on how he hurt someone's feelings in the middle of a difficult battle.

That's... not really the issue here.

We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time. But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 19, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
Izumo and Bon choose to fight each other. Izumo takes potshots at Bon by mocking his ambitions and general nastiness. Bon takes potshots at her in like kind. Neither is taking advantage of the other. There is no deception. There is hostility, but it is distilling to mutual respect. Their relationship is heading towards Vitriolic Best Buds.
I got lost when vicious slapping was meant to turn into respect. I mean, it's fiction and everything may happen but manhandling isn't what I would call a step towards respect.

They manhandle each other. That's why I think they understand what they are getting into whenever they interact. Heck, I think they even find it fun. My estimation is that they will become Vitriolic Best Buds. They aren't there yet, but I think they'll get there soon. But I think they do respect each other at least at a low level -- something must have kept them from killing each other.

For a start, Renzou never fought Izumo, period, if that may be an argument here. He was annoying, yes, is that a crime?

I refer to the "merry" war he wages with Izumo (Much Ado About Nothing reference). I consider that another kind of fight, but that's just me.

Second, if it's about "OMG I TRUSTED YOUUU!" then I tend to not take offense if the "betrayal" saves my life in process or at least was meant to help me. And again, I'm not sure Shima is the bad guy here, even if he does plan to take her to his boss.

Ah, but you don't have crippling trust issues that makes you act like a total bitch who deliberately alienates everyone.

Renzou might or might not be a bad guy. I like chino's view that Renzou might've chose this, though I don't want it to overlap with Yukio's arc.

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I understand what you're getting at, but a good rule of thumb: never compare something to Twilight. I'd be slammed with the tomatoes of the internet in seconds if I made such a comparison on Tumblr.
I'm not on tumblr. Don't point them in my direction :D

Neither am I. I'm also not on reddit or gawker. I just observe the crazy in all. It helps to have a redditor brother and a Gawker mom always going at it with the most bullshit of talking points.

I think, the only thing they respect is how hardheaded each other are.
Other than that, theyre highly disrespectful.
I haven't yet seen any sign of respect between the two. Unless it's not fighting for a week or two.

But they *love* fighting each other. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.

We also have every reason to believe the Order is led by two disguising brutal douchebags as opposed to honorable and composed family guys from Illuminati.

You are... saying... that Toudou is a family guy?

(http://www.nwps.ws/pub/forum-gifs/conan-rofl.gif)

Mr. "I hate my family too so we're like totally the same bro! Plus, you're totally like a demon and stuffs!"?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 19, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
I haven't yet seen any sign of respect between the two. Unless it's not fighting for a week or two.
ryuuji even said out loud he agrees with her. Its fair to believe they respect this side of each other.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v11/c045/12.html

And besides, why was it necessary for Izumo to stay close to him in the first place?
In the theory of shima being a good guy who fakes being the illuminati spy,
he would do it to prevent izumo from falling upon the real spy on her way for help.
and he couldnt tell her out loud, that would have ruined his plan.

Izumo is the one who did the vicious slapping. And she isn't much nicer to Shima, so... I think you're blowing holes in your own ship here.
izumo doesnt respect renzou but he respects her. so at least he has that going for him.

We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time.
Renzou hurt izumo's feeling all the time? :/

But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
he never wanted to murder her. where do you get that from?
lets be honest T T



All the rest of this discussion is going in circles.
because you are debating on something (if its still possible to ship renzou and izumo) but dont agree on the premise (if renzou as good or bad intentions towards izumo)

if you want to debate renzou's intentions, do so, but do it on its own.

if you want to debate on renzou's chances with izumo, do it understanding you dont agree on the premise.

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They manhandle each other. That's why I think they understand what they are getting into whenever they interact. Heck, I think they even find it fun. My estimation is that they will become Vitriolic Best Buds. They aren't there yet, but I think they'll get there soon. But I think they do respect each other at least at a low level -- something must have kept them from killing each other.
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But they *love* fighting each other. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.
I dont get how you see this.
theyre certainly not having fun.

Renzou might or might not be a bad guy. I like chino's view that Renzou might've chose this, though I don't want it to overlap with Yukio's arc.
I dont think it will. especially if yukio always stays loyal to the order.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 19, 2013, 05:06:36 PM
We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time.
Renzou hurt izumo's feeling all the time? :/

She told him she doesn't want anything to do with him, like, 15 times, and he still keeps asking her and running after her and making kissy noises at her, even though it is so very clear that this is annoying her. It's especially obvious in the Kraken arc, where she couldn't make it more obvious that his behaviour is making her uncomfortable (I'd even say she is feeling threatened, though I guess that's a matter of interpretation).

http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html

Maybe it's me, but I think that constantly annoying a girl after she repeatedly rejected you is a pretty clear sign that you don't care too much about the girl's feelings. For me, what he does constitutes as harassment, and harassment is never romantic.


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But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
he never wanted to murder her. where do you get that from?
lets be honest T T

I was talking about Takara. Even if they were fighting, they fact that he was immediately ready to destroy the guy's soul makes it hard for me to see Shima as a good guy. Rin wouldn't do that. Even Yukio wouldn't. Regardless of circumstances, it shows us something about his attitude and it's not pretty.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 19, 2013, 05:59:23 PM
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But they *love* fighting each other. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.
I dont get how you see this.
theyre certainly not having fun.

Izumo enjoys mocking Bon and Bon enjoys mocking her. They find it irritating and enraging but they wouldn't annoy each other if it wasn't fun to watch.

Renzou might or might not be a bad guy. I like chino's view that Renzou might've chose this, though I don't want it to overlap with Yukio's arc.
I dont think it will. especially if yukio always stays loyal to the order.

Maybe, but I think that the answers to Yukio's questions ("why were we saved" in particular) lie outside of the Order. I don't think he can remain loyal to the Order to answer those questions.

She told him she doesn't want anything to do with him, like, 15 times, and he still keeps asking her and running after her and making kissy noises at her, even though it is so very clear that this is annoying her. It's especially obvious in the Kraken arc, where she couldn't make it more obvious that his behaviour is making her uncomfortable (I'd even say she is feeling threatened, though I guess that's a matter of interpretation).

The RenzouxIzumo ship has always been on a knife's edge. You're right -- harassment is very disturbing. But up to now, their interactions have been Played For Laughs. It's hard to consider Renzou as a serious creep when he is drawn so ridiculous. In mangaverse, we don't know whether Renzou's actions were just exaggerated for humor or if they were drawn in all seriousness. In general, tsunderes are portrayed as always rejecting any attention despite still being interested. Izumo has never appeared threatened by Renzou -- either because she sorta liked the attention or because she never considered him dangerous.

In general, the ship up to now has been standard tsundere/letch fare. But now that Renzou has, well, backstabbed her, their relationship is put in a creepy context. If you apply that willingness to backstab her to his previous dealings, all of the innocuous adolescent pursuing turns very disturbing.

Haha. That reminds me - this is why Renzou was so obsessed with the Festival. That'd be his last chance to enjoy a normal high school event.

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Even if they were fighting, they fact that he was immediately ready to destroy the guy's soul makes it hard for me to see Shima as a good guy. Rin wouldn't do that. Even Yukio wouldn't. Regardless of circumstances, it shows us something about his attitude and it's not pretty.

Personal opinion ahead: That actually didn't bother me. Renzou has generally been pragmatic in combat. Last time, he was correct about escaping the IK as an option, as they didn't have Ucchusma yet. Now he was ready to take out Mephisto's spy because Takara could've blown his cover. He's cold. That will make him an excellent exorcist, though. I find that less disturbing than Rin and Yukio, who are extremely volatile. If you push either into a rage, they won't just kill - they will butcher.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 19, 2013, 06:28:36 PM
being annoying deosnt hurt people's feelings.
and being who you are isnt a lack of care fore someone else's feelings.
sexual harassment, if thats what your talking about, is when the person being flirted somehow cant turn the other person down.


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I was talking about Takara.
ok

sorry it was long to reply even though Im connected, I had something to attend to. actually I still have.


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earthforge, thanks. (its ok if you dont understand why Im thanking you.)
almost everyone thinks being cold blooded is the worst thing a human being could be while killing out of passion are fine for most of them.
I never got that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 19, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
Chino is right, one thing we can agree about is if Shima or Illuminati is really evil.

The scene with the paladin (I always hated) and his friend torturing an Illuminati guy (earthforge: by family guy I meant the guy whose family was dragged to the torture cellar) should give us a hint that there may be something more than good Order vs. evil Illuminati going on here. Even if Toudou (whom I dislike more than most posters here, actually) is with them, some of them look much nicer than some of the Order people.

And about murdering fellow student - c'mon, no one here likes him, especially since showing Izumo that creepy mascot and then attacking her, some think that he's a demon. Why would anyone now defend him? And against Shima who is one of Rin's best friend and the first of the Kyoto trio who talked to him? It's hypocrisy, defending him now only to back up arguments against Renzou.

1. Better understanding of the situation? 2. Takara was never planning to hurt Izumo. 3. He wasn't even on the attack anymore when Shima made that move. 4. Even if you argue that Shima thought what he did was best, our perspective makes it clear that the move was totally unnecessary - if he was doing it to protect Izumo.
1. Yeah, calling Takara Mephisto's puppet shows that he knows what's going on between the top players.
2. Izumo herself would beg to differ when she was attacked by a giant transformer.
3. A couple of seconds of silence when Takara was licking his wounds. He's now ready to fight again.
4. I don't understand you. Imo Shima could thinkhe was doing the best he could do and it definitely was neccessary, because otherwise Izumo would left.

And besides, why was it necessary for Izumo to stay close to him in the first place? If he was the only one capable of fighting Takara (who, again, wasn't even fighting anymore), he could have kept him busy while Izumo got away. It was pretty clear that there were plenty of other exorcists nearby that could have helped protecting her once she went calling for help.
As I said, we don't know what Shima knows or intends.


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Izumo is the one who did the vicious slapping. And she isn't much nicer to Shima, so... I think you're blowing holes in your own ship here.
Bzuh? How? Renzou, unlike Bon, never fought Izumo, he actually flirts with her. Izumo is annoyed with Renzou, but she doesn't viciously manhandle him like Bon. The difference is very clear to me.


We have no indication at all that the Order was planning to hurt her, so... how exactly did he save her life? What was he protecting her from? If it was just from Takara, there would be no reason to take her to anyone but Shura
I'm not good at divination, but it's something to discuss, isn't it?

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(and we know Takara wasn't really trying to hurt her in the first place).
See above.


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We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time. But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
That's not stalking, he's flirting and she is not amused. He didn't kidnap her and if he plans to, we don't know his motifs. Murder? You mean with the weapon that doesn't hurt humans?



They manhandle each other. That's why I think they understand what they are getting into whenever they interact. Heck, I think they even find it fun. My estimation is that they will become Vitriolic Best Buds. They aren't there yet, but I think they'll get there soon. But I think they do respect each other at least at a low level -- something must have kept them from killing each other.
That is romantic indeed.

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Second, if it's about "OMG I TRUSTED YOUUU!" then I tend to not take offense if the "betrayal" saves my life in process or at least was meant to help me. And again, I'm not sure Shima is the bad guy here, even if he does plan to take her to his boss.

Ah, but you don't have crippling trust issues that makes you act like a total bitch who deliberately alienates everyone.
So Izumo has issues, why is that Renzou's fault that she makes her life harder?


But they *love* fighting each other. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.
I never heard of a war starting because it's fun.


ryuuji even said out loud he agrees with her. Its fair to believe they respect this side of each other.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v11/c045/12.html
So they happened to agree on something. *shrug*


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In the theory of shima being a good guy who fakes being the illuminati spy,
he would do it to prevent izumo from falling upon the real spy on her way for help.
and he couldnt tell her out loud, that would have ruined his plan.
It's a theory good as any other. What if he was acting on Myou Dha's orders. They are scheming something too.


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We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time.
Renzou hurt izumo's feeling all the time? :/

She told him she doesn't want anything to do with him, like, 15 times, and he still keeps asking her and running after her and making kissy noises at her, even though it is so very clear that this is annoying her.
Apparently when you don't flirt skillfully it's horribly disrespectful. Kissy noises, that bastard...


I was talking about Takara. Even if they were fighting, they fact that he was immediately ready to destroy the guy's soul makes it hard for me to see Shima as a good guy. Rin wouldn't do that. Even Yukio wouldn't. Regardless of circumstances, it shows us something about his attitude and it's not pretty.
As we could see later, the weapon doesn't immediately destroy souls. Besides, Takara was attacking Izumo and with overwhelming power and creepy Chuckie doll attitude, what was Shima supposed to do, go get some other weapon to not hurt him too much?


Izumo enjoys mocking Bon and Bon enjoys mocking her. They find it irritating and enraging but they wouldn't annoy each other if it wasn't fun to watch.
You mean they do it to entertain others?

being annoying deosnt hurt people's feelings.
and being who you are isnt a lack of care fore someone else's feelings.
Yeah. Just because someone is oversensitive or plain emo doesn't mean the rest of the world should behave as s/he wishes or feel bad if emo doesn't accept them.

But I can't see ho Izumo is hurt with Renzou constantly complimenting her. Can't see why she should be. Can't see any pain in her eyes or anywhere. If anything, she's the one fully controlling situation here.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 20, 2013, 12:01:27 AM
The scene with the paladin (I always hated) and his friend torturing an Illuminati guy (earthforge: by family guy I meant the guy whose family was dragged to the torture cellar) should give us a hint that there may be something more than good Order vs. evil Illuminati going on here. Even if Toudou (whom I dislike more than most posters here, actually) is with them, some of them look much nicer than some of the Order people.

You call that a 'honourable and composed family guy'? Someone who is cool with kidnapping and using a young girl, but who starts whining and immediately betrays his allies when someone else does the same with his kid?

Also, employing one moderately nice guy doesn't really measure up against obliterating random cities.


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And about murdering fellow student - c'mon, no one here likes him, especially since showing Izumo that creepy mascot and then attacking her, some think that he's a demon. Why would anyone now defend him? And against Shima who is one of Rin's best friend and the first of the Kyoto trio who talked to him? It's hypocrisy, defending him now only to back up arguments against Renzou.

Are you arguing it's okay to murder people when no-one likes them?


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1. Better understanding of the situation? 2. Takara was never planning to hurt Izumo. 3. He wasn't even on the attack anymore when Shima made that move. 4. Even if you argue that Shima thought what he did was best, our perspective makes it clear that the move was totally unnecessary - if he was doing it to protect Izumo.
1. Yeah, calling Takara Mephisto's puppet shows that he knows what's going on between the top players.
2. Izumo herself would beg to differ when she was attacked by a giant transformer.
3. A couple of seconds of silence when Takara was licking his wounds. He's now ready to fight again.
4. I don't understand you. Imo Shima could thinkhe was doing the best he could do and it definitely was neccessary, because otherwise Izumo would left.

Exactly. Otherwise Izumo would have left. It's not about keeping her safe, it's about keeping her from leaving.


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We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time. But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
That's not stalking, he's flirting and she is not amused. He didn't kidnap her and if he plans to, we don't know his motifs. Murder? You mean with the weapon that doesn't hurt humans?

I mean with a weapon that burns human souls.

Did we actually read the same chapter?


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Second, if it's about "OMG I TRUSTED YOUUU!" then I tend to not take offense if the "betrayal" saves my life in process or at least was meant to help me. And again, I'm not sure Shima is the bad guy here, even if he does plan to take her to his boss.

Ah, but you don't have crippling trust issues that makes you act like a total bitch who deliberately alienates everyone.
So Izumo has issues, why is that Renzou's fault that she makes her life harder?

Even if it's not Renzou's fault, it makes a relationship much more unlikely.


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I was talking about Takara. Even if they were fighting, they fact that he was immediately ready to destroy the guy's soul makes it hard for me to see Shima as a good guy. Rin wouldn't do that. Even Yukio wouldn't. Regardless of circumstances, it shows us something about his attitude and it's not pretty.
As we could see later, the weapon doesn't immediately destroy souls. Besides, Takara was attacking Izumo and with overwhelming power and creepy Chuckie doll attitude, what was Shima supposed to do, go get some other weapon to not hurt him too much?

When did we see this?

And yes, looking for less murderous options seems like a really good idea.


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She told him she doesn't want anything to do with him, like, 15 times, and he still keeps asking her and running after her and making kissy noises at her, even though it is so very clear that this is annoying her.
Apparently when you don't flirt skillfully it's horribly disrespectful. Kissy noises, that bastard...
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being annoying deosnt hurt people's feelings.
and being who you are isnt a lack of care fore someone else's feelings.
Yeah. Just because someone is oversensitive or plain emo doesn't mean the rest of the world should behave as s/he wishes or feel bad if emo doesn't accept them.

But I can't see ho Izumo is hurt with Renzou constantly complimenting her. Can't see why she should be. Can't see any pain in her eyes or anywhere. If anything, she's the one fully controlling situation here.

Yes, because women just love it when they can't walk down the street without men constantly whistling and yelling things at them and making dishonourable propositions.

Honestly, what are they complaining about? They should be happy that men deem them worthy of attention! They're just women, after all. Who ever heard of respecting a woman's personal space or privacy? [/sarcasm]

You can't see the pain in her eyes? Look at this pic again and tell me you see a happy girl there.

http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 20, 2013, 05:34:59 AM
Even if Toudou (whom I dislike more than most posters here, actually) is with them, some of them look much nicer than some of the Order people.

And some of the TC Order look nicer than some of the Illuminati. You could probably find several TC Order exorcists who are nicer than, say, Toudou and the Impure Princess possession lady.

Toudou is a pathetic old ham. I just enjoy laughing both with and at him.

And about murdering fellow student - c'mon, no one here likes him

Still, murder is bad and to be avoided.

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We know Shima doesn't care about hurting her feelings. He does it all the time. But when you go from minor stalking to kidnapping and attempted murder, you can't just wave it away as teenager stuff anymore.
That's not stalking, he's flirting and she is not amused. He didn't kidnap her and if he plans to, we don't know his motifs. Murder? You mean with the weapon that doesn't hurt humans?

Renzou's pretty obviously kidnapping her. He is the Illuminati spy sent to whisk Izumo away from the TC Academy. That's why he had to stop her from finding their fellow classmates. Renzou's staff does hurt humans as it burns their souls (see the whole discussion in the chapter thread with chino).

They manhandle each other. That's why I think they understand what they are getting into whenever they interact. Heck, I think they even find it fun. My estimation is that they will become Vitriolic Best Buds. They aren't there yet, but I think they'll get there soon. But I think they do respect each other at least at a low level -- something must have kept them from killing each other.
That is romantic indeed.
It's a basis for a relationship to some people, even if it isn't one to you or me.

So Izumo has issues, why is that Renzou's fault that she makes her life harder?

Renzou knew that Izumo had major trust issues. He knew that she was acting nasty as a defense mechanism. Knowing all this, Renzou still chose to betray her trust that. It doesn't matter why he did it. He betrayed her. Betrayal cannot be easily forgiven, especially by someone who has been burned in the past.

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But they *love* fighting each other. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.
I never heard of a war starting because it's fun.
Many people fight rhetorically, romantically or physically for fun. In the immortal words of the classic song, "it's the eye of the tiger, the thrill of the fight". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg)

Apparently when you don't flirt skillfully it's horribly disrespectful. Kissy noises, that bastard...

I think there's cultural differences interfering with what we are saying. Where I live (California), kissy noises and catcalls are considered very disrespectful. Shitty "flirting", as you term it, is the sign of a male who can't act decently. I'm not sure how it is where you live.

In mangas, I generally ignore such blatant displays of horny males because such scenes are exaggerated to comedic effect.

Yeah. Just because someone is oversensitive or plain emo doesn't mean the rest of the world should behave as s/he wishes or feel bad if emo doesn't accept them.

Part of treating others like how they'd treat you is respecting the weaknesses and strengths of others. There is something to be said for working with people instead of condescending them from a position of ignorance.

But I can't see ho Izumo is hurt with Renzou constantly complimenting her. Can't see why she should be. Can't see any pain in her eyes or anywhere. If anything, she's the one fully controlling situation here.

Izumo wasn't hurting or afraid -- she was disgusted. But Izumo can't control Renzou's pursuit, which can get downright disturbing because she can't deter him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on August 20, 2013, 06:43:12 AM
Well, she can't really hate Renzou that much since she choose to trust him in the end.
Tsunderes are fun to tease, so I can't really blame him (I say this a a tsundere myself...). Most of the time when she seems angry at him, she's probably just embarrassed.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 20, 2013, 10:28:05 AM
You call that a 'honourable and composed family guy'? Someone who is cool with kidnapping and using a young girl, but who starts whining and immediately betrays his allies when someone else does the same with his kid?
You were on Arthur's side in that torture scene? How do you know what they want to do with Izumo? How do you know every Illuminati want to obliterate cities and not only Toudou and maybe couple of similar freaks?

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Are you arguing it's okay to murder people when no-one likes them?
There's a good reason noone likes him. Like being a nasty demon who attacks people. Besides, murdering in a fair fight we usually call "killing in a battle", if someone is actually killed, which didn't happen here.


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Exactly. Otherwise Izumo would have left. It's not about keeping her safe, it's about keeping her from leaving.
I'm repeating myself. How do you know what was better for her in that particular situation?


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I mean with a weapon that burns human souls.

Did we actually read the same chapter?
Yeah, but I read to the last page. There was a passage about "this much will only make you unconscious".


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Even if it's not Renzou's fault, it makes a relationship much more unlikely.
Ah, but now the relationship depends on the girl growing out of a teenage issues, not on what Renzou supposedly did wrong.


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And yes, looking for less murderous options seems like a really good idea.
Well, I disagree.


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You can't see the pain in her eyes? Look at this pic again and tell me you see a happy girl there.

http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html
You mean the "Shut up, you creep" picture? Seriously??? I thought it was "I'll murder you" face.


Renzou knew that Izumo had major trust issues. He knew that she was acting nasty as a defense mechanism. Knowing all this, Renzou still chose to betray her trust that. It doesn't matter why he did it. He betrayed her. Betrayal cannot be easily forgiven, especially by someone who has been burned in the past.
Doesn't matter why he did it? Let's say he saved her life. Still doesn't count?

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Many people fight rhetorically, romantically or physically for fun. In the immortal words of the classic song, "it's the eye of the tiger, the thrill of the fight". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg)
Ok, now how do we know they're thrilled to fight each other and not because they genuinely can't stand and want to murder each other?

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I think there's cultural differences interfering with what we are saying. Where I live (California), kissy noises and catcalls are considered very disrespectful. Shitty "flirting", as you term it, is the sign of a male who can't act decently. I'm not sure how it is where you live.
Same, except women in such situations feel disguised not hurt. If the kissing noises are made by colleague you're on equal terms and you can tell him "shut up, you creep" whenever you please, he doesn't touch you, stalk you, come to your house and such. I suppose in US women hire lawyers whenever they hear someone kiss air in their general direction as they do when someone gives them hot tea not telling that hot may be hot.

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In mangas, I generally ignore such blatant displays of horny males because such scenes are exaggerated to comedic effect.
And that's an approach I admire in heated debates.


Part of treating others like how they'd treat you is respecting the weaknesses and strengths of others. There is something to be said for working with people instead of condescending them from a position of ignorance.
They were under attack. It's shounen, not shoujo.


Izumo wasn't hurting or afraid -- she was disgusted. But Izumo can't control Renzou's pursuit, which can get downright disturbing because she can't deter him.
Can and may but never have since she has never been pained because of that.


Well, she can't really hate Renzou that much since she choose to trust him in the end.
Tsunderes are fun to tease, so I can't really blame him (I say this a a tsundere myself...). Most of the time when she seems angry at him, she probably just embarrassed.
Well said. There, looks like posters outside US have totally different point of view.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 20, 2013, 10:35:08 AM
Izumo enjoys mocking Bon and Bon enjoys mocking her. They find it irritating and enraging but they wouldn't annoy each other if it wasn't fun to watch.
Many people fight rhetorically, romantically or physically for fun. In the immortal words of the classic song, "it's the eye of the tiger, the thrill of the fight".
. . .
I think izumo and ryuuji are truly not enjoying this.
when izumo mocked ryuuji’s goal to deafeat satan or the aria’s job, ryuuji wasn’t enjoying himself.
and when ryuuji told izumo her attitude will make everyone hates her, she wasn’t enjoying herself.
they say harmful things and they don’t say it for fun.
Yeah. Just because someone is oversensitive or plain emo doesn't mean the rest of the world should behave as s/he wishes or feel bad if emo doesn't accept them.
if you want to say things like that, don’t quote me right before - ___- ‘’
Part of treating others like how they'd treat you is respecting the weaknesses and strengths of others. There is something to be said for working with people instead of condescending them from a position of ignorance.
you mean, “treating others how you would like them to treat you” I suppose. “treating them like how they’d treat you” as a rule is impossible. If they’d need to do the same, then there’s nothing to start from. anyway.
I don’t see whats the link. what anya unskilfully said was “you don’t have to change who you are just because people don’t like you”. or I think thats what she said. whatever.
Apparently when you don't flirt skillfully it's horribly disrespectful. Kissy noises, that bastard...
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But I can't see ho Izumo is hurt with Renzou constantly complimenting her. Can't see why she should be. Can't see any pain in her eyes or anywhere. If anything, she's the one fully controlling situation here.
Yes, because women just love it when they can't walk down the street without men constantly whistling and yelling things at them and making dishonourable propositions.
Honestly, what are they complaining about? They should be happy that men deem them worthy of attention! They're just women, after all. Who ever heard of respecting a woman's personal space or privacy? [/sarcasm]
You can't see the pain in her eyes? Look at this pic again and tell me you see a happy girl there.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html
I think there's cultural differences interfering with what we are saying. Where I live (California), kissy noises and catcalls are considered very disrespectful. Shitty "flirting", as you term it, is the sign of a male who can't act decently. I'm not sure how it is where you live.
In mangas, I generally ignore such blatant displays of horny males because such scenes are exaggerated to comedic effect.
[…]
Izumo wasn't hurting or afraid -- she was disgusted. But Izumo can't control Renzou's pursuit, which can get downright disturbing because she can't deter him.
T T
renzou is a pervert alright. but most men are. now I think about it, with ryuuji, koneko and yukio, the ratio of this manga seems skewed.

but what did renzou do really? (before last chapter)

besides asking for her cell phone number, planning to ask her to go to the pool, asking her to see a concert and asking her to go to the festival. two of which he was turned down but didn’t insisted.

he told her she looked good in a yukata.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023/7.html
right after, no one cares, they’re all sitting around discussing.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023/8.html

he made a fuss over her wearing a swimsuit.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html
next thing you know, they’re all playing ball.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/19.html

the only reason she hates him flirting with her is because he fawns as much over every girls. so that makes he disloyal, somehow.

Well, she can't really hate Renzou that much since she choose to trust him in the end.
Tsunderes are fun to tease, so I can't really blame him (I say this a a tsundere myself...). Most of the time when she seems angry at him, she probably just embarrassed.
maybe. but I dont think so.
like I said a while back, theres a difference in how she acts towards shima in comparison to rin.
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c037.5/8.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v12/c047/36.html

why am I still posting. got to go get some sleep. . . its more profitable. sorry I dont make sense.

"while you were typing a new reply has been posted."? T T . . . screw this ¬¬
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 20, 2013, 01:23:12 PM
^ It's because I post much too much here.


if you want to say things like that, don’t quote me right before - ___- ‘’
Well, I was continuing what you said! Because I liked it, you know.

Thanks for posting pages with Renzou's flirting (that must've taken a lot of time to find). I also can't see a single picture she looks hurt after that. Well, no more than she looks usually, like when she needs to talk to anyone else than Paku.

His disloyalty doesn't seem to bother her either. If anything she probably finds it low that he flirts with everyone with boobs. That isn't exactly flattering to any of his targets. Another reason to not treat him seriously.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 20, 2013, 03:26:13 PM
We're getting off topic, so I moved some of my answers here (http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,222.msg6036.html#msg6036).

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Exactly. Otherwise Izumo would have left. It's not about keeping her safe, it's about keeping her from leaving.
I'm repeating myself. How do you know what was better for her in that particular situation?
How do you know Shima was trying to do what was better for her in that particular situation?

I already admitted that we can't be 100% of his guilt yet, but you're acting as if the mere idea of questioning his actions is unreasonable. What makes you so totally convinced he's a good guy, after everything we've seen?


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You can't see the pain in her eyes? Look at this pic again and tell me you see a happy girl there.

http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v09/c035/11.html
You mean the "Shut up, you creep" picture? Seriously??? I thought it was "I'll murder you" face.
It is.

Wait, you think "I'll murder you" face is a sign of a good relationship? People don't usually want to murder someone unless they're hurt or displeased.


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I think there's cultural differences interfering with what we are saying. Where I live (California), kissy noises and catcalls are considered very disrespectful. Shitty "flirting", as you term it, is the sign of a male who can't act decently. I'm not sure how it is where you live.
Same, except women in such situations feel disguised not hurt. If the kissing noises are made by colleague you're on equal terms and you can tell him "shut up, you creep" whenever you please, he doesn't touch you, stalk you, come to your house and such. I suppose in US women hire lawyers whenever they hear someone kiss air in their general direction as they do when someone gives them hot tea not telling that hot may be hot.
Because feeling disgusted is so much better. ::)

Also, the problem is that "shut up, you creep" didn't work to deter him.


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Well, she can't really hate Renzou that much since she choose to trust him in the end.
Tsunderes are fun to tease, so I can't really blame him (I say this a a tsundere myself...). Most of the time when she seems angry at him, she probably just embarrassed.
Well said. There, looks like posters outside US have totally different point of view.

... No?

I'm with earthforge here. Calling after a girl after she made it clear she wants nothing to do with you is very disrespectful.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 20, 2013, 06:46:19 PM
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If its so wrong, then why no one, including you, never said anything about it before last chapter?

her stares and harsh rhetoric only means to not go any further, and thats what he does.
she doesnt want him to try to make a move, but she cant seriously want him to not even think about it.

she tells him "dont you dare come within a 2 m radius of me" then she is within a 2 m radius of him and look completly fine.
its clear she doesnt mind him as long as he keeps his thought for himself.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 20, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
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If its so wrong, then why no one, including you, never said anything about it before last chapter?

Because before last chapter, no-one on this site has ever been arguing that they Belong together.

I'm not saying they should throw Renzou in jail (well, not for that). But the Renzou x Izumo ship never stood much of a chance in my eyes, because it always looked completely one-sided to me. And with the added bonus of Renzou-the-backstabber, it has become even more unlikely (IMO).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 20, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
Betrayal cannot be easily forgiven, especially by someone who has been burned in the past.
Doesn't matter why he did it? Let's say he saved her life. Still doesn't count?

Not really, no. It's like kicking someone in the balls. Maybe it was for their own good, but they won't be happy with you. Forgiveness varies from person to person. I think Izumo is the least forgiving, and she has a good reason to not trust or love someone who has betrayed her once.

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Many people fight rhetorically, romantically or physically for fun. In the immortal words of the classic song, "it's the eye of the tiger, the thrill of the fight". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg)
Ok, now how do we know they're thrilled to fight each other and not because they genuinely can't stand and want to murder each other?


That is the question. Per what chino said, there's a lot more evidence to the latter. I was just explaining the theory behind the ship.

Same, except women in such situations feel disguised not hurt. If the kissing noises are made by colleague you're on equal terms and you can tell him "shut up, you creep" whenever you please, he doesn't touch you, stalk you, come to your house and such. I suppose in US women hire lawyers whenever they hear someone kiss air in their general direction as they do when someone gives them hot tea not telling that hot may be hot.

That's harassment here. Also -- don't insult the women of my country. That's like if I were to say that all Polish women are dirty sluts.

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Izumo wasn't hurting or afraid -- she was disgusted. But Izumo can't control Renzou's pursuit, which can get downright disturbing because she can't deter him.
Can and may but never have since she has never been pained because of that.

How could she deter him permanently?

Well said. There, looks like posters outside US have totally different point of view.

Wow. Could you stop with the insinuations that all Americans think like me and NN, especially as I am one person in a rather liberal region and NN isn't even American?

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I think izumo and ryuuji are truly not enjoying this.
when izumo mocked ryuuji’s goal to deafeat satan or the aria’s job, ryuuji wasn’t enjoying himself.
and when ryuuji told izumo her attitude will make everyone hates her, she wasn’t enjoying herself.
they say harmful things and they don’t say it for fun.

I concur. I realize I was stretching, but that's BonxIzumo for you. I find any Izumo ship other than RinxIzumo difficult to believe because Rin has been genuine with her.

renzou is a pervert alright. but most men are.

I'm not sure if you mean that. Generally the word "pervert" implies a tactless behavior. There's a difference between thinking "nice ass" and leering at a girl while saying "nice ass". One is normal and the other is disturbing, but again, culture differences.

the only reason she hates him flirting with her is because he fawns as much over every girls. so that makes he disloyal, somehow.

Could be.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 21, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
renzou is a pervert alright. but most men are.
I'm not sure if you mean that. Generally the word "pervert" implies a tactless behavior. There's a difference between thinking "nice ass" and leering at a girl while saying "nice ass". One is normal and the other is disturbing, but again, culture differences.
well men arent perverted full time. but its too tempting not to be.
if not in public, theyre worst when they talk among each other.

where I come from even women are like that.
which can be sad if you like innocent girls because there is practically none.

but isnt it like that in every big cities now?

thinking about it, maybe its because of the people Im hanging with. I think I know a lot of people but theyre all the same. hahah well I cant chose thats the only people that accept to hang with me.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on August 21, 2013, 04:32:55 AM
man, you guys went at it.

im conflicted reading all of your arguments, which are all very good. its kind of scary putting my input tho  :-[

to me, bon and izumo do make each others life miserable and annoy each other. Izumo enjoys getting bon angry, and vice versa. and i ship that, nothing wrong with it. now if i think it'll become canon? i doubt it. But i ship it because the saying 'there is one step from hate to love' or something like that, to me its just fun seeing bon and izumo interact.

i ship rinxizumo because of reasons not known even to myself. I guess I was able to understand izumo from the beggining rather than calling her a 'bitch' like most of the people putt her off as. most likely rinxshiemi will be endgame, because rin already has made it kind of canon, but im crossing my fingers, because there is so much potential and its just me. okei.dont listen, i dont know what im saying...

renzouxizumo, like some of you have stated, we dont know what shima is doing yet. we know he stabbed izumo to make her uncouncsious, and from my tumblr, i've seen people react differently in regards to shima's actions. to me, he is either, a good guy doing a bad thing that will later make sense to why he did said bad thing, or a guy that was always bad and showing his colors just now. I cant say the shimaxizumo ship has sinked, if anything, it has become intersting and angst driven, although we consider izumo's personality, and she may find it hard to forgive shima, if he ever is to be redemmed good again. this will bring us back to the beggining, where shima just admires izumo from afar and thus, the cute and second-most-popular ship(following rinxshiemi and taking away any boyxboy couples)will be back again and no one will care and go admire at how cute shiemi and rin are.

and to be honest, i love shiemi, but if she better stop friendzoning rin so much or at least give izumo the spotlight. gah, fangirl problems

sorry for all the typos, im just rambling and putting my two cents. i'll probably read this in the morning and it'll make no sense and im leaving now.ok.bei
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 21, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
I already admitted that we can't be 100% of his guilt yet, but you're acting as if the mere idea of questioning his actions is unreasonable. What makes you so totally convinced he's a good guy, after everything we've seen?
I'm not, but we've also seen a lot to believe he is. I believe that the last chapter wasn't a great reveal of Shima's true nature, but rather shown one of his traits... probably his naivety or teenage rebellion went wrong.


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Wait, you think "I'll murder you" face is a sign of a good relationship? People don't usually want to murder someone unless they're hurt or displeased.
No, I mean "I'll murder you" face isn't the same as "I'm hurting inside" face. You said you see pain in her eyes. I bet anything she didn't go back to her room to cry her eyes out after that scene.


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Also, the problem is that "shut up, you creep" didn't work to deter him.
He isn't very persistent. He makes comments once in a while, she snaps back, everything goes back to normal till the next time she's dressed up. You could even say she is hurting him more than he "hurts" her.


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I'm with earthforge here. Calling after a girl after she made it clear she wants nothing to do with you is very disrespectful.
If they were mature and married - definitely. But Shima is teenage (perverted) boy who is not very good with girls and he likes this girl in his class. If he knew how to skillfully flirt her he would! His goal isn't to make her suffer, he wants to date her, that much is obvious to me.


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Not really, no. It's like kicking someone in the balls. Maybe it was for their own good, but they won't be happy with you. Forgiveness varies from person to person. I think Izumo is the least forgiving, and she has a good reason to not trust or love someone who has betrayed her once.
So it's Izumo's fault that this ship won't sail. She needs to work on her issues as much as Renzou should on his flirting skills. If the stabbing will work for or against their relationship is debatable for me.


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That's harassment here. Also -- don't insult the women of my country. That's like if I were to say that all Polish women are dirty sluts.
I was too harsh, I admit, but I'm still reporting this post.

I can't find a word for the attitude you seem to have towards boys making kissing noises, but it's way too harsh. They're impolite, immature and sometimes stupid but usually don't mean any harm and actually probably want to compliment the girl. Accusing them of abuse is unfair even if it is disturbing. A mature, self-confident woman ignores such behavior as she ignores burping. You can feel disgusted, yes, but feeling harassed, pained inside, abused?


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How could she deter him permanently?
"It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight"


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renzou is a pervert alright. but most men are.

I'm not sure if you mean that. Generally the word "pervert" implies a tactless behavior. There's a difference between thinking "nice ass" and leering at a girl while saying "nice ass". One is normal and the other is disturbing, but again, culture differences.
I'm pretty sure chino meant pervert as in "thinking and discussing nice ass". Some boys are just not ashamed to show this side of himself to the girls.


Fixed the quotes. ~NeeNee

Corrected fixed quotes. ~Anya
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 21, 2013, 01:04:12 PM
All of you, please remember not to make this personal. We're having a discussion, not a fight.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 21, 2013, 05:55:39 PM
So it's Izumo's fault that this ship won't sail. She needs to work on her issues as much as Renzou should on his flirting skills. If the stabbing will work for or against their relationship is debatable for me.
Yup, it wouldn't sail because of Izumo. But in my opinion, the onus is on Renzou to grovel and beg for forgiveness instead of Izumo to say "oh my, I have taken leave of my senses, how could I ever be angry at you for stabbing me! It was for my own good after all!"

One also makes for better dramatic tension than the other.

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That's harassment here. Also -- don't insult the women of my country. That's like if I were to say that all Polish women are dirty sluts.
I was too harsh, I admit, but I'm still reporting this post.

Huh? I was saying it was like if I were to say that. If. I'm not trying to attack you or your country. I am just trying to backtrack the argument to be less angry.

I can't find a word for the attitude you seem to have towards boys making kissing noises, but it's way too harsh. They're impolite, immature and sometimes stupid but usually don't mean any harm and actually probably want to compliment the girl. Accusing them of abuse is unfair even if it is disturbing. A mature, self-confident woman ignores such behavior as she ignores burping. You can feel disgusted, yes, but feeling harassed, pained inside, abused?

Unforgiving? Unwarranted?

I can feel disgusted and wary if it's a one-time encounter (say, someone on the local public transit doing that -- as long as I can verify they aren't following me, I generally ignore them.) But if I were subjected to it on a daily basis by someone in my research group or club, I would get very disconcerted. I mock it gently and ask for it to stop at first, but if it continues, I personally would get nervous because they aren't listening to me. But don't get the wrong idea: I usually assess malevolence, mental illness, and cultural differences in concert with such behavior.

One time an Iranian community college student sent text messages repeatedly for six months after I chatted with him once. For reference, I was 14 years old, was attending community college far from home to take college-level classes, and grew up in a very sheltered community. After this incident, I realized that creepy students would try to approach me because I was clearly young, unaware and blonde. So I started keeping my hair in a bun and wearing a baseball cap. Did wonders for reducing the creepy approaches.

But there have also been times where I give the benefit of a doubt. I've ran into a couple freshman that were simply smitted with me. They don't bother me because they generally are good-natured. When I was on public transit, a lesbian politely asked me out. I felt awkward (as I would've had a straight man done so), but I didn't think that I was in danger of creepiness.

Kissy noises are extremely lacking in class here. It's juvenile and considered aberrant in the professional sphere.

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How could she deter him permanently?
"It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight"
No, really. Even if Izumo beat Renzou's head in and told him never to talk to her again, I don't think he would stop.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 21, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
Yup, it wouldn't sail because of Izumo. But in my opinion, the onus is on Renzou to grovel and beg for forgiveness instead of Izumo to say "oh my, I have taken leave of my senses, how could I ever be angry at you for stabbing me! It was for my own good after all!"

One also makes for better dramatic tension than the other.
It depends on how you imagine it. Till now Izumo treated Shima like a wart or an empty-headed and generally useless pervert. Of course she could change, decide that she's growing old and she needs a man, or start liking his immature comments, he doesn't mean any harm after all...

But now she's forced to change her opinion on him. He's not so useless, controlling a high class demon while carrying her on his arm. Not so boring if he joined the enemy and stabbed her. Not so stupid if there's anything in the Illuminati worth fighting for. If it turns out he's a good guy after all (I know we don't know that) she will have to work out a new approach. Still angry at him (and for better reason - betraying her trust) but not treating him like something sticky on her shoe anymore.


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Kissy noises are extremely lacking in class here. It's juvenile and considered aberrant in the professional sphere.
Definitely. School is not very professional though and full of immature people, so their behavior is not out of place. They're your age and has no power over you so it's not very creepy. I'd be furious if someone kept making kissy noises at me, but feeling hurt, harassed, abused or pained? Definitely not.

Speaking of different cultures, we don't really have them here, but there's an ancient tradition of greeting women by kissing their hands that for some reason won't die. And only very old and respectable guys still do it. It's not really disgusting, because they're faking it like when women kiss each others cheeks, but imagine a guy you work with who is 50 years older than you, or your own uncle or other elderly men you treat with greatest respect bowing to kiss your hand. I can't even protest because that would be impolite. I absolutely hate it. Still, I can't say I feel harassed, because that would be unfair.

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How could she deter him permanently?
"It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight"
No, really. Even if Izumo beat Renzou's head in and told him never to talk to her again, I don't think he would stop.
I think he would. But my point was, this fight they may actually enjoy. He likes teasing her, no matter how badly she treats him for that. She seems to enjoy calling him creep, pink head and such, even best friends often do that. Whatever is between them, it's not getting worse.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on August 22, 2013, 03:28:25 AM
After reading all of your post I can say this is my general impression of what's going on with the Shima x Izumo fans (replace canon with "Chapter 48" and Tumblr with "Renzou x Izumo"):

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7b7d22573d13b35b1e3e1fc4f89dbf83/tumblr_mrve9xK4pu1qewsw4o1_250.gif) (http://31.media.tumblr.com/19d12311de75b8f09c3b85fc196d9c52/tumblr_mrve9xK4pu1qewsw4o2_250.gif)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on August 22, 2013, 07:12:13 PM
^^^@heavenlyarcher
pretty much, a lot of dislike towards shima, but like they say, hope dies last. i feel spiritually connected with these gifs, this is how i feel!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 27, 2013, 07:33:43 AM
Wow, that Twilight stuff is worse than I thought. :-\

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9j9x20my31rw9cj4o1_500.jpg)
http://fus-ro-david.tumblr.com/post/59138064733/cabrenjamin-morivan-karideth

Yeah, definitely don't want to see that. Girls actually like this? What are they, masochists? I don't see anything desirable about a guy who treats you like a doll.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on August 27, 2013, 11:18:33 AM
Really? Is there beating in the book, for example? I'd think that'd make the fangirls uneasy or something...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on August 27, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
I don't think there's any actual beating (never seen or read the series), but if he were to, say, grab her arm and roughly drag her with him, it would probably be enough to meet the criteria.

Most of them are about emotional abuse anyway. You know, humiliating her, telling her who she can and can't talk to. Physical abuse is really the last step.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: GolPhee on August 27, 2013, 07:46:12 PM
There actually is a beating (read it before it got popular - didn't know what I was getting into). She sleeps with him and he gets carried away. Yeah women who get off on Twilight aren't doing themselves any favors in the battle for gender equality.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Desktop Warrior on August 27, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
Can't remember if I've commented here before, but the only pairings I like in this list (regardless of canonical possibility) are Rin/Shiemi and Suguro/Izumo. (Then, there's Rin/Godaiin, but that belongs in another thread.) That said, I don't think less of anyone else for what they ship.

Canonically, I doubt there'll be any romantic relationship. If there is one, it'll most likely be Rin/Shiemi in the last couple panels of the series, going by what I know of shounen manga. I think Shiemi already feels a bit of romantic attraction toward both twins, even if she doesn't realize it, and both of them are attracted to her to some degree. In addition, I think Izumo may start being attracted to Rin. How this all plays out, though, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on November 29, 2013, 11:21:52 PM
I'm shipping Lighting x Yuri so hard right now.

I feel like making it a thing.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on November 30, 2013, 12:02:37 AM
^ Yes, do make it a thing. I'm starting to have some shipping love for it
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on December 21, 2013, 02:35:47 AM
I'm thinking Yuri only went for her other guy (the one that's Rin/Yukio's human father) because he looked like lightning.

Is this the place to have a serious Yuri x Lighting discussion?

Anyway, I am also starting to think Yukio x Paku and Godaiin x Paku both have some nice chemistry to them. Godaiin's a bit like Yukio was at the beginning of the series so I guess that's why I ship them both with her.

Anyway you all are getting me on the Rin x Izumo bandwagon haha. At first I was completely Rin x Shiemi, but Rin x Izumo have more chemistry together.....the problem is at this point Rin x Shiemi is starting to be a mutual thing. I ship all mutual parings so I ship Rin x Shiemi too. I also ship Yukio x Shiemi. Yukio goes great with the nice girls. And he has been crushing pretty hard on Shiemi lately.

I just thought of something that would also have good chemistry! Amaimon x Shura! The crackiest of crack pairings.


Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on December 21, 2013, 02:40:48 AM
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I'm thinking Yuri only went for her other guy (the one that's Rin/Yukio's human father) because he looked like lightning.

Is this the place to have a serious Yuri x Lighting discussion?

Yes this is the place (or at least  cannot think of any other place).

I was thinking, she gets sent to the Japanese Branch so, to protest she starts to fail all of her classes on purpose (if she was from an important family, this would have affected her father's image).

This leads to her to be forced to take extra classes on weekends (like when Rin failed that English test). Yes, I'm going with Satan possessed a teacher to rape her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on December 21, 2013, 02:52:59 AM
Well I don't want to be hit with the italics hammer right now! :-[ I just wanted confirmation.

Because I have recently been made aware that there are 13 year olds on this board, and don't want to scar them:
(click to show/hide)

I think there should be another thread for Rin/Yukio's copulation though. If that's....PG-13 enough. XD It seems like something you and I could discuss at length.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on December 21, 2013, 03:42:25 AM
If you think it's needed, you can create a new topic with an age warning.

But I think 13-year-olds who read Blue Exorcist should be mature enough to know what sex and rape are. As long as you're not making it too graphic.

As for boy x boy pairings, we actually have another thread for that: http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,21.0.html
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on December 21, 2013, 04:08:06 AM
Oh you're more OK with it than I thought. But this is me we're talking about. I have no filter so if I continue talking about it, I might get graphic. I have no clue what's too graphic and what's not.

And. No. Uh. I meant conception. Yes, conception. Copulation resulting IN Yukio/Rin. I wasn't talking about twincest.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on December 21, 2013, 07:56:19 PM
If we are gonna imagine Yuri's and Lightning relationship, I think this thread. If we are gonna talk about how Stan got he pregnant, I think there was time that was brought up in crack theories (I don't see Yuri and Stan as a ship).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on December 22, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
Were's the Ridaiin?

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on December 22, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
^ That should go into the Official Shounen-Ai thread
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on December 23, 2013, 07:28:39 AM
^ That should go into the Official Shounen-Ai thread

Woops! Sorry I'll remove it :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on December 26, 2013, 07:26:36 PM
It's not like it's forbidden to talk about same-sex couples here. But some people like that kind of thing more than others, so I thought it might be best to give it its own thread. :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on January 01, 2014, 01:32:15 AM
Oh, which makes me remember something I've always wanted to ask a broader spectrum of people:

characterization in doujinshis/fanart/fanfics where pairings are featured

How important is that to you? Sometimes I've gotten the feeling that it's enough for some fans to just see their favourite characters depicted together, even if they're posing/acting in a way the character wouldn't be likely to do. How much "canonical realism", if I can put it that way, do you require of a work to really like it?

I think this can be asked here too, since it's about couples in general.

I know Yukio easily gets mischaracterised when he's with Shiemi... Not sure about the other pairings since I haven't read much of them.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 01, 2014, 02:35:56 AM
Yukio is difficult since he has three different "personality modes" which he uses with different people, and he hides his true feelings/self. Shiemi is the only one who gets his nice-guy act, and that was only in the chapter where they were alone together.

But I am curious. How so?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on January 01, 2014, 03:19:36 AM
^ The most common ones with Shiemi are

1) He's very smooth and confident (something he is NOT when he's with Shiemi) and
2) he has no problem jumping her without regard for the consequences.

I know the latter one is a common problem with porn fics in general, but still. There was one fic where he actually tells her that she shouldn't stay out late because her mother wouldn't approve of it, and then ***** her before sending her home. Like, the guy is like the most responsible kid in school and a doctor, I refuse to believe he would risk getting a 15-year-old girl pregnant like that without giving it a single thought. That's just not the Yukio we know, not in any of his personalities.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 01, 2014, 03:55:23 AM
O.O

No, no you are right that's not him at all.

But if anyone wants to get ANYWHERE with Shiemi they have to take the lead. That much is true. Or else the relationship falls apart.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kaibutsu on January 04, 2014, 02:35:01 AM
If Yukio can get his (pardon my language) shit together, then I can see him with Shiemi. Rin and Yukio are obviously jealous of each other, also for reasons aside from Shiemi, but Rin doesn't let it get to him or at least show it easily. Yukio is just an angsty teen mess.

Izumo/Shima though.... I was on the boat after he tries taking her to his brother's gig in that one extra, but after the even more  recent developments, i'm all over that.

Oh, and can't forget Mamushi/Juuzou!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on January 05, 2014, 04:31:38 AM
I just noticed a problem in our Lighting x Yuri ship: she was already an exorcist when she got pregnant. She was the same rank as Yukio if I remember correctly...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 05, 2014, 04:38:33 AM
Actually she was a Junior Second Class, the lowest rank.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on January 05, 2014, 04:44:49 AM
Actually she was a Junior Second Class, the lowest rank.

You are right!

That's why I originally came up with her being 15 when she got pregnant, I was assuming she had just taken the meister exam.

Then my whole theory remains the same, just that she gets pregnant after becoming a exorcist:

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Yuri: Yes! I'm finally an exorcist! Now I will go get myself assigned alongside Light and my father will no longer get in the way of our love.

(random guy burst into blue flames)

Yuri: Well, f***!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on January 06, 2014, 04:07:19 AM
I feel like I'm the only person who has mentioned the GL between Shiemi and Izumo and I want to bring it up again! In chapter 50 there was a cute send off with Paku leaving Izumo in Shiemi's care.
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/037add767f5829a5c5175a77f4e39116/tumblr_inline_myyo8vPRX71rqgbdw.png)
I think ShieIzu deserves honorable mention! I get so bummed about people fighting over the main heroines and having to pick one. I like them both!

Other GL pairings, .... really no other ones that stick out strongly but I kind of was interested in Shura/Mamushi. Not like they had any interaction or anything notable, just sort of sparked my interest because snake themes. ( `ヮ´) But I still like JuuMamu a lot more.
Any one else like the GL?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 06, 2014, 06:04:27 AM
ShiemiXIzumo can't work, IMO. Shiemi is too oblivious and Izumo is too ... tsundere. So there's no one to make the first move. It would take way too much time before anything happens. =___ =

I think PakuXShiemi or PakuXIzumo have more chances.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on January 06, 2014, 06:40:39 AM
ShiemiXIzumo can't work, IMO. Shiemi is too oblivious and Izumo is too ... tsundere. So there's no one to make the first move. It would take way too much time before anything happens. =___ =
I don't think Shiemi is that oblivious with Izumo. I think she always wanted to befriend her and Izumo is tsundere towards everyone but we're finally getting to her baggage so after this arc she might be less tsundere. Besides, I don't mind the wait. I know that the ship won't really be canonized but I look forward to them becoming friends.
Coincidentally, I thought that Maria Yoshida (http://aonoexorcist.wikia.com/wiki/Maria_Yoshida) (the illuminati woman who found Izumo) looks very similar to Shiemi. Maybe that had something to do with her initial feelings to Shiemi.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 06, 2014, 07:02:58 AM
EVERYONE thinks Maria Yoshida looks scary similar to Shiemi, so much that we were inventing crack theories about her being Shiemi's aunt, and Shiemi's father being part of the Illuminati. That was fun.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Dimwit on January 06, 2014, 07:47:07 AM
Any one else like the GL?

*raises hand*

I've been thinking of Paku and Izumo as a potential couple (although it will never be canonized) since the Esquire exam, with Izumo's flustered exclamation that Paku is special to her (and Paku doing a little dance every time she's alone with Izumo? Seriously? Too cute! >w<). What bothers me there is that I can't get it out of my head that Paku could be the other Illuminati spy, but that probably belongs under the Crack Theories thread.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 06, 2014, 07:51:08 AM
One in Japan, two in the Vatican. Don't worry, I think we're safe. Everyone -ever- sees the lesbianism between Izumo and Paku. Everyone. It is the butt of many jokes.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 06, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
I don't think Shiemi is that oblivious with Izumo. I think she always wanted to befriend her and Izumo is tsundere towards everyone but we're finally getting to her baggage so after this arc she might be less tsundere. Besides, I don't mind the wait. I know that the ship won't really be canonized but I look forward to them becoming friends.
I think Shiemi is extremely oblivious towards everyone and everything. She didn't even realize Izumo was bullying her (http://www.mangareader.net/406-26574-24/ao-no-exorcist/chapter-5.html) or insulting her (http://www.mangareader.net/ao-no-exorcist/18/27). That makes their interactions interesting somehow, but I don't see this work for a romantic relationship.
Tsundere needs people who can see behind their mask. Someone as oblivious as Shiemi doesn't even see the mask, let alone see behind it.

And Izumo won't stop being tsundere. xD
But she might go from tsun to dere. That's the point of tsundere, no?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 06, 2014, 09:21:13 AM
Can anyone in that class see behind her mask, except Paku? This is why I can't see her working out with Rin, with Bon, and Yukio ignores her/isn't interested...Shima probably can, but that's a whole separate thing (hurry up and expand Shima already!! I want to see if I'm right about him.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Dimwit on January 06, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
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One in Japan, two in the Vatican. Don't worry, I think we're safe.

The talk concerned spies that had infiltrated the Order, and Lightning said there was one spy in the Japanese branch. Paku isn't among the exorcist trainees. Theeeeeen again I know I have a habit of being overly suspicious. x') Just thought that Paku was so very eager to be Izumo's friend back when they were kids, against all odds and discouragement and the Illuminati might assign someone to watch Izumo while in Inari, and let Paku pull back as a sleeper agent in regular school when the watcher duty was passed on to Shima.

Everyone -ever- sees the lesbianism between Izumo and Paku. Everyone. It is the butt of many jokes.

Is that surprising? They do behave like closet lesbians who haven't yet confessed to one another because they're not sure the other feels the same, or not sure if the other is lesbian. Personal experience speaking.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 06, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
Can anyone in that class see behind her mask, except Paku? This is why I can't see her working out with Rin, with Bon, and Yukio ignores her/isn't interested...Shima probably can, but that's a whole separate thing (hurry up and expand Shima already!! I want to see if I'm right about him.)
Ryuuji called her out on it in chapter 6 (http://www.mangareader.net/406-31388-20/ao-no-exorcist/chapter-6.html). If he thought driving people away was what she really wanted, there would be no reason to point it out, IMO. Koneko said it straight out in chapter 43 (http://www.mangareader.net/ao-no-exorcist/43/17). And Rin, the way he acts towards her looks like he understands. He always look right past her antics and thanks her for washing his shirt or trying to cheer him up. ... Actually, Renzou is the only one I wasn't sure about. He was acting like, he liked her that way (while she was doing everything she could to make him not like her). Yukio is smart. He probably recognize a tsundere when he sees one.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chaotickairos on January 06, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Excellent, we need more lesbians. I am all for Shiemi/Izumo. After all, it is a scientifically proven fact that more lesbians makes every story significantly better.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on January 06, 2014, 03:18:56 PM
Ryuuji called her out on it in chapter 6 (http://www.mangareader.net/406-31388-20/ao-no-exorcist/chapter-6.html). If he thought driving people away was what she really wanted, there would be no reason to point it out, IMO. Koneko said it straight out in chapter 43 (http://www.mangareader.net/ao-no-exorcist/43/17). And Rin, the way he acts towards her looks like he understands. He always look right past her antics and thanks her for washing his shirt or trying to cheer him up. ... Actually, Renzou is the only one I wasn't sure about. He was acting like, he liked her that way (while she was doing everything she could to make him not like her). Yukio is smart. He probably recognize a tsundere when he sees one.

I think Bon said it with more intention to hurt her (they were angry at each other) than to call her up.

As for Koneko, he was calling everyone out, I don't think he did it with any particular intention of her becoming closer, it was more along the line of "be professional".

Rin is really interested to grow closer to Izumo, as a friend at least. He did use to think bad of her because of how she treated Shiemi but after seeing her cry he saw her other side and since the "train chat"  he got even more of an interest in socializing with her (and I guess now even more after learning about her past).

Don't bring the backstabber up.

I'm not sure Yukio is that interested in Izumo, even less now with all his personal drama. He will probably at least try to give her kidnap a more "business approach".
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 06, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
I think Bon said it with more intention to hurt her (they were angry at each other) than to call her up.

As for Koneko, he was calling everyone out, I don't think he did it with any particular intention of her becoming closer, it was more along the line of "be professional".

Rin is really interested to grow closer to Izumo, as a friend at least. He did use to think bad of her because of how she treated Shiemi but after seeing her cry he saw her other side and since the "train chat"  he got even more of an interest in socializing with her (and I guess now even more after learning about her past).

Don't bring the backstabber up.

I'm not sure Yukio is that interested in Izumo, even less now with all his personal drama. He will probably at least try to give her kidnap a more "business approach".
I didn't meant they wanted to be romantically involved. I was just trying to prove they can see through her act.
Tardar said "Can anyone in that class see behind her mask, except Paku?"

About Ryuuji, Izumo just told him "tell me something I don't know", then he seems to get more serious and say "You'll drive everyone away like that". IMO these weren't empty words, but think what you want.

Rin did't think bad of Izumo because of how she treated Shiemi, I think he thought bad of Izumo because of how she was treating everyone, himself included. And he didn't changed his mind when he saw her crying, he changed his mind when she returned his shirt and thanked him. Also he's not interested at all in her past, but that's from chapter 53.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on January 06, 2014, 07:38:15 PM
I didn't mean interested in her past, I meant interested in her as a person.

Rhn doesn't seem like a guy interested in the past he is more of a one day at a time and on to the future, for me at least.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on January 06, 2014, 07:39:49 PM
Okay, with that mindset he seems less of a jerk in that scene.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on January 06, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Hmm I never really paid that much attention to Paku because I assumed she was just going to be written out of the story. Good for her, still finding places to cameo. I don't know if she can see through Izumo's act better than everyone else, that makes it sound like a special skill. She really just knows a lot more about Izumo's life and has known her longer. I really didn't think they seemed lesbian-close, but maybe that's because I just assume good friends should look like lesbians anyway.  I think a good, compelling arguement for Izumo/Paku would be, whatever the reason is that Izumo can actually confide in Paku. Was she just in the right place at the right time when Izumo needed a friend? Or is it some quality she has?

Personally I like ShieIzu because they're so different and possibly beause Izumo was the hardest on Shiemi. I think Shiemi can do it! At least become friends! Shiemi may be oblivious to the insults but even when it's spelled out for her she remains determined and positive. I guess most people think Izumo should be with someone who can see through her BS but I like Shiemi beause she kind of ignores it or turns it into a compliment. It's not like I'm hoping that she'll change Izumo drastically or that Izumo will continue belittling her forever but I'm hoping she'll meet her half way in friendship. I guess for Shiemi, I hope she can act properly serious if Izumo needs her help (emotionally).

But also kind of ShieIzuPaku ahaha shipping doesn't have to be likely for me to like it. It just has to be interesting.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 03, 2014, 03:07:33 AM
You forgot the most important of all..

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/61c717f0dd0cc1493728d64ff27d48b5/tumblr_n1ubagFhVl1s27x3bo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 03, 2014, 03:11:35 AM
AHAHAHAHA!!!! Yesssss!


What about Shura/Shima? As in, Shura seduces Shima to get him to talk.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 03, 2014, 03:13:05 AM
I ship it like Fedex or UPS whichever delivers faster
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on March 03, 2014, 03:18:56 AM
I don't know guys... what if Pig Face and Rin's boss are relatives (I don't remember her name)? Lol, Rin's anime!boss was totally an Illuminati spy.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 03, 2014, 03:19:54 AM
Well I already ship Rin and Yukio so it wouldn't be the first time I shipped incest..
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: facets-and-rainbows on March 03, 2014, 04:52:11 AM
I don't know guys... what if Pig Face and Rin's boss are relatives (I don't remember her name)? Lol, Rin's anime!boss was totally an Illuminati spy.

This must be why the demons started finding him as soon as he interviewed for/got the job.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 03, 2014, 06:08:30 AM
I don't know about that I hear unemployment in gehenna is pretty high
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 03, 2014, 08:47:06 AM
I now add that to my crack ships.
Right beside Bon x Bariyon. Grouchy faces forever :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Elaedan on March 03, 2014, 01:15:33 PM
I don't know guys... what if Pig Face and Rin's boss are relatives (I don't remember her name)? Lol, Rin's anime!boss was totally an Illuminati spy.

This must be why the demons started finding him as soon as he interviewed for/got the job.

Hahahahaa yes! Totally love the theory. Just wow!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 04, 2014, 08:02:35 PM
General opinions of the popular ships :

Rin x Shiemi : The only canon ship I honestly see. I think at one point she might have crushed on Yukio, but after Rin's true acceptance of her (Despite her weirdness) she really appreciates what he has to say and has grown to love him.

Shiemi x Yukio : I never thought either one of them were that interested in each other to begin with, but if it is still there, I see a point of contention between the twins over it. Not necessarily that they fight 'over' her but when it comes to light that one of them has clearly earned her affection, it's going to do some personal/self-esteem damage to the other one.

Shura x Yukio : I don't see any romantic implications there, because Yukio really dislikes her personality and life choices. He may really care for her as a friend/mentor to himself and Rin, but he could never be with her. They'd constantly scream and fight over every tiny little thing.

Rin x Izumo : They come off as a potential sibling/family type relationship to me, or that a relationship like that is growing, now that we've got some insight into Izumo's demonic relations, and Rin will want to find some common ground with her, but I see nothing there romance wise.

Shima x Izumo : I have no idea. I used to ship them but I don't know that Shima is going to be redeemed as a character.

Bon x Izumo : The only real possibility I see (at least among the ExWires). They tease and mock each other every five minutes and it just comes off as more genuine than Shima's flirting.

Other ships I kind of like? (some have canon basis to me, others are just meh, I thought about it).
Shura x Arthur
Shura x Mephisto
Shiro x Yuri
Mamushi x Juuzo

I also like most of the Shounen Ai/Yuri pairings.
Rin x Yukio
Rin x Bon
Izumo x Paku
Bon x Shima
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 04, 2014, 08:29:55 PM
Regarding YukiShi, Yukio has shown that he accepts her fully. She may have given up back when she felt Yukio was out of her league and beyond her reach. Now Yukio pushes her away, and at the same time, Rin makes a move, hints that he likes her, and acts like a stud.

I don't know if Shiemi picked up the hint though.

Meanwhile Yukio's hints were so subtle the anime watchers did not even pick it up...everyone initially thought Yukio did not return Shiemi's feelings for HIM.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 04, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
I think YukiShi still has a good chance :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 04, 2014, 09:56:10 PM
I look forward to the triangle. YukiShi is a better fit in the long run, though.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Elaedan on March 04, 2014, 10:30:09 PM
^yeah I can see more Rin and Shiemi as close friends but Shiemi has harbored A crush to Yukio longer... But dunno ^^"
Plus as A bf Yukio would be reliable if you get past his shell and that he tries to avoid girls (or at least those masses of fangirls in his school)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 04, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
I personally don't think Shiemi is a good fit for Yukio, personality wise.
I'm sure he'd be good to her, but a strong-headed intelligent girl would really catch his eye, and IMO we haven't seen anything close to that kind of character.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 04, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
Shiemi and Rin are my brotp, and maybe Yukio would brood less if he were with Shiemi
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 04, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
Shiemi and Rin are my brotp, and maybe Yukio would brood less if he were with Shiemi

xD I could see that.

I dunno, it just doesn't seem to fit with me at all. I see RinShi as this really awkward quirky couple (I suppose I know so many couples like that in real life that remind me of them) and it just works in my head.

YukiShi is adorable and she makes him smile, which is what he needs. I just really would like to see a another character fill in the gap. A girl that's not crazy hot-headed like Shura/Izumo or sickingly sweet and ditzy like Shiemi.

(pssst....is there a thread in a fanworks subforum about submitting original characters to this universe, I love the plot bunnies thread :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 04, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
Although I am a proud Rizumo shipper i'd rather have a new girl if Rin were to actually be in a relationship

taking ships so seriously for a shounen manga is still pretty weird for me, but I guess that's another thing that makes ao no exorcist unique from other shounen series
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on March 05, 2014, 12:07:42 AM
(pssst....is there a thread in a fanworks subforum about submitting original characters to this universe, I love the plot bunnies thread :)

Nope, but feel free to make one.


taking ships so seriously for a shounen manga is still pretty weird for me, but I guess that's another thing that makes ao no exorcist unique from other shounen series

Hahahahahahaha

No. Believe me, this is not unique to Blue Exorcist. Every series has their part of crazy shippers who only seem to care about who ends up with whom. Even shonen that contain barely any romance at all (Attack of Titan, anyone?) spur more discussion/fanart based on shipping than anything else.

This forum is actually really calm in that aspect. Everywhere else I go, shipping threads are among the busiest of the forum, but here people don't really seem to care... which is kind of a relief, honestly (shipping wars are the dread of every forum mod, second only to political discussions. It's one of the reasons why I decided to keep it all in one place, rather than allowing the series of "Shiemi vs Izumo" threads you see on MF etc.).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 05, 2014, 12:13:16 AM
And I'm glad there isn't shipping wars.
 Everyone seems so chill with other peoples ships, even if they don't agree with it or don't see why it works, here. Nice and refreshing, really.
That or people just don't say anything.
I think here I'm able to experience other peoples ships and be able to experience them a bit, (hell, stuff lke ToudouxYukio I would never have considered, and I may not ship it but I actually have come to like the concept...) whereas in other places you tend to choose your ship(s) and kinda be careful about where you tread...

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Elaedan on March 05, 2014, 12:25:35 AM
Agreed, aggressive shipping will get out off hand and be messy..
I kinda rarely ship anything seriously but I have some AnE guilty pleasures~~


//guess who couldn't sleep again... I was here early in morning and now late in night..//
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 05, 2014, 12:38:28 AM
Never understood why people get aggressive about it.
If it doesn't turn out how you want it to - meh. Just headcannon it out of your personal fandom and go read fanfiction that fulfills what you want. (I have to do this a lot with issues in Harry Potter...oh god...)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Isis-Lied on March 05, 2014, 12:50:20 AM
I don't understand all the hate either; god forbid people have actual opinions on the Internet that are different from your own -.- Though, at least most ANE fans don't fight over pairings/have shipping wars.

Although, there's always someone who has to flame/bash.  A guest reviewer for one of my fics (City of Demons, if anyone's curious and wants to see the review on ff.net) bashed Mephisto/Shura despite it being only a side pairing and not the main pairing of the fic (Rin/Izumo). He/She then tried to prove that Mephisto was already married because one of his aliases was Loki. And then implied I was stupid just for liking the pairing and my only saving grace was that I shipped Rin/Izumo. Like seriously? Sorry, ranting aside, I hate when people bash other people's pairings.

I really hope this person isn't on this forum/lurking around
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 05, 2014, 12:56:03 AM
Am I a bad person for almost wanting to see a major character death (perhaps any one of the ExWires?) just to shake things up in the hetero shipping spectrum?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 05, 2014, 01:20:28 AM
Oh sorry actually what I meant was that it's weird because in all of the shounen series i've read/seen it sucks having an otp in it because the closest they'll ever get is a hug, but in Blue Exorcist I think at least one ship will come true or at least that's my opinion anyway.. sorry if i'm not being very clear it's hard to explain
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on March 05, 2014, 01:44:41 AM
As a survivor of the Bleach Flame wars, I was actually happy to see none bashed me for supporting something not-so-popular as RinIzu.

I remember when I was active within the IchiRuki fanbase, the other IchiRuki hated me because I wanted peace with the IchiHime... and the IchiHime hated me because I was IchiRuki... and god forbid I disagreed about an IchiRuki theory.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: weazulgrl on March 05, 2014, 02:15:57 AM
I don't understand all the hate either; god forbid people have actual opinions on the Internet that are different from your own -.- Though, at least most ANE fans don't fight over pairings/have shipping wars.

Although, there's always someone who has to flame/bash.  A guest reviewer for one of my fics (City of Demons, if anyone's curious and wants to see the review on ff.net) bashed Mephisto/Shura despite it being only a side pairing and not the main pairing of the fic (Rin/Izumo). He/She then tried to prove that Mephisto was already married because one of his aliases was Loki. And then implied I was stupid just for liking the pairing and my only saving grace was that I shipped Rin/Izumo. Like seriously? Sorry, ranting aside, I hate when people bash other people's pairings.

I really hope this person isn't on this forum/lurking around
wait... wouldn't a better "Mephisto is already married" reason being pointing out the fact that in some Judeochristian lore Samael is married to Lilith?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Isis-Lied on March 05, 2014, 02:31:42 AM
Probably; it was just funny how the reviewer was implying that Mephy was married to Sigyn, considering Loki was far from faithful. Does Sleipneir, Jorgmundr, Hela, or Fenrir ring a bell? And yah, I was surprised I didn't get any "he's totally married to Lilith" thing either even though they both slept around as well -.-
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BlooCloud on March 05, 2014, 02:45:32 AM
I agree about the shipping here and in AnE as a whole.

I have to say, I am a huuuuge shipper. I ship in everything and I've been doing so since I can remember, lol. But AnE was quite different where it was one of the few stories where I was EXTREMELY more interested in the plot than the romance (SnK was also like this).

However, of course, as time went on I began shipping more since I had less to read after catching up with the series, lol. But what I like is that there is no shipping wars in the fandom (as of yet...mainly). And people seem to be like "meh, whatever" about other people's shipping preferences, which I like. I think it might also have to do with how everyone is so interested in the plot.

But I've seen shipping wars and sometimes a little debate can be nice, but wars get ugly real fast. I don't care if you hate a ship, but when you start hating shippers based on their ship in any way that's what I find unacceptable and childish.

I like that people here are understanding that the ship doesn't equal the shipper, and not to judge based on it.

Anyway, on the topic of AnE ships, since when is Mephisto married? I find that highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on March 05, 2014, 02:47:11 AM
It would be an awesome plot twist though.

But I think I'd pity his wife.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 05, 2014, 03:25:59 AM
I have a feeling Mephy's "wife" would get pretty sick of all his anime body pillows..
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 05, 2014, 03:30:43 AM
I have a feeling Mephy sleeps around, or in Demon Society they don't have a concept of "marriage". So he can be with Lilith, he can be with all of his Loki wives, etc...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 05, 2014, 04:02:59 AM
And if you go with my Welsh myth crack theory piece Mephisto also had three kids with Lucifer
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BlooCloud on March 05, 2014, 04:12:11 AM
I feel like Mephisto's "wife" would only be found in a simulation game.

Though on a slightly more serious note, he does seem like quite the lady's man. Very flirtatious and a smooth talker. I wouldn't doubt him getting around *if he really wanted to*.
(I don't know how much he'd want to leave his precious moe girls and anime games.)

But I'm definitely a Mephisto/Shura shipper. I don't know if I ship them romantically, but there could be serious sexual tension in that pair.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Isis-Lied on March 05, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
Lol, yes, Mephy is married to his 2D girls. I'm sure if anyone tried to find out about his love life he'd probably just list out moe anime girls and the like :P
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: AmazingBlueKitty on March 05, 2014, 10:44:13 PM
I feel like Mephisto's "wife" would only be found in a simulation game.

Or he has a body pillow of his "wife"
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Toraii212 on March 05, 2014, 11:38:51 PM
I feel like Mephisto's "wife" would only be found in a simulation game.

Though on a slightly more serious note, he does seem like quite the lady's man. Very flirtatious and a smooth talker. I wouldn't doubt him getting around *if he really wanted to*.
(I don't know how much he'd want to leave his precious moe girls and anime games.)

But I'm definitely a Mephisto/Shura shipper. I don't know if I ship them romantically, but there could be serious sexual tension in that pair.
^This.xD
I was never big in to shipping either.o.0 Right now I only ship MephyxShura and that's just because I read a few funny(and good) fanfic's about them.
On a side note:
There are other paring in SnK besides ErenxMikasa and KristaxYmir?0.0 And I don't mean crack pairing...
And yes shipping wars are the worst but to be honest I love how hilarious the Naruto shipping wars are.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 06, 2014, 12:14:53 AM
Ah, right.

Is a Rin x Yukio x Shiemi threesome an option?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 06, 2014, 12:21:17 AM
If IzumoXLuciferXShiemi is becoming a thing, I'm pretty sure RinXYukioXShiemi is valid xD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 06, 2014, 01:33:11 AM
Izumo x Lucifer x Shiemi is so crack....


But if Shiemi were OK with polyamory (seems like she would be) and the twins just didn't want to lose her to the other twin...

Seems like it would get tricky but it's better than Rin or Yukio getting depressed.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on March 06, 2014, 01:40:26 AM
That will only work if they manage to resolve their issues though.

They need to love and trust each other as much as they love her, else it won't hold.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 06, 2014, 02:49:09 AM
@Tardar YES! Rin x Shiemi x Yukio is totally an option but I think I prefer Izumo x Lucifer x Shiemi :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 06, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
Ah, right.

Is a Rin x Yukio x Shiemi threesome an option?

I was just about to post this today XD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 06, 2014, 11:11:24 PM
I want all three of them together it's the only way to satisfy both my okumuracest and YukiShi ships!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MagiValkyria on March 06, 2014, 11:17:44 PM
I want all three of them together it's the only way to satisfy both my okumuracest and YukiShi ships!

It does the same thing for me, satisfying my RinShi ship as well.

I see some kind of dirty fanfic starting with 'Sooo...table for three?" or something with this ship xD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 06, 2014, 11:22:56 PM
Yes!

I'm also currently shipping Lucifer with just about ever character possible.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 06, 2014, 11:25:08 PM
^ I dare you to create a fanfiction of that, all in one.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 06, 2014, 11:28:46 PM
Lucifer with every character possible? I'm no writer, but I MUST! LuciferxIzumoxShiemixYukioxRinxShimaBrothersxBonxKonekoxTakaraxMephistoxAmaimonxDoixMamushixArtherxShuraxShiroxeverone else

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 06, 2014, 11:31:53 PM
I love who you include Doi in there xD
Run, run and write to your hearts desire!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 06, 2014, 11:33:19 PM
The first chapter should be a dinner date with ALL of them, and everyone's fighting to sit next to Luce
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Isis-Lied on March 06, 2014, 11:57:34 PM
Omygod Lucyxeveryone needs to be a thing would anyone read a crack series of oneshots where Lucifer woos a certain character and vice-versa?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 07, 2014, 12:05:37 AM
YES I would love to read a crack series for him, I might give it a try some time but i'm not really a writer..

There is no one who can't be wooed by Luce
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Elaedan on March 07, 2014, 05:39:55 AM
For example after chapter 55 we started with Neqtar joke shipping Lucifer hard with his brothers and after seeing A pic on tumblr of Samael-Rin-Lucifer I think my sis started shipping hard Mephisto and Luci.... She was so dedicated ShiroxMepphy shipper before but now... xD


^But RinxShiemixYukio sounds good to me too in every way!
Or Mephisto and his anime girls... That would be the best love he could give to anyone.... ;,DD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 07, 2014, 10:51:56 AM
I think I know the picture your talking about (..I think I posted it 0_0) and Mephisto and his anime girls is practically canon
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on March 15, 2014, 02:25:43 PM
Speaking of crack pairings, does anyone still ships Izumo/Shima? Except me, I mean. In the last couple of chapters there's plenty of wicked pictures of them together.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 15, 2014, 04:47:37 PM
Well, whatever floats your boat is fine but... o.e that's become a NOTP for me at this point.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 15, 2014, 04:49:14 PM
Why not do nine-tail fox X Shima? Not Izumo, the fox 8D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 17, 2014, 01:48:14 AM
lol Shima joined the Illuminati betraying all his friends and family to finally be with his long lost lover.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on March 17, 2014, 01:50:04 AM
It makes at least as much sense as his current reasons.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on March 17, 2014, 01:51:50 AM
Frick it makes a lot of sense, they just need a way to meet.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BrilliantAkane on March 17, 2014, 01:57:59 AM
I think it's safe to say this is canon
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on March 18, 2014, 06:32:27 AM
In the emails I thought you were talking about another ship.

Mother of Lugh, what have I done again? Ah well. I'm throwing it in my official crack ship list now.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on March 18, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Seems like the craziest crack pairings are more popular than Izumo/Renzou these days, lol.

lol Shima joined the Illuminati betraying all his friends and family to finally be with his long lost lover.
Well, seems obvious to me now that Izumo is not Shima's priority and never has been. Not romantically anyway :D
But it's interesting that Shima's change from weak and boring comic relief to powerful 3-dimensional widely discussed character coincides with a lot more interaction between him and Izumo - and what interaction! emotional, physical - they talk seriously for the first time in the whole manga. even if not really freindly.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Exsanguination on April 08, 2014, 05:13:16 AM
This was on the Funny thread but it belongs here also.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Exsanguination on April 08, 2014, 11:14:11 AM
I ship Arthur-Caliburn. "Kyaaah! Arthur, you're so violent~<3".
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 28, 2014, 05:34:48 PM
Whoa, it's a tie between everything. :o I was not expecting that.

Though I'm mostly surprised that Izumo x Renzou is still as high as it is, given that, well, Renzou.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: yaodai on July 28, 2014, 05:42:02 PM
People still have hope, I guess?
Or the power of denial is still strong in this fandom.

Anyhow, voted for Rin/Shiemi and Bon/Izumo.

I find Rin to be a rather panromantic guy (and I love it, Rin being constantly in awe when other characters are doing their thing is really amazing&lovely stuff), but his relationship with Shiemi is just really cute.

And about Bon/Izumo - this started accidentally, I swear. Not even an idea when, exactly, but I just really like to put them together (even if it would probably start with them breaking the ice by trying to break each other faces and that's somewhat unhealthy -_-')
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on July 29, 2014, 01:12:13 AM
I guess the only shipping that seems like it will be official to me is Rin/Shiemi since it looked like kind of a done deal from the start. I actually didn't think Yukio had romantic feelings for Shiemi until "Brother always does what I can't. I guess I'm no match for him." But then he pretty much conceeded defeat, and again at the festival, so... I'm betting on Rin/Shiemi. Though I think I do detect some chemistry with Arthur/Shura...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 01:18:17 AM
^ Same. I actually suspect they might have had a fling before (Shura and Arthur, I mean).

But yeah, Rin x Shiemi is pretty much guaranteed to be endgame. Unless Kazue decides to surprise us... She kinda did with Shima, so I wouldn't put it past her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on July 29, 2014, 01:33:31 AM
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^ Same. I actually suspect they might have had a fling before (Shura and Arthur, I mean).

You know, that's really not so hard to imagine! They sort of make me think of exes who are still into eachother, but won't admit it! Heh!  ;)

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But yeah, Rin x Shiemi is pretty much guaranteed to be endgame. Unless Kazue decides to surprise us... She kinda did with Shima, so I wouldn't put it past her.

Yeah, I'll admit, I like Shiemi with Yukio as much as I like her with Rin, but, let's face it, Yukio's already seen Rin and Shiemi have feelings for eachother and, true to form, has backed off without a peep. So, like you said, unless Kazue plans to surprise us like with Shima, that's endgame.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 01:40:07 AM
I wonder if she'll bring in a new girl for Yukio if Shiemi ends up with Rin.

Pairing him with Izumo certainly isn't an option (have they even talked to each other outside of class?), and I have the feeling his dislike for Shura is genuine. He relies on her because he has to, but he would develop an ulcer in weeks if he had to be around her all the time.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on July 29, 2014, 01:57:05 AM
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I wonder if she'll bring in a new girl for Yukio if Shiemi ends up with Rin.

I wonder too, or weather our four eyed chicken will be a bachelor 'till the end? 'Guess that's up to Kazuo. 

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Pairing him with Izumo certainly isn't an option (have they even talked to each other outside of class?

Agreed, though I have crack theory that they go to the same therapist! LOL!  ;)

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and I have the feeling his dislike for Shura is genuine. He relies on her because he has to, but he would develop an ulcer in weeks if he had to be around her all the time.

Though I don't ship'em, I wouldn't call it "dislike". I kind of see it as more of an older and younger sibling interaction.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: cottontailcake on July 29, 2014, 02:04:07 AM
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Pairing him with Izumo certainly isn't an option (have they even talked to each other outside of class?

Agreed, though I have crack theory that they go to the same therapist! LOL!  ;)

Ooh, the crackfic opportunity... >.>

... and the therapist is self-appointed and goes by the name Shura. Her preferred method is to annoy her clients until they melt into piles of seething lava or concede that her way of doing things is better.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 29, 2014, 02:21:18 AM
*Laughs so much she dies.*

I like Yukio with Paku too. She's a bit like Shiemi though without the similar studies/hobbies. The thing is, they've never talked. Unless Paku decides to get on the Yukio Okumura Fangirl Stalker bandwagon for some reason. But I think we've heard about it.

Yukio's problem is that he's demisexual and REALLY only interested in Shiemi, he'll not be interested in anyone else for a while. Or else he'd take his pick from literally half the school and move on with his life. I'm not sure if he realizes how popular he is but he has been asked out...(This is the reason people resist Yukishi, he does come off at first as too popular and extremely perfect while Rin is the underdog.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: echo on July 29, 2014, 02:34:24 AM
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    and I have the feeling his dislike for Shura is genuine. He relies on her because he has to, but he would develop an ulcer in weeks if he had to be around her all the time.

Though I don't ship'em, I wouldn't call it "dislike". I kind of see it as more of an older and younger sibling interaction.

That's how I see their relationship, too! I thought it was really neat how Shura seemed concerned about the Morinas Contract and spoke up after Yukio left the meeting.

Though I also agree that they would seriously drive each other up the wall if they had to spend a lot of time together - especially if there were no mission to keep them occupied.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on July 29, 2014, 04:07:02 AM
*Laughs so much she dies.*

I like Yukio with Paku too. She's a bit like Shiemi though without the similar studies/hobbies. The thing is, they've never talked. Unless Paku decides to get on the Yukio Okumura Fangirl Stalker bandwagon for some reason. But I think we've heard about it.

Yukio's problem is that he's demisexual and REALLY only interested in Shiemi, he'll not be interested in anyone else for a while. Or else he'd take his pick from literally half the school and move on with his life. I'm not sure if he realizes how popular he is but he has been asked out...(This is the reason people resist Yukishi, he does come off at first as too popular and extremely perfect while Rin is the underdog.)

I once read a fic where one of the background ships was Yukio x Paku.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 04:11:54 AM
I once read a fic where one of the background ships was Yukio x Paku.

I don't mind the idea of them together, but it would really feel like Pair the Spares (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PairTheSpares).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 29, 2014, 04:16:30 AM
To me, it feels like Yukio gets really left out if Rin and Shiemi get together. He might not interfere out of respect for her, and because he has no idea how to handle a relationship with her, but he'd resent it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 04:26:56 AM
I think either of them would resent it if Shiemi got with the other. Rin would handle it better, but it would still sting.

If Rin and Yukio ever reconcile and decide to run off together, I hope they dump her for exactly that reason. I know she means well, but if there's one thing that can interfere with the twins' efforts to get closer, it's her. And they really don't need that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on July 29, 2014, 05:02:08 AM
I once read a fic where one of the background ships was Yukio x Paku.

I don't mind the idea of them together, but it would really feel like Pair the Spares (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PairTheSpares).

Yeah, it was weird pairing. It was a Rin x Izumo fic and then the secondary pairings were Shiemi x Amaimon and Paku x Yukio.

Paku needs to pair up with Godaiin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 05:32:13 AM
Yukio's problem is that he's demisexual and REALLY only interested in Shiemi, he'll not be interested in anyone else for a while. Or else he'd take his pick from literally half the school and move on with his life. I'm not sure if he realizes how popular he is but he has been asked out...(This is the reason people resist Yukishi, he does come off at first as too popular and extremely perfect while Rin is the underdog.)
Yukio most likely see he's popular but realize they don't know what he's really like. He also has a self esteem problem making him think he's not good enough or not yet. He also has an inferiority complex, namely towards his father and brother. And since Rin is interested in Shiemi he kind have given up, even though he's not at peace with that decision. Also he's busy and still in high school, so like Ryuuji he thinks it's not the right time. And he knew Shiemi for a long time, i.e. he has the feeling he waited a long time already and can wait some more. Especially since she doesn't seem ready for this at all.


I think if they both take care of their problems and have a fair shot at expressing their feelings, neither of them will resent the other. If one is at a disadvantage, he'll regret not having done differently and might resent the other for not giving him more time or something.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 05:40:40 AM
^ I don't mean resent as in blame them. It's just that they'll probably be uncomfortable for a while seeing their brother and Shiemi together.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 06:09:43 AM
^But I don't think it should be awkward between the brothers. Only between the one rejected and shiemi, for the time it will take him to give up on her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 06:12:02 AM
^ Nah, it will be awkward between the brothers too. It's already awkward between them.

Unless of course their relationship has drastically improved by then, but even then it would take some getting used to.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 06:15:43 AM
^ You say "Unless of course their relationship has drastically improved by then" and I said "if they both take care of their problems and have a fair shot at expressing their feelings, [...]". So maybe we more or less agree.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 06:19:57 AM
^ Yeah... but the problem is, fixing their relationship is gonna take some time. So I kinda hope Shiemi stays out of the way for a while there, because it's really something they need to do on their own, and having her around might make things harder.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 06:22:09 AM
^ I get you. But don't fear, Shiemi is far from getting in a relationship. imo.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: siyrean on July 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
while it looks like Rin will get Sheimi simply because he's the main character, I don't like the idea of her basically being a prize. I mean, everything i see leads me to believe she's more interested in Yukio and that Rin until recently, didn't even cross her mind as more than a friend. I also feel it'd be a lot easier for a new character to be introduced that Rin likes than one for Yukio, if she were to want to pair em both off.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 29, 2014, 06:41:03 AM
Yeah, Shiemi is very sheltered and unfamiliar with this relationship idea. She's probably way too shy. Maybe even worse than Yukio. So unless someone makes the first move, she won't think about it.

Yukio won't make the first move.

Rin would, unless he's convinced she likes Yukio. If she brings it up though, he might want to go further. Otherwise you won't have to worry about her staying out of the way.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 07:08:00 AM
I think Shiemi likes Yukio, but thinks she's too young for being in a relationship. So she's planing on continuing her childish romance until she graduates. Then she'd make a move.


I think Rin knows she likes Yukio. Wasn't that what he meant when he told her "I get it" at the festival?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 07:25:23 AM
^ Yeah... but just because she likes Yukio doesn't mean she doesn't like Rin. I think she's still pretty unsure of her preference herself, and Rin understood that, so he didn't want to force her to choose.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 29, 2014, 08:48:26 AM
This is why I like the OT3 Rin x Shiemi x Yukio. She outright said she likes Rin, and Katou said "look, this chapter says who Shiemi likes" in one of the interviews. Her crush on Yukio is really obvious, however, yet never outright stated....so does that mean it was a red herring all along?

Shiemi is famous for sending the wrong signals at this point.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 09:33:19 AM
^I'm sorry but citing sources is necessary for quotes to have any credibility.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on July 29, 2014, 02:47:21 PM
^ I think tardar is talking about this one. (http://www.mangahere.co/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v08/c047/34.html)

I wonder what Paku will think about anyone getting together with Rin, since she does seem to have a crush on him:

(Of course we kinda saw it in this (http://www.mangahere.co/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v02/c006/6.html) page but it's not as good as this:)
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...especially when Okumura-san’s smile was cute and she thought he was handsome

...

This boy who was called Rin, not only he had a special presence, and he always brought along a long sword in a bag, so he could be recognised from far away.

(Eh? So it was Okumura-san……)

Paku’s heart skipped a beat.
Weekend Hero Ch. 2 (http://harezora.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/ao-no-exorcist-novel-weekend-hero-chapter-2-i-want-to-dance-the-tango-with-you/)

Though I don't ship it, I'm very curious about this and how she would feel about Rin being with someone else.
I think she's definitely the type who would support the girl, and she seems like she knows Izumo has a secret crush on him buuut...how would she really feel? hmm~


Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Desktop Warrior on July 29, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
Haha, guess I have it easy, with my crack!ship of Shiemi/Shima. Yes, I know it'll never happen, but still. The side benefit is that it avoids all the brother drama crap. Also Ridaiin, but that's for another thread.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 29, 2014, 03:51:26 PM
^ I think tardar is talking about this one. (http://www.mangahere.co/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v08/c047/34.html)
I was talking about the 'Katou said in an interview' quote.


About Weekend Hero, I've read it and I'm sure "Paku’s heart skipped a beat" at the idea of Izumo being in love with Rin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 29, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Haha, guess I have it easy, with my crack!ship of Shiemi/Shima. Yes, I know it'll never happen, but still. The side benefit is that it avoids all the brother drama crap. Also Ridaiin, but that's for another thread.

You know, I can actually imagine Shiemi/Shima easier than Izumo/Shiemi. If there's one person who would be able to forgive Shima, it's her.

Also he didn't spend the whole story creeping her out.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 30, 2014, 02:06:56 AM
@Chino: Go check out the interview she did in Germany. I'm 90% sure the source is in there (she redirects the reader to the page Moon just mentioned, anyway), if it's not in there, it's in one of the more recent volume Q&A  sessions. I thought you'd have read it and remembered.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 30, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
^ I never saw it and don't have time to search. It's not like chapters, where there's a chronological order. And I don't read and watch all the interviews and Q&As or tweets, there's way too many.

Anyway, I doubt she said that. Authors always troll people at interviews, they don't sit there explaining parts of the manga that wasn't clear enough.

Up to that point everything showed Shiemi was in love with Yukio and completely oblivious to Rin. Then after being kind of rejected by Yukio, Paku makes her realize Rin loves her. The next day at the festival, she hesitates so Rin tells her "I get it" before going to get Yukio. Then she think to Rin "I like you".
So either she still loves Yukio or she doesn't know who she loves anymore. But she likes Rin for understanding/respecting that.
If she doesn't love Yukio anymore and now loves Rin, why bringing Yukio would make her happy? That would be the guy who just rejected her and the guy she just decided she doesn't love anymore. That doesn't make any sense. If she just decided she loves Rin, she'd tell him, and she would want to be more or less alone with him, at least not along with the guy she just decided she doesn't love anymore.

My cell phone is dying and I got to go.
Maybe I didn't think this through enough, but that's what I saw while reading. I'd like to call the shiping-goggle on people who can't see that, but I'll be fair so I won't.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pnkv12 on July 30, 2014, 05:55:31 PM
don't forget ShiemixAmaimon too even though it's the most unlikely to come true. Oh and I'd prefer YukioxF.A (you know... With no one :D ) but YukioxShura so far, got my support.

Edited: Have anyone ever thought about MephistoxShura?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Desktop Warrior on July 30, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
You know, I can actually imagine Shiemi/Shima easier than Izumo/Shiemi. If there's one person who would be able to forgive Shima, it's her.

Also he didn't spend the whole story creeping her out.

Haha, somehow, I think a lot would be easier than Izumo/Shiemi because of the whole same-sex thing. Unless you meant to say 'Shima' instead of 'Shiemi'?

Up to that point everything showed Shiemi was in love with Yukio and completely oblivious to Rin. Then after being kind of rejected by Yukio, Paku makes her realize Rin loves her. The next day at the festival, she hesitates so Rin tells her "I get it" before going to get Yukio. Then she think to Rin "I like you".
So either she still loves Yukio or she doesn't know who she loves anymore. But she likes Rin for understanding/respecting that.
If she doesn't love Yukio anymore and now loves Rin, why bringing Yukio would make her happy? That would be the guy who just rejected her and the guy she just decided she doesn't love anymore. That doesn't make any sense. If she just decided she loves Rin, she'd tell him, and she would want to be more or less alone with him, at least not along with the guy she just decided she doesn't love anymore.

My cell phone is dying and I got to go.
Maybe I didn't think this through enough, but that's what I saw while reading. I'd like to call the shiping-goggle on people who can't see that, but I'll be fair so I won't.

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. Yukio wasn't 'rejecting' her at that point - he had the role of a teacher at that dance, regardless of his age, so of course he couldn't dance with one of his students. Whatever he may or may not feel about her, that's irrelevant.

I think Rin was just trying to make the best of matters and have the three of them getting along. Which I feel is what Shiemi wants, too: no matter who ends up with whom, I think both her and Rin would like to be comfortable with each other and with Yukio. (Yukio's nii-san complex and mess of feelings are another matter.)

I also think that, because Shiemi is very new to the idea of social interaction, she doesn't always distinguish between friendship and romance. To be fair to her, it's not always easy for other people to do so, either. It's obvious that she's trying to discover what her own feelings are. Complicating it for her is that she couldn't even see Rin had feelings for her until Paku pointed it out herself.

Replying to your last paragraph, A) it's possible to be in love with two people at once, B) different people handle perceived rejection differently, and C) I still say Shiemi wants the three of them to get along, regardless of who's together with who. Even if Shiemi had felt "rejected" by Yukio (which she wasn't because again, teachers are generally not allowed to dance with students at these events and Yukio had to make that clear), it doesn't necessarily mean she'd want nothing to do with him. I also don't think she's firmly decided that she's "in love" with Rin. People don't fall in and out of love that easily. I got the sense that she meant she liked him as more than just a simple friend, though not enough to want to be in an exclusive relationship with him. Does that make sense? Her feelings are muddled, and right now, she just wants to enjoy the dance.

tl;dr romance is complicated and illogical and looking for sense in it is like looking for water on the moon.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Breakingchains49 on July 30, 2014, 08:05:37 PM
don't forget ShiemixAmaimon too even though it's the most unlikely to come true. Oh and I'd prefer YukioxF.A (you know... With no one :D ) but YukioxShura so far, got my support.

Edited: Have anyone ever thought about MephistoxShura?

YukioxShura
shura is 26 and yukio is 15.......
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on July 30, 2014, 08:09:47 PM
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It's quite a bit more complicated than that. Yukio wasn't 'rejecting' her at that point - he had the role of a teacher at that dance, regardless of his age, so of course he couldn't dance with one of his students. Whatever he may or may not feel about her, that's irrelevant.
Wasn't that just an excuse? I thought he went on took on that role so he wouldn't have to go with a girl or something.

He expected Shiemi to choose Rin when he rejected her, right? And cursed himself afterwards. Quite frankly, even if he was going to accept - he'd probably still reject her in any case, I think.


But I do agree that Shiemi wants all three to get along, and she's not seeking  for romance in either of them right now.
Which I personally like, because it means you get to watch a friendship possibly grow into something else, which is better than random crushes go straight to relationship, imo.



@breaking chains: Age doesn't matter to some shippers - if they see love that's what they see.
 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Desktop Warrior on July 30, 2014, 08:18:48 PM
Wasn't that just an excuse? I thought he went on took on that role so he wouldn't have to go with a girl or something.

Did he? Am I not remembering this chapter correctly or something?

He expected Shiemi to choose Rin when he rejected her, right? And cursed himself afterwards. Quite frankly, even if he was going to accept - he'd probably still reject her in any case, I think.

I remember the first part. Not that he cursed himself afterward.

Yeah, I think he'd do the same thing. Seems like both the brothers are planning on backing down if the other seems to be making a move on Shiemi, which will only worsen the tension between them.

Which I personally like, because it means you get to watch a friendship possibly grow into something else, which is better than random crushes go straight to relationship, imo.

Yes, this! It's a very organic, realistic relationship. And who knows? Maybe Shiemi really will end up with someone else. I'd rather not have the predictable Rin/Shiemi outcome, though I don't judge anyone on what they ship.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: themoonlandian on July 30, 2014, 08:44:43 PM
Wasn't that just an excuse? I thought he went on took on that role so he wouldn't have to go with a girl or something.

Did he? Am I not remembering this chapter correctly or something?

I'm too lazy to check - but from what I can remember since this was done in the regular school thing, he just went and became a volunteer.
I don't think it was mentioned outright, but I'm pretty sure it was kinda implied he did it for that reason (and also probs because of everything that was going on in his mind, as well)

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I remember the first part. Not that he cursed himself afterward.

Yeah, I think he'd do the same thing. Seems like both the brothers are planning on backing down if the other seems to be making a move on Shiemi, which will only worsen the tension between them.

That's when Shura came in afterwards and teased him about it.

Depending on the circumstances, really. If it happened soon, then yes, there would be.
If YukiShi happened, I think Rin would be more easygoing on it than Yukio with RinShi happening.

But in the future, it's possible no tension would occur, or little of it, or Yukio would be better about it. (and as you said below, someone else could come into the picture)
Hard to say really.


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Yes, this! It's a very organic, realistic relationship. And who knows? Maybe Shiemi really will end up with someone else. I'd rather not have the predictable Rin/Shiemi outcome, though I don't judge anyone on what they ship.

I think a lot of us don't want Rinshi to occur just because it seems to obvious.
I don't judge people who do want it though, either
Hell, I'll read things from all kinds of ships be it I like it or not. (Though, if I really don't like it I'm more likely to avoid it. If it's something I haven't seen yet I try and give it a chance, though.)
Hence even more why I am surprised I got stuck on yer Ridaiin ship.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on October 11, 2014, 05:17:52 AM
 ;D So I'm new to this lol. I do follow the manga now and I'm all caught up, so spoilers can't hurt me HA! jk jk jk. Anyways...yea RinXIzumo all the way. I used to be RinXShiemi, but it's true from what I read she is basically friendzoning him. Despite what people may say about Yukio, Shiemi is definitely for Yukio. They had more of history with each other before Rin. Plus, yea Yukio's not right in the head right now, but Shiemi has to come to his rescue right? Rin and Izumo actually match all the way, I can tell Rin is going to grow on Izumo by a lot by the end of this recent arc.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on October 11, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
They do seem to be growing closer, do they?

Of course, becoming friends also means 'growing closer' in Izumo's case, so it doesn't have to mean anything... but I'd definitely give them more of a chance now than before this arc.

Oh, and welcome. ^^
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on October 18, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
Whoa, Rin/Izumo is actually winning. I didn't think it would happen. The latest arc is very much Izumo and Rin/Izumo centered.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on October 18, 2014, 09:17:36 PM
^ Me neither.

I wonder if this will actually get us somewhere or if Kazue is just playing with expectations.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: sherripon on October 19, 2014, 12:49:11 AM
I'm surprised that there are 10 other trolls who voted Arthur/Caliburn as well LOL.

Aside from shipping Rin/Yukio I for one actually think Mephisto/Shura might happen, despite the 200+ age difference lol. But since it's not up there I voted Rin/Izumo (partly because of recent chapters) and Yukio/Shura (seeing Yukio constantly being driven up the wall is hilarious) for the heck of it :P

Personally I don't think either Rin or Yukio would actually end up with a ship by the end of the series... it'd probably be kinda like a friends forever ending maybe? Rin/Shiemi and Yukio/Shiemi does seem to have the highest possibility so I'm okay if it ends up with either of these pair even though I didn't vote for it (because I'd like to see a twist).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on October 19, 2014, 06:37:32 AM
For someone who always attempted to prove Izumo liked Rin, I think recent chapters, if anything, will make things worse for a while after this arc. The last progress Izumo made was when Paku told her to be honest with her feelings and she decided to go help Rin at the stand during the festival. But a lot happened since then and I think she'll need some time alone. And what Rin did for her in this arc, he would have done the same for other members of the group given the same circumstances.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on October 19, 2014, 07:40:06 AM
For someone who always attempted to prove Izumo liked Rin, I think recent chapters, if anything, will make things worse for a while after this arc. The last progress Izumo made was when Paku told her to be honest with her feelings and she decided to go help Rin at the stand during the festival. But a lot happened since then and I think she'll need some time alone. And what Rin did for her in this arc, he would have done the same for other members of the group given the same circumstances.

My dream shipping for this series will for now on be RinXIzumo. You are right things are going to be really awkward after this arc because of what she tried to do. Now about Paku; even before that chapter, I remember she would tease Izumo about Rin and of course she would blush at the thought and they had that instance in the morning when Rin was brushing his teeth. Face it though, with Shiemi; it is a no-no anymore because she obviously has had more history with Yukio and looks up to him since. With Izumo at least from what we read in book 11; there have been also instances where Izumo would kinda get jealous over the fact Rin would try to find a way to ask Shiemi to the dance. Paku telling Izumo to be true with her feelings was the fact that she wanted to be asked to dance or at least be there for someone who she knows needs her. I'm rooting for them lol.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on October 19, 2014, 06:13:17 PM
You are right things are going to be really awkward after this arc because of what she tried to do.
I wasn't talking about how she turned down everyone's help. She already realized she was wrong about that. I think she won't make the same mistake twice. Next thing she'll do is say sorry and say she won't try to always do everything on her own anymore.

What I was talking about was the things she went through mentally and physically. Mainly the loved ones she lost and the nine tails possession. She'll need some time alone to clear her mind. I don't think she'll be in the spirit for romantic shenanigans.

I'm still rooting for her, just saying the last chapters didn't help; on the contrary.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on October 19, 2014, 09:03:43 PM
You are right things are going to be really awkward after this arc because of what she tried to do.
I wasn't talking about how she turned down everyone's help. She already realized she was wrong about that. I think she won't make the same mistake twice. Next thing she'll do is say sorry and say she won't try to always do everything on her own anymore.

What I was talking about was the things she went through mentally and physically. Mainly the loved ones she lost and the nine tails possession. She'll need some time alone to clear her mind. I don't think she'll be in the spirit for romantic shenanigans.

I'm still rooting for her, just saying the last chapters didn't help; on the contrary.
It wasn't just her rejecting help, but nobody in the group knew about her history and why she was so persistence to be alone. I mean if you look back when she rejected Rin about the rice ball stand, she says she doesn't trust anyone. It made Rin wonder and asked why she is so stuck up to be alone, especially her moments with Bon. Now that people know her history we don't know if the group will pity her or do what you say leave her alone that way she can have some time alone to think. That's what I meant by how the group is going to be awkward after this arc and knowing Izumo's history. 8)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on October 19, 2014, 11:35:49 PM
Now that people know her history we don't know if the group will pity her or do what you say leave her alone that way she can have some time alone to think. That's what I meant by how the group is going to be awkward after this arc and knowing Izumo's history. 8)
So you were talking about Izumo's past, and you didn't mean Izumo being awkward with the others but the others being awkward with Izumo.
Though we already saw their reactions to her; Yukio continues to be the detached teacher and exorcist, Ryuuji continues to criticize her and play her academic rival, Shiemi continues to want to be her close friend, Koneko continues to try to make her work with them as a team, and Rin continues to be kind to her in his own way and try to save her like he always try to save everyone. So basically, nothing as changed in the way they want to treat her.

Also, this is the shipping thread and I was talking about Izumo's feelings.
When I said "recent chapters, if anything, will make things worse" and "last chapters didn't help; on the contrary", I meant "recent chapters will make things worse for Izumo to acknowledge her feelings and do something about it".
And when I say "need some time alone", I mean "not in the spirit for romance" (that's what it means where I come from). I don't mean to literally isolate yourself from others. And I never implied "the group will leave her alone so she can have some time to think". And I don't understand why pity should be the opposite of literally leaving someone alone. I don't think the group will leave her alone nor pity her. I Also don't think Izumo wants to be left alone nor pitied. I think (and actually observe, imo) the others will stay by her side and treat her like they always did. And what I think, like I said above, is that Izumo won't think or do anything about her feelings for a while, so she won't try to get into a relationship AKA will need some time alone.
edit: Need some time alone to clear her mind from the painful things she went through mentally and physically.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on January 29, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
I came here to hunt some Rin/Sheimi/Yukio scenes for a friend who watched the anime but wants me to spoil everything in the manga for her (she loves watching those three interact and ships RinxSheimi but isn't a manga person), and I got so engrossed in reading the arguments that I just had to comment.

A lot of what was said is surprising me a lot. I'm just going to comment my own opinion on some of these pairings.

Note though, romance is my least favourite genre and I actually prefer not to ship anybody with anything. This manga is actually the only one that has gotten me mildly interested in the pairings because the characters and interactions are so well done!

RinxSheimi -- Like most people, I wish this didn't happen because it's so obvious, but I can also see it being the most likely pairing mainly because of a few things. Firstly, it's the pairing that has been actively given the most attention by the author, and has had the most blatant statements on. Secondly, the author has clearly stated that Sheimi will mature more and more as the manga progresses, and by the end of it she'll be a completely different person. Maturing might also include her romantic awareness. Also, Rin is the protagonist and obviously has HUGE feelings for Sheimi so I feel like the author might feel the need to put some justice for Rin? Finally, I feel like Sheimi will be a used as a HUGE plot device for Rin later on, especially because he has so many feelings for her, and she might be necessary for him to like, do something to save her or something? He feels more affection for her than he does for anyone in the cram school.
Also, I feel like if it came down to it, he'd save Sheimi over his own brother. (Probably male-protectiveness, feeling like Yukio can protect himself, and he seems closer to her).

YukioxSheimi -- Can't see it happening. I see it being used to show both their developments as characters, but not developing the relationship. Ah, that was worded weirdly...basically, they both started the series having huge admiration for each other (someone put it nicely. Yukio sees a beautiful pure girl, and Sheimi sees a perfect genius). Now, as the series progresses and Rin gets involved, we see this initial "romance" being broken. Sheimi is seeing Yukio's flaws more and more, and Yukio is now actively backing away. He has stated a few times that she "probably doesn't have any other intentions" and stuff. Also, it seems like the only way she is good for him is occasionally making him at peace. He likes talking to her and interacting with her, and spending time with her, but like...as a person, not a girlfriend. She keeps him at peace short-term. With Rin, she can hug him and tell him it's all right, and it will affect Rin. Yukio? He won't let anyone close to him. If he broods, someone like Shura can slap him back into place.

Which brings me to my next one, YukioxShura -- Nope. Brother/Sister, definitely. Never once has he shown any sigh of romantic intent, let alone affection. Shura shows mother-hen concern.

Actually I think Yukio will go bachelor, haha, until the end of the series. Pairing him with someone will take another series in itself, let alone everything we still have to go through to fix him (inferiority complex, self-loathing, burdens, demon taunts, etc.).

IzumoxShima, IzumoxBon and Izumo/Rin -- I'll talk about these together. Izumo is a hard shell to crack. If you look at all her interactions with everyone, she has fought with most people in the series (perks of being a tsundere?). The only person she has given what seems like romantic intent to is Rin. If she felt any affection for Bon or Shima, she would probably soften up a bit for them. She clearly softens up when she starts to like someone (Paku? Sheimi? Rin?), and her shell is extra-hard when she interacts with Shima and Bon. So though not necessarily romantic, she does soften up for Rin a bit, most likely because he is so genuine with her. Same with Sheimi, though that took some effort. But Shima is not genuine at ALLLLLLLLLLLL (SHIMAAAAAAAAAAAAA) and Bon's rough side irritates her sometimes (though she doesn't hate him, I don't think). So if anything, RinxIzumo is most likely (though one-sided, definitely) and the other two I would never give a thought to (funny as they are).

But really, all these statements I'm making I don't feel very strongly about, I'm just making statements out of the blue here :)

That's all I'll comment on for now, got to go do something. Woah that's still a long response considering how much I don't like romance. Oh well. My two-cents. :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on January 30, 2015, 04:34:50 AM
I came here to hunt some Rin/Sheimi/Yukio scenes for a friend who watched the anime but wants me to spoil everything in the manga for her (she loves watching those three interact and ships RinxSheimi but isn't a manga person), and I got so engrossed in reading the arguments that I just had to comment.

A lot of what was said is surprising me a lot. I'm just going to comment my own opinion on some of these pairings.

Note though, romance is my least favourite genre and I actually prefer not to ship anybody with anything. This manga is actually the only one that has gotten me mildly interested in the pairings because the characters and interactions are so well done!

RinxSheimi -- Like most people, I wish this didn't happen because it's so obvious, but I can also see it being the most likely pairing mainly because of a few things. Firstly, it's the pairing that has been actively given the most attention by the author, and has had the most blatant statements on. Secondly, the author has clearly stated that Sheimi will mature more and more as the manga progresses, and by the end of it she'll be a completely different person. Maturing might also include her romantic awareness. Also, Rin is the protagonist and obviously has HUGE feelings for Sheimi so I feel like the author might feel the need to put some justice for Rin? Finally, I feel like Sheimi will be a used as a HUGE plot device for Rin later on, especially because he has so many feelings for her, and she might be necessary for him to like, do something to save her or something? He feels more affection for her than he does for anyone in the cram school.
Also, I feel like if it came down to it, he'd save Sheimi over his own brother. (Probably male-protectiveness, feeling like Yukio can protect himself, and he seems closer to her).

YukioxSheimi -- Can't see it happening. I see it being used to show both their developments as characters, but not developing the relationship. Ah, that was worded weirdly...basically, they both started the series having huge admiration for each other (someone put it nicely. Yukio sees a beautiful pure girl, and Sheimi sees a perfect genius). Now, as the series progresses and Rin gets involved, we see this initial "romance" being broken. Sheimi is seeing Yukio's flaws more and more, and Yukio is now actively backing away. He has stated a few times that she "probably doesn't have any other intentions" and stuff. Also, it seems like the only way she is good for him is occasionally making him at peace. He likes talking to her and interacting with her, and spending time with her, but like...as a person, not a girlfriend. She keeps him at peace short-term. With Rin, she can hug him and tell him it's all right, and it will affect Rin. Yukio? He won't let anyone close to him. If he broods, someone like Shura can slap him back into place.

Which brings me to my next one, YukioxShura -- Nope. Brother/Sister, definitely. Never once has he shown any sigh of romantic intent, let alone affection. Shura shows mother-hen concern.

Actually I think Yukio will go bachelor, haha, until the end of the series. Pairing him with someone will take another series in itself, let alone everything we still have to go through to fix him (inferiority complex, self-loathing, burdens, demon taunts, etc.).

IzumoxShima, IzumoxBon and Izumo/Rin -- I'll talk about these together. Izumo is a hard shell to crack. If you look at all her interactions with everyone, she has fought with most people in the series (perks of being a tsundere?). The only person she has given what seems like romantic intent to is Rin. If she felt any affection for Bon or Shima, she would probably soften up a bit for them. She clearly softens up when she starts to like someone (Paku? Sheimi? Rin?), and her shell is extra-hard when she interacts with Shima and Bon. So though not necessarily romantic, she does soften up for Rin a bit, most likely because he is so genuine with her. Same with Sheimi, though that took some effort. But Shima is not genuine at ALLLLLLLLLLLL (SHIMAAAAAAAAAAAAA) and Bon's rough side irritates her sometimes (though she doesn't hate him, I don't think). So if anything, RinxIzumo is most likely (though one-sided, definitely) and the other two I would never give a thought to (funny as they are).

But really, all these statements I'm making I don't feel very strongly about, I'm just making statements out of the blue here :)

That's all I'll comment on for now, got to go do something. Woah that's still a long response considering how much I don't like romance. Oh well. My two-cents. :)
Man, I used to be on the ShiemiXRin express when I first got into the series, but seeing the small quirks Kazu does for Izumo and Rin, I hope she does something for them; organically of course.

Those two are similar and I feel by the end of the series, Shiemi will be the top of her class. So, that's why I'm hoping Kazu works here way with those two, I see the potential and of course Izumo has been my favorite character in the series after Menifesto. Can't wait for more.


Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Ncf on January 30, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
I´ve always shipped IzumoXRenzo
I think the one Rin will go after is Sheimi, plot wise is the one that makes more sense, to deepen the rift between Yukio and the Rin and leading to the Yukio going dark, as we know it will happen
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on January 30, 2015, 09:26:19 PM
For the record, I still don't believe Yukio will turn evil.

I'm not sure when people started acting like this was a given, but as things are now, I don't see it fitting into the narrative at all.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Ncf on January 30, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
For the record, I still don't believe Yukio will turn evil.

I'm not sure when people started acting like this was a given, but as things are now, I don't see it fitting into the narrative at all.

First was the whole inner conflict cause of his past and his brother then all the stuff that happened in the Impure King arc (at least to me), also the way he feels that Rin is "stealing" stuff from him Shiemi ( I know stealing isn´t the correct word but couldn´t think of another) and it would be awesome to have him go rouge
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on January 31, 2015, 06:05:20 AM
For the record, I still don't believe Yukio will turn evil.

I'm not sure when people started acting like this was a given, but as things are now, I don't see it fitting into the narrative at all.

First was the whole inner conflict cause of his past and his brother then all the stuff that happened in the Impure King arc (at least to me), also the way he feels that Rin is "stealing" stuff from him Shiemi ( I know stealing isn´t the correct word but couldn´t think of another) and it would be awesome to have him go rouge
Yukio going rouge? I'm all in for him being evil, but his agenda is with the cross, not against it. I think if something happened to Shiemi then yes, he would, but Kazu wouldn't do that to her. Yea, I'll stick with finding new villains then traitors.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on January 31, 2015, 08:15:52 PM
Huh, I guess I go for the obvious ships...I just ship canon, normally, so I'm not picky. Can't say I care all that much about shipping in this series.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on February 09, 2015, 10:17:43 PM
I went and read a few fanfics and have seen some images and just to add to my old list, although I do NOT ship Yukio and Shura (I'll keep it at the sibling relationship, maybe even not that...like, one-sided or something), it is absolutely hilarious reading YukioxShura fics and having Shura be all...well, SHURA and Yukio being completely oblivious. Fun stuff.

The Rin ships that are fun to read are RinxIzumo. Though I don't exactly ship them (it's interesting to see some one-sided IzumoxRin though), their fanfics can be pretty godly too. :3

An example of a pic I came across that spurred this opinion:

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(Is this fan-made or official? Does anyone know?)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pknumba1 on February 09, 2015, 10:36:51 PM

An example of a pic I came across that spurred this opinion:

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(Is this fan-made or official? Does anyone know?)

It might be fan made, but a very popular one. I've seen those exact same poses from everyone in there from various different pictures.  It looks like they photoshopped everyone in there from the different pictures.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: CitraZ on April 05, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
RinIzu win the poll (for now).... unbelievable....  i thought RinShie would lead...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Breakingchains49 on April 05, 2015, 02:11:37 PM

An example of a pic I came across that spurred this opinion:

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(Is this fan-made or official? Does anyone know?)

It might be fan made, but a very popular one. I've seen those exact same poses from everyone in there from various different pictures.  It looks like they photoshopped everyone in there from the different pictures.

It's official
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Ncf on April 05, 2015, 05:37:09 PM
I´m with team Izumo Renzou, I don´t think Izumo Rin makes sense but I said the same thing about

Spoiler about Avatar the Legend of Korra
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and was wrong
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kaibutsu on April 06, 2015, 12:56:35 AM
I´m with team Izumo Renzou, I don´t think Izumo Rin makes sense but I said the same thing about

Spoiler about Avatar the Legend of Korra
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and was wrong

That ship still doesn't make sense, regardless of how progressive they wanted it to be.

Personally I've been on the Izumo/Renzou ship since that one extra chapter where they go see Kinzou's band. However, aside from the Yukio/Shiemi/Rin triangle, I can see Shima/Izumo/Rin developing into one as well, except while Rin seems to like Izumo as a friend I don't think he has any marginally romantic feelings for her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on April 06, 2015, 05:59:08 AM
I can't really get into any of the ships right now, though I support a couple of them. I think a ship has to be canon or practically canon before I feel strongly about it...usually, anyway.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on April 06, 2015, 06:03:14 AM
I ship yukishi all the way. Rizumo wiĺl slowly develop and rinshi is the biggest mislead of all the ships. If rinshi ends up together it would just seem so unfair for yukio to have nothing. He met her first and between rin and yukio its clearer yukio has the more serious affection for shiemi. Whereas rin, i always think its comedic relief with him making faces and blushing humorously. Rizumo has that quiet vibe but makes you feel there is actually brewing deep down inside. We all have a long way to go. As katou sensei said that  this might drag on for 21 chapters or longer. Till then i hope we have fun imagining what could happen in the future.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on April 06, 2015, 06:57:10 AM
YukiShi has slowly become my NOTP.

Shiemi had a huge crush on Yukio since she saw him as mature and dependable. However, it's pretty clear she saw him as an idol rather than a friend. She was really taken aback when he acted like a total jackass on the island in the Whale arc. She's been getting better at treating him as a friend like in the 7 Mysteries School Arc with inviting him to the dance first. But I think that her crush is cooling into more of a pure friendship.

Meanwhile Yukio's got issues. He adores Shiemi and she puts him at ease. But there's a problem: he both feels he isn't good enough for her and doesn't want to lose her to Rin. While Rin also has some jealousy issues, he doesn't link it to his self-worth like Yukio does. If Yukio gets together with Shiemi before this is worked out, he'd always feel never good enough for her. After this gets dealt with, maybe, but by then they might have a very different dynamic.

I like Rizumo more than RinShi. The recent chapters were just much better with Rizumo.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on April 06, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
I ship yukishi all the way. Rizumo wiĺl slowly develop and rinshi is the biggest mislead of all the ships. If rinshi ends up together it would just seem so unfair for yukio to have nothing. He met her first and between rin and yukio its clearer yukio has the more serious affection for shiemi. Whereas rin, i always think its comedic relief with him making faces and blushing humorously. Rizumo has that quiet vibe but makes you feel there is actually brewing deep down inside. We all have a long way to go. As katou sensei said that  this might drag on for 21 chapters or longer. Till then i hope we have fun imagining what could happen in the future.
RinShi being a distraction. Huh, hadn't thought about that. Could be.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: The Rulemeister on April 08, 2015, 01:08:13 AM
I ship yukishi all the way. Rizumo wiĺl slowly develop and rinshi is the biggest mislead of all the ships. If rinshi ends up together it would just seem so unfair for yukio to have nothing. He met her first and between rin and yukio its clearer yukio has the more serious affection for shiemi. Whereas rin, i always think its comedic relief with him making faces and blushing humorously. Rizumo has that quiet vibe but makes you feel there is actually brewing deep down inside. We all have a long way to go. As katou sensei said that  this might drag on for 21 chapters or longer. Till then i hope we have fun imagining what could happen in the future.

Life is never fair. For Rin, Shiemi is the first girl and person that he ever had a real conversation with. I am sure he liked that and of course has a crush on Shiemi. For Izumo, Rin appears to be the first guy that did not make fun of her and talk with her in a sweet way. I agree that Rin and Izumo are wonderful together.
Yukio and Shiemi not so much.

What will drag for 21 chapters? Rin and Izumo's first date? I hope that nothing happens until Lucifer is defeated because well whomever Rin calls a friend their lives will be in danger.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pknumba1 on April 08, 2015, 03:38:52 PM
What I think kirarin means is that the manga will run for another 21 chapters, at least.  In order to see any development in a canon ship that is.  I trust Katou-sensei.  I don't think she'll let us down.  And this is a fandom where if there is a disappointment, most people take it with a grain of salt, even begrudgingly so.  Besides, Katou-senesi might do it in a way that's satisfying on both ends just because she's a great author.  She knows how to tell a story.  As far as Rinshi goes, she might have the typical ship in the end where the guy gets the girl, or she might surprise us.  All in all, I'm looking forward to what she has planned. 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on April 09, 2015, 03:38:20 AM
I ship yukishi all the way. Rizumo wiĺl slowly develop and rinshi is the biggest mislead of all the ships. If rinshi ends up together it would just seem so unfair for yukio to have nothing. He met her first and between rin and yukio its clearer yukio has the more serious affection for shiemi. Whereas rin, i always think its comedic relief with him making faces and blushing humorously. Rizumo has that quiet vibe but makes you feel there is actually brewing deep down inside. We all have a long way to go. As katou sensei said that  this might drag on for 21 chapters or longer. Till then i hope we have fun imagining what could happen in the future.

Life is never fair. For Rin, Shiemi is the first girl and person that he ever had a real conversation with. I am sure he liked that and of course has a crush on Shiemi. For Izumo, Rin appears to be the first guy that did not make fun of her and talk with her in a sweet way. I agree that Rin and Izumo are wonderful together.
Yukio and Shiemi not so much.

What will drag for 21 chapters? Rin and Izumo's first date? I hope that nothing happens until Lucifer is defeated because well whomever Rin calls a friend their lives will be in danger.
We go back to this discussion Rin/Izumo is my pair to invest now. I was for Rin/Shiemi, but Rin/Izumo looks like a pair that actually makes sense. Hopefully in the future as the story progresses we see a lot of surprises come to fruit.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: The Rulemeister on April 09, 2015, 05:56:03 AM
What I think kirarin means is that the manga will run for another 21 chapters, at least.

I certainly hope so...How long do monthly mangas last anyhow?

We go back to this discussion Rin/Izumo is my pair to invest now. I was for Rin/Shiemi, but Rin/Izumo looks like a pair that actually makes sense. Hopefully in the future as the story progresses we see a lot of surprises come to fruit.

I hopes to see more romantic elements in the story even if it just revolves around Rin. I think Izumo will be the one to make the first move.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on April 09, 2015, 01:59:40 PM
I meant to say 21 volumes. That's what i heard not 21 chapters. It would be so short for that. There are still so many unanswered questions and keeps on piling up. With romance,  I guess it might not be a priority. Or it could be a trigger for more battles. Because we all know Rin loves and values his relationships too much.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on April 09, 2015, 02:03:51 PM
Just sad there's no BonShie. (Secretly prays for katou sensei to add more interaction between the 2)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on April 09, 2015, 02:46:06 PM
Just sad there's no BonShie. (Secretly prays for katou sensei to add more interaction between the 2)
Bon and Shiemi? I never thought of that, but I don't see it happening. Seems odd and I feel bad for Bon there is nobody for him lol. At least in the Anime he had the sword maker girl.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on April 09, 2015, 04:49:37 PM
Don't feel too bad for him. He has shown no inclinations to wanting a relationship, and he could have booked up with one of the girls who asked him out.

I'm pretty sure he's asexual/aromantic. Even the equally-devoted Konekomaru went to the dance with a girl, but Bon doesn't seem starved for girls (or guys) at all.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on April 09, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
To make you happy, there's a panel where bon is smiling googly at shiemi when they were complimenting how she looked in her uniform, but nothing like rin or shima, but more like koneko.

I agree, bon is very serious and I personally relate, just like tardar said, he could be aromantic.

I do ship him with izumo, but I know deep down that bon is too serious to really be with someone. I guess I ship them for their love-hate relationship. He'd probably prefer shiemi over izumo because she I'm is more kind and tender, which he sees as humble and I guess it works in the monk lifestyle he really likes. Yea
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on April 14, 2015, 03:37:59 AM
To make you happy, there's a panel where bon is smiling googly at shiemi when they were complimenting how she looked in her uniform, but nothing like rin or shima, but more like koneko.

I agree, bon is very serious and I personally relate, just like tardar said, he could be aromantic.

I do ship him with izumo, but I know deep down that bon is too serious to really be with someone. I guess I ship them for their love-hate relationship. He'd probably prefer shiemi over izumo because she I'm is more kind and tender, which he sees as humble and I guess it works in the monk lifestyle he really likes. Yea
Yea, but who wouldn't eye Shiemi. She's not bad on the design lol. I agree though Shiemi over Izumo for Bon if there was a possibility.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on April 21, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
If shiemi really ended up as amaimon's bride............. lol im not  complaining. There is just no way shiemi could stomach choosing between her first 2 friends let alone them  being brothers. That's just too much pain. But seriously. I love shipping crack.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on April 25, 2015, 06:09:12 AM
Wow I just realize something Izumo calls Rin by his first name in Ch. 66. Now I know there is the thing with the Japanese using last name or something like that. I double checked on the translation she does call Rin by his first name.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pknumba1 on April 25, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
Wow I just realize something Izumo calls Rin by his first name in Ch. 66. Now I know there is the thing with the Japanese using last name or something like that. I double checked on the translation she does call Rin by his first name.

When the Japanese call each other by their first name, it usually means they know each other well enough for it to become informal.  For instance, two best friend could call each other by their first name and then add "-chan" if they're girls, or "-kun" if they're boys.  Or maybe "-kun" is just what girls use on boys whom they're close to.  If they just use their name without the chan or kun, then the bond is even closer.  I'm slowly learning Japanese terms, so I might be a little off in that area, too. 

Rin calls Izumo by her first name, too.  He also does that with Shiemi, and if I'm not mistaken, he addresses the others that way as well.  I think the only people who address others by their surname are the students calling Yukio "Okumura-sensei" and Shura calls the students by their last name, expect for Rin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: CitraZ on April 29, 2015, 04:48:24 PM
Wow I just realize something Izumo calls Rin by his first name in Ch. 66. Now I know there is the thing with the Japanese using last name or something like that. I double checked on the translation she does call Rin by his first name.

 :o what page? i didnt see it...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Noir on April 29, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
:o what page? i didnt see it...
In Viz translation it's page 16:
(http://s8.postimg.org/m577ukb3p/16_ane.png)
By the way, this situation with names reminds me the moment from chapter 17:
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As pknumba1 just said, reference to a person without using any prefixes/honorifics (-chan, -san...) usually means a great intimacy. That's why Izumo got angry, but it seems that she accepted Rin's familiarity for last 50 chapters.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kaibutsu on April 29, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
After the recent chapter I'm no longer sure how I feel about IzumoxShima, since Izumo most definitely deserves someone much more honest than him. But I still can't completely ignore them going to see Kinzou's band in that one extra...

Ugh, this is painful.

Also, while I'm on board with the newfound LucyxYukio ship, ToudouxYukio is probably still my OTP crack ship. (Mostly because of that one marvelous cosplay I see on tumblr).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on April 30, 2015, 04:30:39 AM
After the recent chapter I'm no longer sure how I feel about IzumoxShima, since Izumo most definitely deserves someone much more honest than him. But I still can't completely ignore them going to see Kinzou's band in that one extra...

Ugh, this is painful.

Also, while I'm on board with the newfound LucyxYukio ship, ToudouxYukio is probably still my OTP crack ship. (Mostly because of that one marvelous cosplay I see on tumblr).
I think Shima only got sweet and clingy towards Izumo for the sake of the Izumo arc. He was a spy for Illuminati and they needed Izumo so... I understand how it feels, because I ship them too especially how he was still secretly caring and looking out for her when she was captive but we still have yet to see those two. In case there is a moment of reconcilation. I think Izumo still needs answers from him. I bet all the exwires need answers from him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on May 01, 2015, 05:06:48 AM
Wow I just realize something Izumo calls Rin by his first name in Ch. 66. Now I know there is the thing with the Japanese using last name or something like that. I double checked on the translation she does call Rin by his first name.

When the Japanese call each other by their first name, it usually means they know each other well enough for it to become informal.  For instance, two best friend could call each other by their first name and then add "-chan" if they're girls, or "-kun" if they're boys.  Or maybe "-kun" is just what girls use on boys whom they're close to.  If they just use their name without the chan or kun, then the bond is even closer.  I'm slowly learning Japanese terms, so I might be a little off in that area, too. 

Rin calls Izumo by her first name, too.  He also does that with Shiemi, and if I'm not mistaken, he addresses the others that way as well.  I think the only people who address others by their surname are the students calling Yukio "Okumura-sensei" and Shura calls the students by their last name, expect for Rin.
Yea he does call Shiemi by her first name when they meet or actually Shiemi says to Rin to call her by her name. Its only the other guys he calls by their other names until they grew closer together the same went for Izumo, but I think Izumo was the first one that Rin actually went ahead to call her by her first name, I'll have to check the volumes again. The naming is confusing sometimes lol. I'm sure of this gut feeling I have about those two, especially after what Kato tweeted in December I believe the portrait of Rin and Izumo.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: CitraZ on May 01, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
...especially after what Kato tweeted in December I believe the portrait of Rin and Izumo.

which one?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on May 01, 2015, 11:36:01 PM
...especially after what Kato tweeted in December I believe the portrait of Rin and Izumo.

which one?
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/294c28fb83574b3b09a3a9cc4a01a393/tumblr_n7krvxYeuZ1s7gihto1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on May 27, 2015, 05:52:30 PM
Im getting really shippy right now so I have this idea/headcanon that Rin asks Izumo to a dance or whatever stuff the guys need a partner with and Izumo this time wont decline anymore since she has already learned to follow her heart and Rin does this with his sincerity.Rin knows that Shiemi has plans with Yukio again and urges the both ( especially Yukio ) to go out. Yukio finally agrees  and so....... there starts the  canonization haha. Feel free to rain on my parade. I have strong feelings these ships will be the death of me.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pknumba1 on May 27, 2015, 10:25:38 PM
That sounds like a fan fiction in the works.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on May 30, 2015, 04:43:30 AM
Im getting really shippy right now so I have this idea/headcanon that Rin asks Izumo to a dance or whatever stuff the guys need a partner with and Izumo this time wont decline anymore since she has already learned to follow her heart and Rin does this with his sincerity.Rin knows that Shiemi has plans with Yukio again and urges the both ( especially Yukio ) to go out. Yukio finally agrees  and so....... there starts the  canonization haha. Feel free to rain on my parade. I have strong feelings these ships will be the death of me.
I like it, ugh what could have been if only Izumo made it in time that night...lol.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Dayaluira on June 06, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
Honestly shipping is really difficult with this manga because there's so many ships but I have a few I'm dead set on shipping <x<;

1) Rin/Bon (the never canon otp)
2) Yukio/Shiemi (plEASE?)
3) Izumo/Renzou (these two omg)


maybe luciyuki too woops
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on June 06, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
LuciYuki goes to the Shounen-ai thread despite heavy teasing in the manga (which I fully blame on Toudou pointing to Yukio and saying "precious cinnamon roll, needs our protection, too good for this world".)

I still don't know my feelings on IzumoRenzou. They are sweeties with issues.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: pknumba1 on June 07, 2015, 01:17:47 AM
Izumo and Renzou are just going through a rough patch right now.  Lots of couples do.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Breakingchains49 on June 07, 2015, 01:49:42 AM
LuciYuki goes to the Shounen-ai thread despite heavy teasing in the manga (which I fully blame on Toudou pointing to Yukio and saying "precious cinnamon roll, needs our protection, too good for this world".)

I still don't know my feelings on IzumoRenzou. They are sweeties with issues.

Yes , please put that in the Shonen - ai thread, It honestly makes me sick when girls (im a male)put two male characters in series i like , and make them gay. Please no, just no(i dont mean to offend anyone ;D)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on June 09, 2015, 03:49:43 AM
So that line by Rin in chapter 68 kinda keeps the Rin x Shiemi ship floating lol.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on June 09, 2015, 05:35:34 AM
So that line by Rin in chapter 68 kinda keeps the Rin x Shiemi ship floating lol.
I'd bet money it's gonna be the canon ship. All the signs are pointing to it. I do think it's fun that this manga inverted the "girl with crush on clueless guy" trope. With Rin it's been so painfully obvious (and now straight-up confirmed) he likes Shiemi, while the other half didn't even give it much thought til someone pointed it out, lol.
It's okay Rin, I'm rooting for you! XD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on June 10, 2015, 03:09:13 AM
So that line by Rin in chapter 68 kinda keeps the Rin x Shiemi ship floating lol.
I'd bet money it's gonna be the canon ship. All the signs are pointing to it. I do think it's fun that this manga inverted the "girl with crush on clueless guy" trope. With Rin it's been so painfully obvious (and now straight-up confirmed) he likes Shiemi, while the other half didn't even give it much thought til someone pointed it out, lol.
It's okay Rin, I'm rooting for you! XD
I'm still for Rin x Izumo something is bound to happen, I just know it lol.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on June 10, 2015, 03:13:47 AM
i would like to see a twist of events with an izumo and rin ending, but its smells like rinshi endgame :O
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on June 10, 2015, 04:05:05 AM
You guys. Rizumo and yukishi. Remember that well. Because it will be written in the canon manga. Seriously your rizumo game would be too weak if you doubt it. Its the most popular ship. And makes sense the most. *flips hair*
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on June 10, 2015, 07:04:22 AM
Just because a ship is the most popular ship, doesn't mean it's gonna happen...look at what happened with Naruto, lol (and I totally called NaruHina).

But some serious stuff would have to go down for Rin to change his mind about Shiemi at this point. Shiemi seems interested in Rin now too, otherwise she wouldn't have been giggling at his laughing the way she was last chapter. She's smitten. She does like Yukio too, but he's too busy being angsty to have a shot (and he blew his best chance so far when he declined her dance invitation). Meanwhile, not saying Izumo wouldn't have a shot if she is indeed interested in Rin beyond friendship (which to me she doesn't seem to be), but she'd really need to work on dropping the tsundere act. Rin doesn't seem to be able to read it well (and he's slightly tsundere himself, that's a horrible mix, lol.

But so far, there has been a LOT of development on the RinShi front, to the point where it's really just riding on if Shiemi will be receptive to Rin or not. It might not be the most popular here, but it's definitely the most plausible at the moment (and it's the second most popular ship here, which should account for something).

One thing I wonder what the most popular ship in the Japanese fandom is...I know things can sometimes vary between eastern/western fandoms.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on June 10, 2015, 10:32:38 AM
We got lots of time to find out and lots of potential development ahead of us.
I support more than one possible outcome and more than one ship, but RinShi's probably my top pick. I don't think I'll be able to get super into any ship until it makes canon, though.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on June 10, 2015, 12:30:01 PM
Just because a ship is the most popular ship, doesn't mean it's gonna happen...look at what happened with Naruto, lol (and I totally called NaruHina).

But some serious stuff would have to go down for Rin to change his mind about Shiemi at this point. Shiemi seems interested in Rin now too, otherwise she wouldn't have been giggling at his laughing the way she was last chapter. She's smitten. She does like Yukio too, but he's too busy being angsty to have a shot (and he blew his best chance so far when he declined her dance invitation). Meanwhile, not saying Izumo wouldn't have a shot if she is indeed interested in Rin beyond friendship (which to me she doesn't seem to be), but she'd really need to work on dropping the tsundere act. Rin doesn't seem to be able to read it well (and he's slightly tsundere himself, that's a horrible mix, lol.

But so far, there has been a LOT of development on the RinShi front, to the point where it's really just riding on if Shiemi will be receptive to Rin or not. It might not be the most popular here, but it's definitely the most plausible at the moment (and it's the second most popular ship here, which should account for something).

One thing I wonder what the most popular ship in the Japanese fandom is...I know things can sometimes vary between eastern/western fandoms.
i guess the only way to accept canon or not is for us to see the characters being  happy and healthy in their relationships. I am not really bothered if my ships sink as long as i see them happy with the final score. With naruto i wasnt a fan of the ships because i shipped shikaino lol was i mad? Heck no.I knew it wasnt gonna work. I was happy about it actually. Especially with naruhina even it was quite kinda not my taste. They were happy and were establishing a very normal and loving family and it warmed my heart to see them. We get really selfish with the ships and i guess its normal. If rin finds shiemi to be someone he wants to be with forever ( IF NOTHING BAD HAPPENS!!) then im down son. I wont feel bad because i know if they wanted each other and no one is in the way then no prob. That is all.  8)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on June 10, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
I heard that a good way to know what ship is popular in Japan is to look it up on pixiv and see how many results it gets.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on June 10, 2015, 03:45:47 PM
I heard that a good way to know what ship is popular in Japan is to look it up on pixiv and see how many results it gets.

I don't know what the ship names are in Japanese though...damn, lol.
Although, I dunno if it's because of the Fujoshi, but I run into a LOT of Rin/Yukio *shudder* (Why Fujoshi...why? What is with the obsession with twincest?). Thankfully that ship doesn't seem anywhere near as popular for western readers
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on June 10, 2015, 03:58:24 PM
Shows up on tumblr all the time when I go searching for Blue Exorcist stuff...well, I don't search under that name. I search character names, usually.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on June 10, 2015, 04:20:05 PM
I heard that a good way to know what ship is popular in Japan is to look it up on pixiv and see how many results it gets.

I don't know what the ship names are in Japanese though...damn, lol.
Although, I dunno if it's because of the Fujoshi, but I run into a LOT of Rin/Yukio *shudder* (Why Fujoshi...why? What is with the obsession with twincest?). Thankfully that ship doesn't seem anywhere near as popular for western readers

It's not the twincest, really (thought that's a bonus). It's the combination of a stoic character who hides his feelings and a happy-go-lucky one who tries to reach him. That kind of ship is popular in all of fiction.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on June 11, 2015, 06:24:19 AM
I heard that a good way to know what ship is popular in Japan is to look it up on pixiv and see how many results it gets.

I don't know what the ship names are in Japanese though...damn, lol.
Although, I dunno if it's because of the Fujoshi, but I run into a LOT of Rin/Yukio *shudder* (Why Fujoshi...why? What is with the obsession with twincest?). Thankfully that ship doesn't seem anywhere near as popular for western readers

It's not the twincest, really (thought that's a bonus). It's the combination of a stoic character who hides his feelings and a happy-go-lucky one who tries to reach him. That kind of ship is popular in all of fiction.

I don't care how good a ship might be personality-wise if there's incest involved though. Squicks me right out on so many levels. I don't understand what the appeal is (since you mentioned it's a "bonus"). Personally, I relate to the familial-love type bonding so much more, having siblings myself. Stuff need not default to romance to be interesting.

That said, I much prefer Rin and Yukio just doing cute sibling things together (since we get so precious little of it in-canon right now *sighs*).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: facets-and-rainbows on June 11, 2015, 07:25:36 AM
^I think it's also partly because they're the two most popular characters in the series, so it makes a certain amount of sense for them to be a popular ship just by virtue of people putting their favorite characters together. Still squicks me out too, though.

I don't know what the ship names are in Japanese though...damn, lol.

I can help with this!

Luckily they follow more regular rules than English ship names:
-Take the first two kana (or first kanji) of each name and put them together
-I think the order goes guy-girl for heterosexual couples and seme-uke for BL couples? Don't quote me on that
-So Rizumo is 燐出 (RinIzu), RinShi is 燐しえ (RinShie), the twincest one is either 雪燐 (YukiRin) or 燐雪 (RinYuki)...what are some other ones I've seen on Pixiv? Mephisto/Amaimon is メフィアマ, etc. With Shima, sometimes people can't decide whether to use 志摩 (Shima) or abbreviate Renzou to 廉, so you get 志摩勝 (ShimaSugu) but 廉燐 (RenRin) and so on.

Also, 腐 (fu) or 腐向け (fumuke) is the tag for "stuff a fujoshi would like" so if you see a post tagged with Rin and Yukio and that, beware. Cute sibling stuff will have their full names as separate tags, no 雪燐 or 燐雪 and no 腐.

Protip: never click on anything tagged サタ燐 no matter how much morbid curiosity you're feeling, yes it's 4 am and you think you're totally up for reading a trainwreck of a fic, no you still shouldn't do it, just go to bed, there is only regret in your future, oh my god Facets what is wrong with you you speak more than enough Japanese to know that's code for interspecies pedophilia incest rape

...Back to the new chapter, did anyone else feel really bad for Yukio when Rin was talking about Shiemi? I mean, I ship RinShie more than YukiShie, but poor kid...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on June 11, 2015, 09:16:35 AM
I heard that a good way to know what ship is popular in Japan is to look it up on pixiv and see how many results it gets.

I don't know what the ship names are in Japanese though...damn, lol.
Although, I dunno if it's because of the Fujoshi, but I run into a LOT of Rin/Yukio *shudder* (Why Fujoshi...why? What is with the obsession with twincest?). Thankfully that ship doesn't seem anywhere near as popular for western readers

It's not the twincest, really (thought that's a bonus). It's the combination of a stoic character who hides his feelings and a happy-go-lucky one who tries to reach him. That kind of ship is popular in all of fiction.

I don't care how good a ship might be personality-wise if there's incest involved though. Squicks me right out on so many levels. I don't understand what the appeal is (since you mentioned it's a "bonus"). Personally, I relate to the familial-love type bonding so much more, having siblings myself. Stuff need not default to romance to be interesting.

That said, I much prefer Rin and Yukio just doing cute sibling things together (since we get so precious little of it in-canon right now *sighs*).

It's a bonus because twins already share a strong bond, so it gives the ship an extra dimension.

Imagine how different their relationship would be if they weren't related.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on June 11, 2015, 06:52:15 PM
^I think it's also partly because they're the two most popular characters in the series, so it makes a certain amount of sense for them to be a popular ship just by virtue of people putting their favorite characters together. Still squicks me out too, though.

Very much this. At least it's not as squicky as the Foe Yay ships.  AmaiShiemi creeps me out, especially with those parasites. I can't believe people forget that happened.

(I have considered writing a Gedouin shippy fic just to mess with people's minds but I don't think I could lower myself to that level of depravity.)

Protip: never click on anything tagged サタ燐 no matter how much morbid curiosity you're feeling, yes it's 4 am and you think you're totally up for reading a trainwreck of a fic, no you still shouldn't do it, just go to bed, there is only regret in your future, oh my god Facets what is wrong with you you speak more than enough Japanese to know that's code for interspecies pedophilia incest rape

Jesus christ. And I thought some Toukio fics were fucked up.

...Back to the new chapter, did anyone else feel really bad for Yukio when Rin was talking about Shiemi? I mean, I ship RinShie more than YukiShie, but poor kid...

Funny enough I wonder if that even upset him at the time. Yukio already knows Rin is interested in Shiemi (which is why he had fun going "hm, I wonder" when Rin frantically asked if he was going out with Shiemi). I think he was too busy being terrified of shouting that he doesn't trust Renzou for telling him that Lucifer's waiting for him. Getting exposed by a bunch of monkey demons in a bath house would have to be THE most embarrassing way to be revealed.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on June 12, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
Thanks Facets for the info! Now I know more of which tags to look for (and to avoid)! Now if Pixiv would cooperate better with my phone *sighs*...I miss my computer.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on June 27, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
It's interesting how Izumo turns to Yukio. xD And in volume 15's special chapter she was hiding behind him too. It's like he's her safe guy or something.

I have been thinking about this and... I actually wouldn't be mad at all, even though I ship RinIzu since the bathroom incident, if the ending was a reverse ship of Yukio x Izumo and Rin x Shiemi.

As long as the relationships are portrayed as functional, I really don't care if it's not my ship. But Kato, please, don't pull a Kishimoto.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: The Rulemeister on June 28, 2015, 04:55:58 AM
But Kato, please, don't pull a Kishimoto.

What did Kishimoto (author of Naruto) do?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on June 28, 2015, 06:44:06 AM
LET THIS BE MY LAST POST REGARDING SHIPPING BUT if you want rizumo canon you better pray kato pulls off a kishimoto. kato writes her characters' relationships far better than kishi so no trouble with that but if you want the pattern to parallel that of naruto falling for hinata instead  sakura then might as well pray for kato playing kishimoto and let rin fall for izumo instead of shiemi. hehe. PROMISE LAST POST ABOUT SHIPPING. promise.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on June 28, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
I can see Rin falling for Izumo if he picks up that Izumo has fallen for him! It would be easy. He likes girls that like him (probably). Does that count as a Kishimoto? (I dropped Naruto so I don't know what happened there.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on June 28, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
But Kato, please, don't pull a Kishimoto.

What did Kishimoto (author of Naruto) do?

He unleashed the shipping war of most epic proportions ever by:

A) closing the story showing all (literally all) the characters married and/or with children.

B) starting of a sequel revolving around the questioning of the real maternity of the offpring of one of the main ships. (Bonus points: the other candidate to being the real mother was the secondary fan favourite female pairing candidate for the father).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 29, 2015, 12:59:52 AM
^How can you question who is the real mother? XD Anyway, I don't really want to know.

It's interesting how Izumo turns to Yukio. xD And in volume 15's special chapter she was hiding behind him too. It's like he's her safe guy or something.
I have been thinking about this and... I actually wouldn't be mad at all, even though I ship RinIzu since the bathroom incident, if the ending was a reverse ship of Yukio x Izumo and Rin x Shiemi.
A safe guy is usually not a love interest. It's a guy that for some reason she believes would never harm her and would never try to make advances to her. The reason can be that, in addition to being a nice guy, they're family or he's already married or he's her teacher or her boss or they've known each other for a long time and nothing never happened or he's gay...
Usually girls use safe guys to chase other guys away or they use them to do things they're too shy to ask other guys.
Like, girl:"I need Joe to give me the keys of the lab, but he's in the boy's locker room right now, can you go and ask him for me?" guy:"And you came all the way to the library to ask me? :/ "
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on June 30, 2015, 12:49:01 PM
^How can you question who is the real mother? XD Anyway, I don't really want to know.
I want to know!

A safe guy is usually not a love interest. It's a guy that for some reason she believes would never harm her and would never try to make advances to her. The reason can be that, in addition to being a nice guy, they're family or he's already married or he's her teacher or her boss or they've known each other for a long time and nothing never happened or he's gay...
I agree, but it's fiction, so everything's possible (see: questioned maternity).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 30, 2015, 08:37:10 PM
I agree, but it's fiction, so everything's possible.
It's possible in real life too. But even if a girl is in love with a safe guy, she's just going to be turned down, most likely.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on July 07, 2015, 03:56:43 AM
I can see Rin falling for Izumo if he picks up that Izumo has fallen for him! It would be easy. He likes girls that like him (probably). Does that count as a Kishimoto? (I dropped Naruto so I don't know what happened there.)
No, the difference between Izumo and Hinata; is that Hinata stalks Naruto and Izumo is coy about not really showing any emotion towards Rin and when she does she blushes and gets mad. Its been hard to tell if Izumo is going to fall for Rin in the future because we have a lot of material to cover, but I look forward to it though.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 10, 2015, 08:46:41 PM
In chapter 69 Rin says to Shiemi the same thing Yukio said to her in chapter 11.

I wonder about those who commented on it back then, if they'd make the same comments on it now.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 11, 2015, 07:07:08 AM
^ You mean, about Rin being jealous? Yeah, but we already knew that, didn't we?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 11, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
^ Yeah, but back then some people said Yukio wasn't jealous.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on July 11, 2015, 10:55:56 PM
^ Yeah, but back then some people said Yukio wasn't jealous.
I don't know how people didn't think he was jealous by now. Sure it took a while, but you can clearly see it little by little as the series progressed.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on July 12, 2015, 05:30:16 AM
Unless you mean back when chapter 11 was released, before it was more obvious that Yukio likes her? Back then people thought Shiemi liked him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 12, 2015, 07:12:01 AM
Back then people thought Shiemi liked him.
?
I thought she liked him, still think she liked him and think she still likes him.

Unless you mean back when chapter 11 was released, before it was more obvious that Yukio likes her?
I don't remember when exactly.
Though for as far as I can remember up until the time I stopped following AnE shipping threads, I always saw some people saying Yukio doesn't love Shiemi (Even at the time of chapter 29).
But it was obvious from the start if you ask me.
Especially with yonkoma like that. (She shows him an old family picture and when he sees what her mother looked like when she was younger, he says "I... see...! ... I don't mind at all.") If that doesn't mean "My mind is set on marrying you." I don't know what it means. Haha
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 12, 2015, 04:50:54 PM
I agree. I also thought that picture was totally obvious.

But even when I use it as proof, some people say they still don't see it... I have no idea how they do that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on July 18, 2015, 03:15:58 PM
I suppose my mind is still convinced by the anime representation since it's what I saw first. Eh.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Rook on July 18, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
There's a little part of me that ships Izumo and Rin because of how she was after everyone found out he was the son of Satan, on the train to Kyoto when she went out of her way to sit by him and make him feel better a little (whilst insulting Bon and the others to balance out the good karma she was receiving of course). I mean, Izumo can act pretty hostile and pushes just about everyone away, so what she said to Rin on the train to Kyoto was downright miraculous.
On the other hand, I don't really ship Rin and Shiemi because it bugs me how bloody oblivious she is. She misinterprets just about every conversation/person/situation she comes across. That was probably harsh, because she can be sweet, but to be honest most of the time she gets on my nerves. Sorry Shiemi xD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on July 19, 2015, 03:30:37 PM
There's a little part of me that ships Izumo and Rin because of how she was after everyone found out he was the son of Satan, on the train to Kyoto when she went out of her way to sit by him and make him feel better a little (whilst insulting Bon and the others to balance out the good karma she was receiving of course). I mean, Izumo can act pretty hostile and pushes just about everyone away, so what she said to Rin on the train to Kyoto was downright miraculous.
On the other hand, I don't really ship Rin and Shiemi because it bugs me how bloody oblivious she is. She misinterprets just about every conversation/person/situation she comes across. That was probably harsh, because she can be sweet, but to be honest most of the time she gets on my nerves. Sorry Shiemi xD

Wait, how does Izumo insulting Bon and the others for colding treating Rin count as bad Karma especially considering they were clearly wrong for treating Rin like that after declaring him to be their friend. Bon especially deserved the insults considering the fact that he was the only person who didnt apologise to Rin for his cold treatment and instead made up a rather poor excuse to justify his unjust treatment of Rin probably because he was too proud to apologise to him while even Konekomaru whose harsh treatment of Rin was completely understandable (considering his entire family was killed by Satan) also apologised to him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on July 19, 2015, 04:53:22 PM
Okay. I'll come clean.
I ship RinShi and Rizumo. The rest I don't care about. lol I don't have any hardcore ships in this series. Hard to when the outcome could be anything.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Rook on July 19, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Wait, how does Izumo insulting Bon and the others for colding treating Rin count as bad Karma especially considering they were clearly wrong for treating Rin like that after declaring him to be their friend. Bon especially deserved the insults considering the fact that he was the only person who didnt apologise to Rin for his cold treatment and instead made up a rather poor excuse to justify his unjust treatment of Rin probably because he was too proud to apologise to him while even Konekomaru whose harsh treatment of Rin was completely understandable (considering his entire family was killed by Satan) also apologised to him.

Sorry, it was a joke, aha, just because that's generally Izumo's way. Because of her trying to distance herself from people she tends to backtrack past some of her nicer comments occasionally, as if to balance them out. I know they deserved it, Bon especially, since they were just being hypocrites.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: evenwiththerain on July 20, 2015, 04:10:50 AM
@chino yeah with that omake (?) I interpreted what yukio thought on "I wouldnt mind" on regards to shiemi perhaps turning out like his mother in the future as something he wouldnt mind... Now why would it be of yukio's concern unless they were together? He has a soft spot for her, so her turning out like her mother wouldnt change his feelings for her lol idk but I thought that was cute and made his feelings for her obvious--some people dont see that.
shiemi's recent suspicion of yukio's behavior only adds fuel to the fact that she really cares for him and can see that something is wrong with him. Kato sure knows how to fuel at that yukirinshi love triangle. Personally I see yukishi at a advantage even tho rin canonly said he like like shiemi because we dont have a response from shiemi in that matter. Yeah she says she likes him, but not the way paku was trying to get out of her! So far, we've seen more of her concern for yukio as he tries to push her away and idk about you guys but two people myst have a really strong connection/bond to keep insisting the way shiemi does with yukio on his being okay when he's not. Also on his side, pushing her away, not wanting to hurt her etc.
idk im emotional right now because my sister is playing her sappy love songs and im a sentimental girl lol im sorry im probably repetative and incoherent !
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on July 20, 2015, 05:23:16 AM
Actually I feel like Kazue's intentionally making this love triangle between Shiemi and the two twins confusing by fueling both sides of the fire. I think from the start she wanted Shiemi's heart to be a big grey area. The biggest reason for this is because of the festival arc, where both Yukio's and Rin's romance with her were played up and messed with until in the end, all three of them are spinning in a circle, haha. It's going to be blurry for a long time now. She giggles at Rin's antics and loves spending time with him but is more concerned for Yukio/pays more attention to him than she does Rin, so right now it's still not decided and I actually hope it never will be (I prefer these things personally)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on July 20, 2015, 06:20:41 AM
Im starting to think the twins are too much for shiemi to handle. she's still left out you know.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on August 04, 2015, 11:03:06 PM
Im starting to think the twins are too much for shiemi to handle. she's still left out you know.
She definitely is left out most of the time. It's like she said neither of them won't say what's wrong with them.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on September 02, 2015, 03:58:45 AM
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Actually I feel like Kazue's intentionally making this love triangle between Shiemi and the two twins confusing by fueling both sides of the fire. I think from the start she wanted Shiemi's heart to be a big grey area. The biggest reason for this is because of the festival arc, where both Yukio's and Rin's romance with her were played up and messed with until in the end, all three of them are spinning in a circle, haha. It's going to be blurry for a long time now. She giggles at Rin's antics and loves spending time with him but is more concerned for Yukio/pays more attention to him than she does Rin, so right now it's still not decided and I actually hope it never will be (I prefer these things personally)

I dunno... Even though Yukio's pretty important to Shiemi (First actual friend, first crush, mentor, etc) and she worries for him, I still think Rin/Shiemi looks like endgame as it seems like Yukio's already withdrawn without a peep (His feelings for Shiemi being yet another thing he's in denial about) but, who knows...?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 05, 2015, 05:56:24 AM
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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on November 10, 2015, 02:19:19 AM
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And, I'm not directing this only at you but,
I always wonder why a lot of you call these girls "fangirls". I think they actually have a love interest for him. I mean, all these school girls fawning over Yukio are not just "fangirls" if they give him love letters or invite him to a dance party, I'd say they really want to go out with him. And why not? "Look, the guy with the best grades of our elite school who's also handsome and seems kind, let's idolize him with no romantic feelings whatsoever and not try at all to get to know him." Is that how it works?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on November 10, 2015, 03:17:20 AM
And, I'm not directing this only at you but,
I always wonder why a lot of you call these girls "fangirls". I think they actually have a love interest for him. I mean, all these school girls fawning over Yukio are not just "fangirls" if they give him love letters or invite him to a dance party, I'd say they really want to go out with him. And why not? "Look, the guy with the best grades of our elite school who's also handsome and seems kind, let's idolize him with no romantic feelings whatsoever and not try at all to get to know him." Is that how it works?

There's a type of fangirl/fanboy that has a romantic crush on the subject of their interest, even if it's ludicrous. The most common case are celebrity fans.

Still, Shiemi has a stronger connection to Yukio than his legion of admirers. There's been many times where Yukio had the opportunity to take it further, but he didn't. Heck, I think he still has a chance even after this chapter, but it won't happen as long as he thinks he doesn't deserve her (which I think is the root of his lack of pursuit despite clearly having feelings for Shiemi).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tardar-sauce on November 10, 2015, 11:36:18 AM
Maybe Shiemi really just isn't ready for romance. It will solve this whole Shiemi/Yukio/Rin triangle If she never becomes interested in any of them. They're both rejected though. But not it's not like one brother loses to the other. And it leaves room for crack ships like Yukishura and Rizumo which are definitely gonna happen if RinShi doesn't.

Katou will go for RinShi I believe. Won't go for Yukishi. Even though they're so similar. And Rin and Izumo are so similar. Yukio and Shura are like brother and sister so something needs to happen for that ship to be possible. Besides Yukio suddenly realizing her breasts are big and Shura suddenly realizing he's her type.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Hikari Kirameku on November 11, 2015, 08:26:16 AM
Yukio and Shura are like brother and sister so something needs to happen for that ship to be possible. Besides Yukio suddenly realizing her breasts are big and Shura suddenly realizing he's her type.

Shura is 11 years older than Yukio, and Yukio's a minor to boot. That is driving right into the squick territory on par with twincest, so I'd rather NOT see that one happening. I'm pretty content with seeing them as the more brother/sister type relationship.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on November 11, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
While I'm not up for ShuraxYukio, there is really nothing stopping Kato from pulling  a CLAMP.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on November 11, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
^ Please no. Regardless the age difference, she would drive him nuts. He's even more wound up than usual when he's around her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on November 11, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
@NeeNee

I wouldn't like the pairing to happen, I'm just saying the age gap thing and the underage thing have been ignored by manga authors in the past.

Honestly, I can't ship Yukio with anyone right now.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on November 11, 2015, 04:00:34 PM
Honestly, I can't ship Yukio with anyone right now.

Yeah, Captain I-don't-need-it has to get his marbles back before any romance on his side.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on November 27, 2015, 04:54:03 AM
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And, I'm not directing this only at you but,
I always wonder why a lot of you call these girls "fangirls". I think they actually have a love interest for him. I mean, all these school girls fawning over Yukio are not just "fangirls" if they give him love letters or invite him to a dance party, I'd say they really want to go out with him. And why not? "Look, the guy with the best grades of our elite school who's also handsome and seems kind, let's idolize him with no romantic feelings whatsoever and not try at all to get to know him." Is that how it works?
No no no, I know you mean well lol. Maybe I was thinking of the anime at the time where those girls stalked Yukio just so they can feed him lunch.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on December 10, 2015, 06:15:23 AM
Yeah, I really can't ship Yukio with anyone either. In spite of everything that's been going on with him lately, he's at least been smart enough to keep his mouth shut about his feelings for Shiemi and not act on them. He's known since Vol 1 that the one she really likes is Rin, so no sense trying when you've already lost. That's why I never persue romantic relationships.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on December 10, 2015, 11:20:03 AM
He's known since Vol 1 that the one she really likes is Rin, so no sense trying when you've already lost. That's why I never persue romantic relationships.

That's.. really sad. I mean, in this case I can understand since Yukio has other things on his mind, but you shouldn't give up trying just because you don't know if you can win. (It's not that I don't understand, but still.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on December 10, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
I guess I'm just not optimistic about romantic relationships in reality, as I haven't really seen many good examples. And even in fiction, it seems the characters I'm hoping will win never do; in "Cardcaptor Sakura" anime Meiling wanted to be a Cardcaptor and loved Shaoran, but it was Sakura who got to be a Cardcaptor and won Shaoran without even trying. In "Fruits Basket" Kagura really did love Kyo, but it was Tohru who won him, again without even trying, etc. So, in regards to Shiemi, Yukio is at least wise enough not to try.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: sherripon on December 12, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
I guess I'm just not optimistic about romantic relationships in reality, as I haven't really seen many good examples. And even in fiction, it seems the characters I'm hoping will win never do; in "Cardcaptor Sakura" anime Meiling wanted to be a Cardcaptor and loved Shaoran, but it was Sakura who got to be a Cardcaptor and won Shaoran without even trying. In "Fruits Basket" Kagura really did love Kyo, but it was Tohru who won him, again without even trying, etc. So, in regards to Shiemi, Yukio is at least wise enough not to try.

For Meiling I'm gonna argue that because she is an anime original character, she never had a chance to begin with...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on December 12, 2015, 02:08:26 AM
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For Meiling I'm gonna argue that because she is an anime original character, she never had a chance to begin with...

Yeah, true enough, though her character was what made the show for me. I became more invested in her then Sakura and Shaoran and I wasn't much interested in the CCS manga canon, though I guess that's off topic.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on December 13, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
We can't really base anything right now until the crew gets together. We at least know Shiemi knows that Rin has feelings for her. SO when the crew gets together we will see where things go. Still in the Izumo x Rin, but things are looking alright.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on December 14, 2015, 02:52:06 AM
 from what my understanding is after reading ch74, Rin kinda gets it that Yukio likes Shiemi. Probably. This is really weird for 2 bros to like the same girl. If I were Shiemi, what would have I done? wouldn't it look bad on Shiemi's part to pick between 2 of her first friends? I wish she'd end up with someone else instead *maybe bon or someone else lol* im pretty sure izumo could go either with rin or shima. but that's just my bet.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on December 14, 2015, 09:24:38 AM
^ I REALLY hope she doesn't end up with Shima. After all the creep-things he did to her, it'd just feel wrong.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Dewchorom on December 14, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
After all the things that happened to both of them (Rin and Shiemi) , i feel like they will end up together :O thats only a opinion! Haha
Because it would really feel strange if Rin ended wifh Izumo... I think Kato-sensei said that Ao no Exorcist will aproximately end with 25 volumes or a few more... But we've reached the middle of the series and it will be a little strange if Rin started to like Izumo... And all the things and situations that happened with Rin and Shiemi together... Hehehe :O (sorry for the bad english!)
And if I'm not wrong, the title of the chapter 73 is 'Love Awakens', I thought that Rin's love awakened a very long time ago... So the love that awakened probably would be Shiemi's... :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on December 14, 2015, 12:22:21 PM
Based on chapter 70 and a few others, it seems to me that Izumo will most likely end up with Bon (even though I dont particularly like that pairing). Since the rescue arc, Izumo has exhibited no romantic interest in Rin at all.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on December 14, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
^and this is why i want a whole other shipping plot twist. :'( bon's probably asexual anyway, renzou could die (yeah im still thinking about that), rin could step back on romance if maybe kato would explore the behaviours of yukio and shiemi's side of the story with rin witnessing that, and shiemi could probably be asexual and aromantic that girl. izumo might open up to whoever she feels worth opening up and koneko gets the hottest girl in assiah. who knows.....  :-X



Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on December 14, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
^ Erm, not everyone who isn't hunting for boyfriends/girlfriends at age 16 is asexual, you know?

They're still young, and Shiemi's only in her first year of actually meeting people. Why don't you give her some time before you write her off?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Madow on December 15, 2015, 05:25:04 PM
and koneko gets the hottest girl in assiah. who knows.....  :-X
I seriously think thats going to happen since that salary man chapter, and with him developing that app, who knows how much money he'll make ;D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on December 16, 2015, 04:57:34 AM
and koneko gets the hottest girl in assiah. who knows.....  :-X
I seriously think thats going to happen since that salary man chapter, and with him developing that app, who knows how much money he'll make ;D
yes :)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on December 16, 2015, 06:16:38 AM
and koneko gets the hottest girl in assiah. who knows.....  :-X
I seriously think thats going to happen since that salary man chapter, and with him developing that app, who knows how much money he'll make ;D
yes :)

So... Koneko will become Tony Stark?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on December 16, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Hi! I'm new here, even though I've been snooping around the site for about a week now (it's definitely a breath of fresh air compared to the sometimes hostile environment of mangafox), lol. Anyway that's neither here nor there.

I'm rooting for Rin/Shiemi and Izumo/Bon.

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on December 16, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
^ I really think calling Bon and izumo as mortal enemies is a bit of an exaggeration. Izumo used to insult and mock everyone but Bon being overly sensitive and having a short temper lashes out at her aggressively since he is not the type to be calm and quiet. Bon and izumo's relationship is similar to Juzo and Mamushi's relationship with the latter teasing, mocking and insulting the former, and the former losing his temper and lashing out at the latter. Bon himself never goes out of his way to insult or anger Izumo and only reacts to Izumo's criticisms. They seem to be a rather fleshed out version of a normal love-hate relationship seen in most Shonens. I don't like this pairing but given the amount of focus in their interactions in each arc and the development in it, even I believe that this pairing is most probably going to be canon along with Rin and Shiemi. Not to mention I have yet to see a manga where a male and female character who have arguing with each other as a running theme about their relationship, not end up together by the end of the series (unless one of them is the lead and the other isnt or the manga makes it clear due to other reasons that they cant end up together like age constraints, character death, biological siblings etc.). Also, it would be a bit too strange for Rin to just get over Shiemi and start liking Izumo this far in the series.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on December 16, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
^ Ha, I suppose it is a bit of an exaggeration, but the fact still stands that they bumped heads quite a bit during the beginning of the series, and more than anyone else (except Izumo/Shiemi and Bon/Rin). Perhaps, I should've clarified. I was thinking of when she mocked his ambition (something Bon has been shown to hate with a fiery passion, no matter who it is) and Bon, in one translation, called her a b---h (if I'm not mistaken), for her rotten personality. Again, from where they've started, I do think compared to her relationships with everyone else, except Shiemi, she's come a long way. Teasing aside - on her part anyway - they're open and honest with each other, on a level unlike their relationship with others outside of their close-knit crew (Paku; Shima and Konekomaru).

Unless we count Rin, but Rin is open and honest with everybody, so I dunno.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on December 16, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
and koneko gets the hottest girl in assiah. who knows.....  :-X
I seriously think thats going to happen since that salary man chapter, and with him developing that app, who knows how much money he'll make ;D
yes :)

So... Koneko will become Tony Stark?
that is very cute and funny i gotta say. what a beautiful ending for koneko but then he turns to darth vader after some demon kills her
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on December 16, 2015, 06:36:09 PM
^ Ha, I suppose it is a bit of an exaggeration, but the fact still stands that they bumped heads quite a bit during the beginning of the series, and more than anyone else (except Izumo/Shiemi and Bon/Rin). Perhaps, I should've clarified. I was thinking of when she mocked his ambition (something Bon has been shown to hate with a fiery passion, no matter who it is) and Bon, in one translation, called her a b---h (if I'm not mistaken), for her rotten personality. Again, from where they've started, I do think compared to her relationships with everyone else, except Shiemi, she's come a long way. Teasing aside - on her part anyway - they're open and honest with each other, on a level unlike their relationship with others outside of their close-knit crew (Paku; Shima and Konekomaru).

Unless we count Rin, but Rin is open and honest with everybody, so I dunno.

To be fair, Izumo is the only person who has ever mocked and insulted Bon in the entire group and Bon unlike others in the group has a very short temper and thus is completely intolerant of criticism. Bon would react to anyone who insulted him with the same level of aggresiveness (Bon couldnt even stand Lightning making fun of him), so him butting heads with her was kind of expected. Also I wouldnt say that Izumo is more open and honest with Bon than the others since we havent seen her interact with all of the cast yet and also their openness with each other in chapter 70 had a lot to do with them having been going through the similar problem of losing the goal they lived for (Although I still believe Bon's problem is hugely over-exaggerated when compared to Izumo's) and Izumo was trying to help Bon deal with it which showed the change from when she tried to put him down for having a childish ambition. On the other hand, Izumo doesnt really have any meaningful interactions with anyone apart from Paku, Shiemi, Rin and Bon anyways.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: levi on January 05, 2016, 11:33:06 PM
i think we can already tell Shiemi/Rin and Izumo/Bon are endgames
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on January 08, 2016, 02:36:33 PM
i think we can already tell Shiemi/Rin and Izumo/Bon are endgames
I see the RinShi (which is the main reason I ship it, tend to go for canon stuff or stuff that seems to be headed for canon), but would be curious to see Izumo/Bon elaborated on. If that's okay to ask.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Vine on January 09, 2016, 12:54:52 AM
i can see izumo/suguro working out
they're both strong willed and hardworking and smart, even though they've had their friction before, it makes the moments where they get along more meaningful
i think they realize their similarities and although it'd be a hardfought relationship, it could definitely work out
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on January 12, 2016, 07:45:08 AM
^i really wouldnt call Suguro strong willed since he couldnt get over his loss of ambition all by himself even though Izumo and others recovered from their problems fast especially considering their problems were much worse than his. If anything it looks like Suguro for all his talent and skills is pretty fragile and weak willed. Although he and Izumo are definitely similar on all other aspects.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BlueExorcistPL on January 12, 2016, 09:13:27 PM
I'm pretty sure, that Rin will be with Shiemi and Bon with Izumo. So, I thought about Yukio and Shura, but I think, that Yukio won't change his behaviour.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on January 12, 2016, 10:19:53 PM
I'm pretty sure, that Rin will be with Shiemi and Bon with Izumo. So, I thought about Yukio and Shura, but I think, that Yukio won't change his behaviour.

No pedophily, please. I don't mind age differences between adults, but a kid and an adult is a no-no.

Bon and Izumo... I don't know. I don't see much indication that they will end up together at this point, but that can change. It's definitely not set in stone yet.

Unlike Rin x Shiemi, which is pretty much a given by now.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Dewchorom on January 13, 2016, 01:26:18 AM
I used to ship Shima with Izumo before... BUT after his betrayal I changed my mind hahaha
And Rin and Shiemi are really a cute couple D: if you compare their relationship when the manga started and now, you can figure out how they have changed :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BlueExorcistPL on January 19, 2016, 05:07:29 PM
I'm pretty sure, that Rin will be with Shiemi and Bon with Izumo. So, I thought about Yukio and Shura, but I think, that Yukio won't change his behaviour.

No pedophily, please. I don't mind age differences between adults, but a kid and an adult is a no-no.

Bon and Izumo... I don't know. I don't see much indication that they will end up together at this point, but that can change. It's definitely not set in stone yet.

Unlike Rin x Shiemi, which is pretty much a given by now.

As you can see, 28 people types the Yukio x Shura. Everything is possible. Yes, it would be weird, but who knows?
About Bon x Izumo: squabbles are a way of life. It's too early to be sure, but in the future something will change.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 20, 2016, 02:23:59 PM
HachirouXShura?

Hachirou: "Make me a child, now."
Shura: "No."
Hachirou: "Don't tell me it's because of that man? I won't let this go."
Shura: "I knew it would end up like this..."

Not exactly what they said, but close enough...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on January 20, 2016, 02:37:05 PM
im sorry if this is insanely weird but reading the layest chapter made me thought of something between shiro and shura. Holy crap. I know. i have to stop.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on January 21, 2016, 05:28:22 AM
Have to admit, if Rin/Shiemi wasn't already set up as endgame I might like Yukio/Shiemi, but he's clearly to far gone for that now. He's right that she wouldn't like the "real him". At least Rin is capable of having relationships.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on January 21, 2016, 06:15:35 AM
HachiroxShura is waaaaay to creepy. Hachiro is like a gazillion years old and made a deal with a freakin' five year old to have a kid with him. Grooooosss.

Have to admit, if Rin/Shiemi wasn't already set up as endgame I might like Yukio/Shiemi, but he's clearly to far gone for that now. He's right that she wouldn't like the "real him". At least Rin is capable of having relationships.

Now now, Yukio is just in need of a swift kick in the pants. Rin was right when he said that Shiemi would never hate Yukio. I can see her getting irritated at him for hiding a metric shit-ton of problems, but not hating him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on January 21, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
HachiroxShura is waaaaay to creepy. Hachiro is like a gazillion years old and made a deal with a freakin' five year old to have a kid with him. Grooooosss.
Well, he didn't exactly say she'd have to do it with him. And even if he did, he waited for her to get older and is still waiting for her to agree. When she disagreed, he only said "then give the sword back".

im sorry if this is insanely weird but reading the layest chapter made me thought of something between shiro and shura. Holy crap. I know. i have to stop.
That's what it can sound like if Hachirou was right when he said "Did everything become pointless/worthless to you when he died?" People are rarely that obsessed with someone if not romantically. But that doesn't necessarily means something between them, it could be an unrequited love on Shura's side. Though I'd be more inclined to think it's neither and Hachirou was simply off the mark. That's why I think it sounds like jealousy. X)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on January 30, 2016, 03:56:15 AM
HachiroxShura is waaaaay to creepy. Hachiro is like a gazillion years old and made a deal with a freakin' five year old to have a kid with him. Grooooosss.

Have to admit, if Rin/Shiemi wasn't already set up as endgame I might like Yukio/Shiemi, but he's clearly to far gone for that now. He's right that she wouldn't like the "real him". At least Rin is capable of having relationships.

Now now, Yukio is just in need of a swift kick in the pants. Rin was right when he said that Shiemi would never hate Yukio. I can see her getting irritated at him for hiding a metric shit-ton of problems, but not hating him.
Shiemi likes Rin which is okay it's my second favorite shipping after Izumo and Rin, but yea the pieces are laid out for them to build on.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on January 30, 2016, 10:47:01 AM
HachiroxShura is waaaaay to creepy. Hachiro is like a gazillion years old and made a deal with a freakin' five year old to have a kid with him. Grooooosss.

Have to admit, if Rin/Shiemi wasn't already set up as endgame I might like Yukio/Shiemi, but he's clearly to far gone for that now. He's right that she wouldn't like the "real him". At least Rin is capable of having relationships.

Now now, Yukio is just in need of a swift kick in the pants. Rin was right when he said that Shiemi would never hate Yukio. I can see her getting irritated at him for hiding a metric shit-ton of problems, but not hating him.
Shiemi likes Rin which is okay it's my second favorite shipping after Izumo and Rin, but yea the pieces are laid out for them to build on.

she's sorta confused as to how she feels for the twins especially with rin cinfessing and asking her to the dance. i'll be waiting for shiemi's answer i can't wait for her answer this time. kato's kinda into love triangles with  rin enfatuated with shiemi but thinks she likes yukio and now rin feels/thinks yukio likes shiemi. this is such an awkward love triangle with brothers liking the same girl  and i don't know when/if izumo would be a part of it or if she's on another ship with renzou or bon. which is also another awkward love triangle if izumo and bon gets developed (honestly it's hard imagining bon with a romance sidestory because lightning's there already haha)because if renzou really did felt a connection to izumo out of illuminati duty, bon and renzou would be going after the same girl. as for izumo, we don't know who she likes. things could change im not gonna complain if it gets unexpected and unpredictable even though rinshi is getting a lead already.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 05, 2016, 08:34:03 PM
I get it. So Hachirou is like the jealous father and Shura did have a crush on Shirou.

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on February 11, 2016, 11:19:19 PM
I'm probably a bit late, but one of my pairings (Yukio/Shura) may actually sail. I know it looks like it may be rape (on both of them) which is even worse than normal pairing with Yukio being underage, but hey.  ;D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 12, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
I'm probably a bit late, but one of my pairings (Yukio/Shura) may actually sail. I know it looks like it may be rape (on both of them) which is even worse than normal pairing with Yukio being underage, but hey.  ;D
I always thought a ship was sailing when the two characters started going out.
Though this would clearly qualify as a homerun, a fucked-up homerun.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on February 13, 2016, 09:34:42 PM
Yeah, this is less the ship setting sail and more the ship getting entered by pirates. I don't think it counts that way.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on February 13, 2016, 10:50:53 PM
I had to google "homerun", haha.
Yukio and Shura could go stright to not-together-but-with-a-baby phase of a relationship.

Yeah, I'm just kidding. That suggestion that Shura should be forced to have a baby and Yukio is nearby from the last page is simply hilarious. So "oh no she wouldn't". I expect Rin to kick the god's backside before anything happens, but I'm going to enjoy waiting at least a month to be completely sure.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 14, 2016, 12:13:31 AM
I had to google "homerun", haha.
Yukio and Shura could go stright to not-together-but-with-a-baby phase of a relationship.

Yeah, I'm just kidding. That suggestion that Shura should be forced to have a baby and Yukio is nearby from the last page is simply hilarious. So "oh no she wouldn't". I expect Rin to kick the god's backside before anything happens, but I'm going to enjoy waiting at least a month to be completely sure.
It's even more implyed than that. Hachirou says something along the lines of "How opportunate, I got my hands on a man/male."

Rather than Rin doing something, I think this is more an opening for Yukio to use his powers.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on February 15, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
Rather than Rin doing something, I think this is more an opening for Yukio to use his powers.

Hachiro: Now do the bees and the birds stuff.

Yukio: *Sets everything on fire.*

Hachiro: I had never seen the bees nor the birds do that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on February 15, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
Rather than Rin doing something, I think this is more an opening for Yukio to use his powers.

Hachiro: Now do the bees and the birds stuff.

Yukio: *Sets everything on fire.*

Hachiro: I had never seen the bees nor the birds do that.

oh man that is too awesome if it happens next chapter ! more awesome if the dialogue goes like that while yukio loses it!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on February 16, 2016, 03:09:55 AM
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she's sorta confused as to how she feels for the twins especially with rin cinfessing and asking her to the dance. i'll be waiting for shiemi's answer i can't wait for her answer this time. kato's kinda into love triangles with  rin enfatuated with shiemi but thinks she likes yukio and now rin feels/thinks yukio likes shiemi. this is such an awkward love triangle with brothers liking the same girl 

Not "Blue Exorcist", but http://mangafox.me/manga/fruits_basket/v12/c068/21.html this is what always happens to one of the three in a love triangle and I usually wind up sympathizing with the one who got rejected and left alone rather then rooting for the lovey dovey couple who got to live happily ever after.

In Kaguras case, she was foolish. Instead of saying she loved him, she should have just laughed in Kyo's face and said "Oh well, I never gave a damn about you anyway, smelly, ugly monster! Ha ha!" At least Yukio, for all his issues and dumb stunts, is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about his feelings for Shiemi so he doesn't have to hear "I'm sorry, but I have to turn you down because I don't love you and I won't come to love you. I'm in love with Rin!" said to his face.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Anya on February 16, 2016, 02:19:31 PM
It's even more implyed than that. Hachirou says something along the lines of "How opportunate, I got my hands on a man/male."
And now, knowing there won't be anything graphic, I can make popcorn and enjoy.

Rather than Rin doing something, I think this is more an opening for Yukio to use his powers.
It's like, extreme version of hover hand. Oh Yukio, you nerd, releasing satan power to protect himself from getting laid with a super hot girl. It's going to be hilarious.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on February 17, 2016, 01:36:24 AM
At least Yukio, for all his issues and dumb stunts, is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about his feelings for Shiemi so he doesn't have to hear "I'm sorry, but I have to turn you down because I don't love you and I won't come to love you. I'm in love with Rin!" said to his face.

Shiemi would never say that. She cares about Yukio even if she does end up going for Rin.

It's not smart for Yukio to keep his mouth shut. Holding in his feelings is what gets him into shitty situations. Telling Shiemi would at least get some stuff off his mind.

It's like, extreme version of hover hand. Oh Yukio, you nerd, releasing satan power to protect himself from getting laid with a super hot girl. It's going to be hilarious.

Er. If this is going where we think it's going, it would literally be an evil snake trying to force an unwilling man on an paralyzed woman. Am I the only one who's mega creeped out by this?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on February 17, 2016, 01:53:36 AM
Er. If this is going where we think it's going, it would literally be an evil snake trying to force an unwilling man on an paralyzed woman. Am I the only one who's mega creeped out by this?

It creeps me out, too.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on February 17, 2016, 03:30:43 AM
Er. If this is going where we think it's going, it would literally be an evil snake trying to force an unwilling man on an paralyzed woman. Am I the only one who's mega creeped out by this?

It creeps me out, too.

Same. Even more so, because I view Yukio and Shura as family.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Karen on February 17, 2016, 04:20:20 AM
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At least Yukio, for all his issues and dumb stunts, is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about his feelings for Shiemi so he doesn't have to hear "I'm sorry, but I have to turn you down because I don't love you and I won't come to love you. I'm in love with Rin!" said to his face.

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Shiemi would never say that. She cares about Yukio even if she does end up going for Rin.

It's not smart for Yukio to keep his mouth shut. Holding in his feelings is what gets him into shitty situations. Telling Shiemi would at least get some stuff off his mind.

You can "care" for someone and still turn them down and break their heart because you're not in love with them - even if you try to do it as nicely as possible. Manga/anime is full of that "I care about you, but I don't love you. I'm in love with someone else". Rin and Shiemi have obvious feelings for eachother and are being set up as endgame. Yukio sees this, so he knows confessing his feelings to Shiemi would be pointless and painful.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on February 17, 2016, 05:18:19 AM
Let me first say, you guys are cracking me up over here.

Rather than Rin doing something, I think this is more an opening for Yukio to use his powers.

Hachiro: Now do the bees and the birds stuff.

Yukio: *Sets everything on fire.*

Hachiro: I had never seen the bees nor the birds do that.

 ;D ;D ;D

Anyways, this situation for me is...so ridiculously interesting that I'll be sitting here trying to picture what the hell's going to happen until the chapter comes out. Wait, that's me on a daily basis anyways. Hehe.
If Yukio was older/Shura was younger, I would ship them 100%, not so much because of "compatibility" but more so because I just LOVE seeing them interact. I love love love it. Their dynamic is so interesting that as a ship, it would be like a million times more interesting. Ooh imagine all the complications.

But alas, because they are not so, I more low-key ship them, for the same reasons (I just love seeing them together, not a romancey kind of ship though). This makes the implications at the end of the recent chapter all the more fun. Ooh. I definitely can't imagine anything actually fully happening (oh God nor would I want to). The extent I see is that -- wow I don't even know how any of this works, so bear with me -- Yukio and Shura would get...close? But nothing would actually happen? You know? Like Lightning or back up comes in to knock out Hachirou/distract him so the hold breaks and both of them snap out of it and start moving or something. Just so it gets close enough it's like a jump scare to the audience (a "holy hell this is creepy my god WHAT THE HELL") and then BAM! Lightning/back up saves the day. Fight continues as per normal. Or something.

I also don't think Rin got EATEN by the snake. I'm pretty sure he's just chilling back there. As much as you can chill in the jaws of a demon snake.

On a side note, is it just me or are both Shura and Rin turned away/blocked from being able to see Hachirou and Yukio?

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on July 05, 2016, 08:48:41 PM
So is it just me or is ShuraxYukio becoming canon...?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 05, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
I think it's more of a brother/sister thing.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Okumura10 on July 05, 2016, 10:08:14 PM
So is it just me or is ShuraxYukio becoming canon...?

It's not just you, I also think it is becoming canon
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BlooCloud on July 05, 2016, 11:31:35 PM
I think it's more of a brother/sister thing.

This is how I choose to see it as well. Although, if Kato really wanted to make it canon, I could see that, too.

Long time no see, guys.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on July 05, 2016, 11:43:58 PM
I find it very hard to view it as canon considering Shura's been knowing Yukio since he was a child, and they were both raised by the same guy. It's borderline incest to me. She's like his and Rin's annoying older sister, if not pestering aunt. Plus, Yukio likes Shiemi, so there's also that.

But if Shura/Yukio is what she wants to push, then by all means go ahead. I'll try not to be too grossed out by it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 06, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
I find it very hard to view it as canon considering Shura's been knowing Yukio since he was a child, and they were both raised by the same guy. It's borderline incest to me. She's like his and Rin's annoying older sister, if not pestering aunt.
Shura does act like their older sister most of the time.
But I wouldn't say she was raised by Shirou nor that she saw Shirou as her father.
No matter how young she was when she first met him, she always saw him as a love interest. It's clear from recent flashbacks.
And even if he thought her how to be an exorcist and lectured her on her delinquent behavior and so on, I wouldn't call that a parent-child relationship, more like a teacher-student one. Hachirou is the one who raised her and the closest thing she has to a father.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on July 06, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
I don't think YukiShu will become canon, but that doesn't keep Kazue from a lot of shipteases. Shura definitely cares for the twins like they're her younger brothers. Now that they've saved her from death-at-30, I think she'll be much more invested in helping them. I do wonder if Yukio feels anything more for Shura...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on July 06, 2016, 05:34:33 AM
 i don't even see yukio having time for feelings. he's numb and thirsting for power. this is like a sasuke trope. he's obssessed to get stronger and stronger that he's okay leaving people behind. dun dun dun. i bet he's willing to hurt renzou or anyone who tries to stop him from going daredevil nuts again or finally joining  illuminati. (that would be in a while i suppose).
a guy so problematic has no room for such affections. i even feel that crush with shiemi has left him feeling empty and numb already. who cares about those it's not important as getting stronger lol but sometimes i wonder if shura's renzou's and yukio's bickering with the  'ladykiller four eyes' is a foreshadowing to yukio having a violent side to him in that area.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: TheBlackCat on July 06, 2016, 05:54:48 PM
I knwo this kinda off topic but I ship Bon and Izumo.I wonder what will become of them if any in the upcoming chapters.I know a lot of people ship Rin and Izumo and i dont have a problem with that but i really don feel it :P
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on July 06, 2016, 06:01:08 PM
^ Based on all the developments up until now, Bon and Izumo seem to be the most likely pairing to happen. I personally cannot stand those two together probably because I feel they come off as way too similar on all aspects, even the ones I would rather not see a similarity in, but I do believe they are the most likely pairing especially considering Rin and Shiemi is near canonical at this point.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: TheBlackCat on July 06, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
I think you're right about them being too similar.That's probably why they dont get along but then again Kazue Kato may not put anybody together.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 06, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
Bon and Izumo seem to be the most likely pairing to happen.
Why? They have no attraction at all.
We can talk about how they would or wouldn't fit together all we want, but as long as they don't seem interested it won't happen.

Rin and Shiemi is near canonical at this point.
You don't read enough shoujo manga.

Kazue Kato may not put anybody together.
Boo
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on July 06, 2016, 06:47:55 PM
Bon and Izumo seem to be the most likely pairing to happen.
Why? They have no attraction at all.
We can talk about how they would or wouldn't fit together all we want, but as long as they don't seem interested it won't happen.

The end of the balcony scene in chapter 70 between the two especially the viz translation felt like a pretty blatant ship tease with the two blushing and all.
Also both Suguro and Izumo were not interested in romance because of their respective goals which is now gone. And there were lots of interactions and parallels between them. Not to mention Izumo has a large number of interactions with Suguro, way more than with Rin or anyone else.
I dont like Izumo and Suguro together in the slightest and I would be very happy if they dont end up together and remain as vitriolic best friends but there have been way too many interactions of them constantly fighting and teasing each other which is a common thing in a lot of love-hate relationships portrayed in mangas, so that is why i believe that they may end up together. Not to mention the parallel between their relationship and Juzo and Mamushi's relationship
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on July 06, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
i don't even see yukio having time for feelings. he's numb and thirsting for power. this is like a sasuke trope. he's obssessed to get stronger and stronger that he's okay leaving people behind. dun dun dun. i bet he's willing to hurt renzou or anyone who tries to stop him from going daredevil nuts again or finally joining  illuminati. (that would be in a while i suppose).
a guy so problematic has no room for such affections. i even feel that crush with shiemi has left him feeling empty and numb already. who cares about those it's not important as getting stronger lol but sometimes i wonder if shura's renzou's and yukio's bickering with the  'ladykiller four eyes' is a foreshadowing to yukio having a violent side to him in that area.

I feel this on so many levels. Plus, I just can't see Yukio in a relationship with anyone. Dude has severe trust issues, to the point where all he does is lie, to others and himself.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on July 06, 2016, 07:23:21 PM
I like Izumo and Bon, but I doubt they'll end up together. I still hold out hope for Shizumo, especially given that the only time Renzou was troubled by his double-spying was after she slapped him. That's the only time he seemed vulnerable.

i bet he's willing to hurt renzou or anyone who tries to stop him from going daredevil nuts again or finally joining  illuminati. (that would be in a while i suppose).

Who doesn't want to hurt Renzou? Even Koneko was happy to literally sweep the floor with his body. Also, Renzou has had zero qualms about mindscrewing Yukio. Renzou deserves a bullet in the arm for that at the very least.

a guy so problematic has no room for such affections. i even feel that crush with shiemi has left him feeling empty and numb already. who cares about those it's not important as getting stronger lol but sometimes i wonder if shura's renzou's and yukio's bickering with the  'ladykiller four eyes' is a foreshadowing to yukio having a violent side to him in that area.
I feel this on so many levels. Plus, I just can't see Yukio in a relationship with anyone. Dude has severe trust issues, to the point where all he does is lie, to others and himself.

Whoa whoa whoa. Yukio definitely has severe trust issues and a violent streak, but it can be repaired. He wasn't born a psychopath. This is years of repression becoming undone. Shiro spent a lot of his time ensuring Rin was a good person, because I think Shiro was genuinely worried that Rin might succumb to his demonic nature. However, it seems Shiro assumed that Yukio didn't need any similar care. Boy was that a mistake.

Yeah, Yukio shouldn't be in a relationship now. But once he gets his shit together, which I'm pretty certain will happen eventually (although in probably ~50 chapters...), he can handle one.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 06, 2016, 10:35:47 PM
The end of the balcony scene in chapter 70 between the two especially the viz translation felt like a pretty blatant ship tease with the two blushing and all.
That's funny because that scene to me was just another one confirming there isn't anything romantic between them.
When he complimented her, at first she looked pleased, but then she got angry saying "Why do I have to be told that by you!" Since she looked pleased at first, it seems her problem was not with what she was told but with the person saying it. Like "why does it have to be you". If she just wanted to be mean to change the subject because she was shy, she could have said a hundred different things. Like "I don't care what you think." or "Why are you saying that all of a sudden? You want something from me?". Or at least if she said "Hearing it from you doesn't make me happy at all." it would have sounded Tsundere.

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Also both Suguro and Izumo were not interested in romance because of their respective goals which is now gone.
I wouldn't say Izumo wasn't interested. It's more like she wouldn't allow herself to get involved in it.

Suguro on the other hand...

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And there were lots of interactions and parallels between them.
That doesn't mean much. You don't calculate attraction by the number of interactions or parallels.

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Not to mention Izumo has a large number of interactions with Suguro, way more than with Rin or anyone else.
I'm not sure about that. But I don't have time to count.

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I dont like Izumo and Suguro together in the slightest and I would be very happy if they dont end up together and remain as vitriolic best friends but there have been way too many interactions of them constantly fighting and teasing each other which is a common thing in a lot of love-hate relationships portrayed in mangas
I could see that if it weren't from her attitude towards Rin. Izumo is the kind of tsundere who really goes from tsun to dere. The kind your talking about are the ones who always stay tsun and almost never goes dere.

Renzou has had zero qualms about mindscrewing Yukio. Renzou deserves a bullet in the arm for that at the very least.
How does a bullet in the arm compare to mindscrewing? At least make it even. An eye for an eye, no?

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Whoa whoa whoa. Yukio definitely has severe trust issues and a violent streak, but it can be repaired. He wasn't born a psychopath.
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Yeah, Yukio shouldn't be in a relationship now. But once he gets his shit together, which I'm pretty certain will happen eventually (although in probably ~50 chapters...), he can handle one.
Are you saying psychopaths can't handle relationships...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Spice Fairy on July 07, 2016, 02:38:49 AM
I ship Rin with Izumo and Shiemi with Yukio.(There I said it)

But at this point, I want Yukio to just take some time off to discover himself and straighten out his own internal conflict. Not saying he's not ready for a relationship (Okay, maybe isn't) but he needs to talk to someone about his issues and if Rin doesn't do anything about, I get the feeling Shiemi might act instead since she's kind of the glue between them.

Then we have Shiemi herself who's in the dilemma of who she wants to be in a relationship with and whether or not she's ready for one. I really want her to consult Izumo about what to do. It would be interesting to see how Izumo reacts.

Somehow, I could never bring myself to ship Rin with Shiemi at all since the beginning. I don’t really get the chemistry and Rin has gotten friend-zoned so many times that it's painful.

I guess I don't have the same tastes in ship like everyone else.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 07, 2016, 04:07:52 AM
^Actually, that's what a lot of people think.

Except maybe for the "Shiemi being the glue between Rin and Yukio" part.
Most people seems to think she's most likely to break them apart.

I really want her to consult Izumo about what to do. It would be interesting to see how Izumo reacts.
I too think it'd be interesting. But I don't think it would necessarily be a good thing. They're both, in their own different ways, awkward with romance. If it's only the two of them discussing, it might very well end up being Clueless Shiemi vs Guarded Izumo. They'd make more progress if Paku was there with them or if any one of them went to discuss it with Paku alone. But if they could manage to make a breakthrough with just the two of them, then I'd really want to see what this would look like.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on July 07, 2016, 07:27:53 AM
The end of the balcony scene in chapter 70 between the two especially the viz translation felt like a pretty blatant ship tease with the two blushing and all.
That's funny because that scene to me was just another one confirming there isn't anything romantic between them.
When he complimented her, at first she looked pleased, but then she got angry saying "Why do I have to be told that by you!" Since she looked pleased at first, it seems her problem was not with what she was told but with the person saying it. Like "why does it have to be you". If she just wanted to be mean to change the subject because she was shy, she could have said a hundred different things. Like "I don't care what you think." or "Why are you saying that all of a sudden? You want something from me?". Or at least if she said "Hearing it from you doesn't make me happy at all." it would have sounded Tsundere.

As I said I was talking about the official translation from viz in that scene where Suguro straight up says that he likes her better this way and izumo getting flustered and saying what he said that for. The fan translation felt to far less of a ship tease but the official viz translation was hard to not see a ship tease.
Also izumo's look when bon compliments her looked to be that of shock so how can u can say that she looked pleased and not to mention they both were blushing not just izumo. There is very little reason for Suguro to blush at Izumo's tsundere outburst since he has always been fighting with her.

Also given the way Suguro's character arc is moving him beginning to ease up and enjoy his teenage life more. And considering how he was complaining about everyone being into romance during the festival arc, it feels like he is going to get into a romantic relationship eventually. Even though I would rather he end up with somebody else, him ending up with Izumo seems to be the day it is heading although i would be happy to be wrong.

Not to mention Mamushi was shown to love mocking and teasing Juzo similar to how Izumo enjoys getting into fights with Suguro, and yet Mamushi was shown to be in love with Juzo all along at the end of the arc.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 07, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
As I said I was talking about the official translation from viz in that scene where Suguro straight up says that he likes her better this way and izumo getting flustered and saying what he said that for.
I see. Though he says "You're better now" not "I like you better this way".
I'm not making this up, the others are screwing around.

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Also izumo's look when bon compliments her looked to be that of shock so how can u can say that she looked pleased
It had a soothing atmosphere. For a second.

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and not to mention they both were blushing not just izumo. There is very little reason for Suguro to blush at Izumo's tsundere outburst since he has always been fighting with her.
Manga characters can blush for many reasons, not just romantic ones.
When they're happy, or when they're angry, or when they're embarrassed...
I'm sure I kind find images of Ryuuji making a similar expression at Rin or something, that doesn't mean he likes him... romantically I mean.
Here I'd say it's a classic case of Ryuuji trying to be cool but then it somehow backfires so he's embarrassed for not getting the right reaction, therefore failing to be cool.
As for Izumo, ironically, I think she got upset precisely because Ryuuji looked cool and was nice to her. Like you said, they have always been fighting, she doesn't want to suddenly have to receive his kindness. Especially if he looks cooler than her while doing so.

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Also given the way Suguro's character arc is moving him beginning to ease up and enjoy his teenage life more.
You really think he'll be able to do that now that he's under his new sensei's care. JK  X)

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And considering how he was complaining about everyone being into romance during the festival arc, it feels like he is going to get into a romantic relationship eventually.
Sorry, but you lost me there.

I'm never completely sure if Ryuuji is just shy or if he's acting like a "true japanese man" i.e. trying to always look unmoved by things like romance and such.

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Not to mention Mamushi was shown to love mocking and teasing Juzo similar to how Izumo enjoys getting into fights with Suguro, and yet Mamushi was shown to be in love with Juzo all along at the end of the arc.
They're different people. Let's not mix things up.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on July 07, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
i don't even see yukio having time for feelings. he's numb and thirsting for power. this is like a sasuke trope. he's obssessed to get stronger and stronger that he's okay leaving people behind. dun dun dun. i bet he's willing to hurt renzou or anyone who tries to stop him from going daredevil nuts again or finally joining  illuminati. (that would be in a while i suppose).
a guy so problematic has no room for such affections. i even feel that crush with shiemi has left him feeling empty and numb already. who cares about those it's not important as getting stronger lol but sometimes i wonder if shura's renzou's and yukio's bickering with the  'ladykiller four eyes' is a foreshadowing to yukio having a violent side to him in that area.

I feel this on so many levels. Plus, I just can't see Yukio in a relationship with anyone. Dude has severe trust issues, to the point where all he does is lie, to others and himself.

i don't mean he's not deserving and can't bring himself to love and have affections for other people.  i don't want him starved of love and comfort. presently he's uchiha yukio. starving for power. blind and kinda pessimistic that there are still people caring for him.give him time to settle the stuff in his life and afterwards hopefully he'll also have someone he can be with. (please, not toudou. just please). this is just the present state of his. not his attitude or behaviour or whatever.

anyway. i didn't know bon and izumo had a thing. really? well this is interesting. who cares who ends up with who. everyone's lovely with anyone they might end up with. but seriously, is bon/shiemi not even a thing??!!! alright. guess i'll just sail somewhere.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on July 07, 2016, 03:47:45 PM
i don't even see yukio having time for feelings. he's numb and thirsting for power. this is like a sasuke trope. he's obssessed to get stronger and stronger that he's okay leaving people behind. dun dun dun. i bet he's willing to hurt renzou or anyone who tries to stop him from going daredevil nuts again or finally joining  illuminati. (that would be in a while i suppose).
a guy so problematic has no room for such affections. i even feel that crush with shiemi has left him feeling empty and numb already. who cares about those it's not important as getting stronger lol but sometimes i wonder if shura's renzou's and yukio's bickering with the  'ladykiller four eyes' is a foreshadowing to yukio having a violent side to him in that area.

I feel this on so many levels. Plus, I just can't see Yukio in a relationship with anyone. Dude has severe trust issues, to the point where all he does is lie, to others and himself.

i don't mean he's not deserving and can't bring himself to love and have affections for other people.  i don't want him starved of love and comfort. presently he's uchiha yukio. starving for power. blind and kinda pessimistic that there are still people caring for him.give him time to settle the stuff in his life and afterwards hopefully he'll also have someone he can be with. (please, not toudou. just please). this is just the present state of his. not his attitude or behaviour or whatever.

anyway. i didn't know bon and izumo had a thing. really? well this is interesting. who cares who ends up with who. everyone's lovely with anyone they might end up with. but seriously, is bon/shiemi not even a thing??!!! alright. guess i'll just sail somewhere.

I knew what you meant, lol. It's just that until Yukio can overcome his internal issues, like lying and trusting people, I personally don't think he's fit to be in a relationship with anyone for the time being, especially not with Shiemi. This, aside from the fact that he simply doesn't have nearly as big an impact on her as Rin does, is one of the main reasons why I can only see them as friends, Yukio's one-sided feelings aside. She's tried reaching out to him, much like Rin, but like Shiemi told Rin, "He's giving you the same 'leave me be' look that he gives me." Shura's tried reaching out to him, but Yukio is hostile to her like he is towards Rin. He has to settle himself before he can be in a relationship. And that's not to say that Yukio doesn't have good qualities, but he is far too selfish at the moment to think of anyone else.

I fully expect Yukio to overcome his obstacles, just not anytime soon. (He's treading on Problematic Favorite right now).

Edit: Also, I should've clarified when I said I agreed with your statement. I don't see Yukio as a violent individual (with anyone that's not Rin), but I can definitely picture him manipulating someone's feelings (i.e. Shiemi) or straight up lying on a higher scale than what we've witnessed to get what he wants. Not that he'd hurt someone physically, but maybe emotionally and psychologically.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on July 08, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
As I said I was talking about the official translation from viz in that scene where Suguro straight up says that he likes her better this way and izumo getting flustered and saying what he said that for.
I see. Though he says "You're better now" not "I like you better this way".
I'm not making this up, the others are screwing around.

I always thought that apart from not using honorifics and occasionally mistranslating jokes that only make sense in japanese, they were very accurate with their work considering they are the legal way to buy and read manga in the west.

Also Izumo's interactions with Shiemi and Suguro were a major focus when it came to showing Izumo's character development even more so than her interactions with Rin considering her relationship with Rin didnt change much from beginning to now while there was substantial changes in her relationship with both Shiemi and Suguro. And even in that Shiemi's attitude towards Izumo never changed, but in case of Suguro, both their attitudes towards each other gradually changed overtime (and even in Suguro's case, his interactions with her were given a lot of focus when showcasing his character development). It also makes sense from character development point of view since these two started as hating each other and gradually developed into vitriolic best friends who deeply respect one another. If this is the end of the development between the two, then it is fine and honestly I would prefer that be the case but if the relationship between the two is going to develop further than it is very likely that their relationship might turn romantic (which I dont like but I do see it happening) since they already are best friends at this point of time and we are only little more than halfway through the series .

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Not to mention Mamushi was shown to love mocking and teasing Juzo similar to how Izumo enjoys getting into fights with Suguro, and yet Mamushi was shown to be in love with Juzo all along at the end of the arc.
They're different people. Let's not mix things up.

I was only bringing that up because Juzo and Mamushi's initial interactions were almost identical to Suguro and Izumo's initial interaction right up to one getting physically violent with the other. Not to mention that this is a series that thrives on parallels and contrasts between characters and  relationships between different characters.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kimya on July 08, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
I am not sure if this has already been mentioned in this thread (sorry if it has, I have not gone through all 30 pages) but what do you think about Mephisto's interest for Shura? It somehow freaks me out, even though I am not sure of why. x)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on July 08, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
As I said I was talking about the official translation from viz in that scene where Suguro straight up says that he likes her better this way and izumo getting flustered and saying what he said that for.
I see. Though he says "You're better now" not "I like you better this way".
I'm not making this up, the others are screwing around.
I always thought that apart from not using honorifics and occasionally mistranslating jokes that only make sense in japanese, they were very accurate with their work considering they are the legal way to buy and read manga in the west.

Cool it, xyzt. Chino's been doing direct translations of specific lines in the manga for a while. He's generally right. Viz doesn't just translate, they make lines sound smoother in English. This can lead to errors in interpretation.

There's a fundamental part of relationships: the parties have to at least *like* each other. Bon and Izumo simply tolerate each other. At most they're colleagues.

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Not to mention Mamushi was shown to love mocking and teasing Juzo similar to how Izumo enjoys getting into fights with Suguro, and yet Mamushi was shown to be in love with Juzo all along at the end of the arc.
They're different people. Let's not mix things up.

I was only bringing that up because Juzo and Mamushi's initial interactions were almost identical to Suguro and Izumo's initial interaction right up to one getting physically violent with the other. Not to mention that this is a series that thrives on parallels and contrasts between characters and  relationships between different characters.

Bon and Juzo are not similar. While Juzo is serious about his job, Juzo is much more easy-going in day-to-day life. He jokes and relaxes. Bon is serious in general. Mamushi and Juzo partially got together because of Juzo's forgiving nature.

I am not sure if this has already been mentioned in this thread (sorry if it has, I have not gone through all 30 pages) but what do you think about Mephisto's interest for Shura? It somehow freaks me out, even though I am not sure of why. x)

It was intimidating at the beginning because of Mephisto's threats of her "dying young", but now that the curse has been destroyed, I'm really not sure.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 08, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
I always thought that apart from not using honorifics and occasionally mistranslating jokes that only make sense in japanese, they were very accurate with their work considering they are the legal way to buy and read manga in the west.
Well, I'm a translator in real life (not of manga though) and I can tell you translators are humans, they can be flawed and they can make mistakes.
Though, if put in a simple way, there's usually two types of translators: the ones who tries to be as loyal as possible to the source text even if it makes the target text seem unnatural and the ones who tries to make the target text as natural as possible even if it makes it disloyal to the source text.
Translators are often asked to be the latter. Since the publishing houses often decide the target audience doesn't care about the loyalty to the source text as much as the fluidity of the target text. And eerily enough, a lot of translators happily comply.
But I like many others see this often leads in increasingly disloyal, lazy and rushed translations.

There's a french term for this, they call it the "belles infidèles" in reference to women "who are beautiful but always cheat". Critics on promiscuous women aside, I think that's a fine way to put it.

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Also Izumo's interactions with Shiemi and Suguro were a major focus when it came to showing Izumo's character development even more so than her interactions with Rin considering her relationship with Rin didnt change much from beginning to now while there was substantial changes in her relationship with both Shiemi and Suguro. And even in that Shiemi's attitude towards Izumo never changed, but in case of Suguro, both their attitudes towards each other gradually changed overtime (and even in Suguro's case, his interactions with her were given a lot of focus when showcasing his character development).
Again, what you're saying is irrelevant to romance. You don't calculate attraction by the amount of character development they make each other go through.

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It also makes sense from character development point of view since these two started as hating each other and gradually developed into vitriolic best friends who deeply respect one another. If this is the end of the development between the two, then it is fine and honestly I would prefer that be the case but if the relationship between the two is going to develop further than it is very likely that their relationship might turn romantic (which I dont like but I do see it happening) since they already are best friends at this point of time and we are only little more than halfway through the series .
A slippery slope argument?
Though I wouldn't even call them friends let alone best friends. And anyway, if I did, that would be bad news for their chances at romance. I'm among the ones who thinks that "acquaintance" branch out to either "friend" or "lover", that it's not a straight line where you have to go through "friend" to go from "acquaintance" to "lover" and that you can't call someone a "friend" and a "lover" at the same time.
But, I know, eternal disagreement...

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I was only bringing that up because Juzo and Mamushi's initial interactions were almost identical to Suguro and Izumo's initial interaction right up to one getting physically violent with the other. Not to mention that this is a series that thrives on parallels and contrasts between characters and  relationships between different characters.
The only parallel I see is they fought.

Sorry got to go.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 08, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
I always thought that apart from not using honorifics and occasionally mistranslating jokes that only make sense in japanese, they were very accurate with their work considering they are the legal way to buy and read manga in the west.
Well, I'm a translator in real life (not of manga though) and I can tell you translators are humans, they can be flawed and they can make mistakes.
Though, if put in a simple way, there's usually two types of translators: the ones who tries to be as loyal as possible to the source text even if it makes the target text seem unnatural and the ones who tries to make the target text as natural as possible even if it makes it disloyal to the source text.
Translators are often asked to be the latter. Since the publishing houses often decide the target audience doesn't care about the loyalty to the source text as much as the fluidity of the target text. And eerily enough, a lot of translators happily comply.

Why is that eery? I also prefer a readable translation over an accurate one. It’s best if you can have both, of course, but when you can’t, the idea should be to makes sure your audience gets the message, even if you have to take some liberties.

(You should have seen the Dutch translation of Bleach. They kept all the different compellations, including honorifics, and in Japanese… Half of the time I couldn’t figure out whom they were talking about. Great way to lose readers.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 08, 2016, 09:24:40 PM
(I believe we had a similar conversation some time ago...)

Why is that eery?
Because it often leads to increasingly disloyal, lazy and rushed translations.
Translation can be so hard sometimes translators give up and fall into the "good enough" mentality.

Or even worse, sometimes translators get power trips and go from changing onigiri into bread and Tokyo into Paris to changing gay characters into cousins and criticism of religion into inept gibberish.

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I also prefer a readable translation over an accurate one. It’s best if you can have both, of course, but when you can’t, the idea should be to makes sure your audience gets the message, even if you have to take some liberties.
How I make sure the audience get the message is I put footnotes or verify the information can be easily found on the internet.

Also, what I write may not always sound like what an anglophone would say, but may sound like what a Japanese speaking in English would say. Therefore I judge it's understandable even if not 100% natural.

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(You should have seen the Dutch translation of Bleach. They kept all the different compellations, including honorifics, and in Japanese… Half of the time I couldn’t figure out whom they were talking about. Great way to lose readers.)
What do you mean by compellations? Things like Taichou?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 09, 2016, 02:22:45 AM
^ Ichigo-kun, Ichi-nii, Kurosaki-chan... I get that they're trying to keep the nuances, but when you're reading a manga for the first time and the same character gets addressed in three completely different ways on the first few pages, it's just confusing. Especially because people in the West use first names in all those situations.

I mean, when you're translating a manga about the Japanese court this might be a good idea, because the status of the characters is important and anyone reading about that is probably interested in the Japanese way. But in an action shonen? Just make sure people can follow the story, man.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 09, 2016, 06:52:57 AM
^Come on, if it's only that, it shouldn't be so hard. And it's almost the same in western languages, don't pretend like it's not. James, M.Smith, Father, Honey, M.President, Lil-Jamy, he, that guy... it could all refer to the same person.

You really wouldn't like the Genji Monogatari. The characters in that book don't even have names, only titles, and they change some times so you have to keep up.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 10, 2016, 10:28:09 PM
^Come on, if it's only that, it shouldn't be so hard. And it's almost the same in western languages, don't pretend like it's not. James, M.Smith, Father, Honey, M.President, Lil-Jamy, he, that guy... it could all refer to the same person.
Yeah, but those things have meaning to the average Western reader. Unless you know a lot about Japanese, the examples I gave have not.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: echo on July 10, 2016, 11:09:54 PM
I don't think you really need to know a lot of Japanese to understand the honorifics, especially nowadays with the internet. Manga gives you pictures to help with the references, making it easier to pick up who is who than in your typical novel, and if that's not enough you can search the meanings and clarify who the characters are pretty easily, and then you've learned something, too. I don't see it as being much different than running into a word you don't know in your typical novel. Either you figure it out through context, look it up, or let it go and settle for not having complete understanding.

Of course, I really like having the extra level of nuance, since I think it gives me much richer understanding of the character relationships, which I'm almost always more interested in than the story >.<

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 11, 2016, 12:22:32 AM
And I think it's making things needlessly complicated for the sake of being 'exotic' and could prevent a good series from going mainstream.

Of course, if you like manga because "I read manga, I'm special!", that's good. But when you're a publisher who wants to sell books, it's not.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 11, 2016, 02:20:50 AM
Everyone's special NeeNee, everyone's special.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: echo on July 11, 2016, 02:34:02 AM
Aww, you got me. That is TOTALLY why I read manga. I go around every day telling people how special I am because of it.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on July 11, 2016, 03:40:00 AM
Aww, you got me. That is TOTALLY why I read manga. I go around every day telling people how special I am because of it.

It's okay, echo. NN is referring to the general public not being privy to honorific differences. It does cause difficulty in gaining an initial audience. Although I tend to agree with you. There's a lot of information in the slight nuances and I personally prefer 'em.

At the same time, it can be difficult for people to read. I think the only reason I can tolerate it is because I've been reading scanlations since I was 11 (celebrating ten years of fandom!). It's like why some people find Marvel comics difficult to read - the style conveys a lot of nuance, and it takes a while to really get into it.

Whether a translation is more or less accurate doesn't matter in the end. The best is when there's multiple translations to read and enjoy

Everyone's special NeeNee, everyone's special.

I should totally print this on a T-shirt.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on July 11, 2016, 04:06:59 AM
Aww, you got me. That is TOTALLY why I read manga. I go around every day telling people how special I am because of it.

I wish it was as dumb as you make it sound, but... you'd be surprised how many people actually consider themselves special for reading manga. A good part of them don't even want manga becoming more popular (even though this would mean more series to enjoy), because then it wouldn't be an exclusive niche hobby anymore. Go figure. :-\
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: echo on July 11, 2016, 04:34:43 AM
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Whether a translation is more or less accurate doesn't matter in the end. The best is when there's multiple translations to read and enjoy.


Totally agree, its really cool to see different translations + interpretations and know that they all came out of the same source text (if that makes sense).

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I think the only reason I can tolerate it is because I've been reading scanlations since I was 11 (celebrating ten years of fandom!).
Grats on ten years! For me, it was ancient Sailor Moon fanfics, liberally peppered with random Japanese phrases and names that were sometimes very different from the dubbed anime that I started on. I didn't find scanlations til way later. 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 11, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Aww, you got me. That is TOTALLY why I read manga. I go around every day telling people how special I am because of it.
I wish it was as dumb as you make it sound, but... you'd be surprised how many people actually consider themselves special for reading manga. A good part of them don't even want manga becoming more popular (even though this would mean more series to enjoy), because then it wouldn't be an exclusive niche hobby anymore. Go figure. :-\
I don't see why people wouldn't want more people to like the same thing they like. But I can see why they wouldn't want the thing they like being watered down to appeal to more people.


It's like if judo became so popular in the west that every school would have their own team and every town would have their competitions. But people in the west would be embarrassed to wear dogi because they think it looks or feels strange so they'd wear normal sports clothing. Then traditional fan would protest saying in judo you need to wear dogi because you need to grab the opponents clothes in a way that doesn't work with most normal sports clothing. Would you say these traditional fans want judo to stay an exclusive niche hobby or would you say they just want judo to stay judo no matter how many people play it?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on July 13, 2016, 05:17:49 AM
Well, I'm a translator in real life (not of manga though) and I can tell you translators are humans, they can be flawed and they can make mistakes.
Though, if put in a simple way, there's usually two types of translators: the ones who tries to be as loyal as possible to the source text even if it makes the target text seem unnatural and the ones who tries to make the target text as natural as possible even if it makes it disloyal to the source text.
Translators are often asked to be the latter. Since the publishing houses often decide the target audience doesn't care about the loyalty to the source text as much as the fluidity of the target text. And eerily enough, a lot of translators happily comply.
But I like many others see this often leads in increasingly disloyal, lazy and rushed translations.

There's a french term for this, they call it the "belles infidèles" in reference to women "who are beautiful but always cheat". Critics on promiscuous women aside, I think that's a fine way to put it.
I saw this article (http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/video-game-translators-are-on-your-side-so-stop-hating-on-them-830) and thought of this.
I'm not a professional but when I translate I tend to be very literal and more knowledge based. But I can see why localizing is more popular. Or if I read something based in a language/culture I know little about it does help me when they dumb it down or just localize it completely. I don't think localizers are more rushed but I think sometimes there is a lack of foresight. They need to guess what's going to be relevant later or if there is a hidden meaning. Although I am skeptical of translators bias (when you can tell a translator favors a ship or character).^(haha speaking of such I though the english translation I saw of ch80 really made Toudou's comment very platonic).

I like Suguro/Izumo and I saw it having potential in the beginning but they haven't interacted in such a long time. Oh well time to fall back on ShieIzu.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 13, 2016, 09:45:27 PM
I saw this article (http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/video-game-translators-are-on-your-side-so-stop-hating-on-them-830) and thought of this.
I knew about the term "traduttore traditore", but I dislike it since people usually use it to say all translators are traitors and all translations are treasons.
While "belles infidèles" is how people call translations they think are too disloyal for the sake of beauty or fluidity.

I haven't read all of the article but, before I reply to your post, I'll reply to some of the things Kate Gray wrote.

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Accusations of censorship are particularly loud at the moment.
That's because there is a lot of censorship.

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"A good localisation... will be truer to the intentions of the original creators than a strict translation," says Ace Attorney translator Janet Hsu. "By allowing a Western player to be entertained by it in the same way the creators intended their Japanese players to be entertained by the original – you're laughing at the same points, and crying your eyes out at the same points, too."
The most important thing I have against translators that does "localisation" is they assume too many things about their target audience based only on the fact that they all use the same language. People use English all around the world but have vastly different cultural backgrounds.

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There will always be differences – linguistic, cultural and otherwise – between countries, just as there are between eras. It is a localisation team's job to bridge these differences so that people can share and delight in the same things, in roughly the same way. Even though their work can often change the meaning and setting of a game in such a way that it ends up being quite different from the original, I still see localisation as being something that can bring people closer. It means that people who don't speak the same languages have a shared connection through being able to love something together. Localisation is a tough, taxing and often thankless job, but it's because of their work that we can enjoy games that otherwise would have been lost to us.
I think what brings fans of Japanese works together are their common knowledge of Japanese pop culture.
If you take too much of these elements away from the works you're translating, you are cutting bridges not building them.

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It takes a lot of work to find out the differences between the original and the translation – years of study in the language and an in-depth knowledge of the country and its culture. Sadly, we can't all speak other languages fluently. And yes, it sounds harsh to say that you should either learn a language or learn to appreciate a translation, along with all its flaws and downsides, but it's true.
No, it's wrong.
You don't need in-depth knowledge of the language and culture to understand what are the japanese honorifics or what a bento box is.
There is a golden-mean. If you are too lazy to try and find it, you can go ahead and change everything, but don't cry when I say your translation is bad.

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Translation is never, ever perfect. The translator will always be a traitor, and the best thing they can do is what they're already trying to do – offer you a different, but still enjoyable piece of entertainment. They might be traitors, but at least they're on your side.
Don't lump me together with them please.

I'm not a professional but when I translate I tend to be very literal and more knowledge based. But I can see why localizing is more popular. Or if I read something based in a language/culture I know little about it does help me when they dumb it down or just localize it completely.
At some point the best is to have many translations. But we're not always that fortunate...

I don't think localizers are more rushed but I think sometimes there is a lack of foresight. They need to guess what's going to be relevant later or if there is a hidden meaning.
Some of them think about the repercussions of their changes but some of them don't. And that's if the translator didn't change in between those times.

But while a more literal translator might spend sleepless hours thinking about how to translate one especially tricky sentence, a pro-localisation one may very likely just go ahead and change it to something completely different without a second thought. Their imagination is sometimes admirable, but I still don't think that's what they should be doing.

Although I am skeptical of translators bias (when you can tell a translator favors a ship or character).
Yeah, that's a difficult matter especially because people often don't see their own bias.

I always try to talk to many fans and non-fans to see different points of view.

^(haha speaking of such I though the english translation I saw of ch80 really made Toudou's comment very platonic).
That's a shame. What did they write?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on July 13, 2016, 09:55:29 PM
^(haha speaking of such I though the english translation I saw of ch80 really made Toudou's comment very platonic).
That's a shame. What did they write?

In the Viz translation, Toudou simply said "I like that kid... and look forward to seeing him again". Mild af.

Ironically, I think the "I'm interested in you" and "why do you reject me so harshly" in chapter 32 sounded much more non-platonic in English.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 13, 2016, 10:10:47 PM
^That is mild, but not that bad. Though I would have wrote "Besides, I love that guy you see. So I'm really looking forward to be able to see him again. Work hard on that."
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: justicecadet on July 14, 2016, 03:11:26 AM
^(haha speaking of such I though the english translation I saw of ch80 really made Toudou's comment very platonic).
That's a shame. What did they write?

In the Viz translation, Toudou simply said "I like that kid... and look forward to seeing him again". Mild af.

Ironically, I think the "I'm interested in you" and "why do you reject me so harshly" in chapter 32 sounded much more non-platonic in English.
the funny thing is that i think a more literal translation works well for the ambiguity. just "I like him." "that kid" is like... old man Toudou who lives down the street, or uncle Toudou.... it was the no-homo tagline. they can't crush my fujoshi dreams anymore.

@chino
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But while a more literal translator might spend sleepless hours thinking about how to translate one especially tricky sentence, a pro-localisation one may very likely just go ahead and change it to something completely different without a second thought. Their imagination is sometimes admirable, but I still don't think that's what they should be doing.
I try to stay middle ground on the topic. some content really isn't that deserving of "sleepless nights" though haha. I hope they put more care into monthly manga but I can't imagine stressing too much about weeklies.
i kind of like the idea that translators are traitors. not in a bad way? but in the way that, each language is different so you're going to have to change something or something won't sound quite right even if it is technically right. it'll never quite be the same as the source material.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: ToonamiRaid on July 14, 2016, 04:10:13 AM
Oh wow it is now a tie between Shiemi and Izumo!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on July 14, 2016, 05:00:21 AM
some content really isn't that deserving of "sleepless nights" though haha.
Well, when I talk about the more literal kind of translators, I think about the ones I know. And they're not translating manga or video games. They're translating history books or business documents.
I'm not sure how much some works "deserve" more or less care than the others. Maybe my standards are too high across the board. But I'm the kind of guy who's always trying his best in everything, until I quit that is.

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i kind of like the idea that translators are traitors. not in a bad way? but in the way that, each language is different so you're going to have to change something or something won't sound quite right even if it is technically right. it'll never quite be the same as the source material.
Of course it can't be the exact same.
But some people are using this as an excuse to do whatever they want. I don't agree with that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on July 14, 2016, 03:48:47 PM
I'm really ready for more Rin/Shiemi development. How are they going to interact after Ch. 73? Will Shiemi finally be able to tell the difference between liking people platonically and liking people romantically? I want so much more from them! This has been the only shounen couple that has everything I could ever ask for. This is a friends-to-lovers trope done right, imo. Please, don't disappoint me Kazue Kato! I've had far too many disappointments with shounen mangaka and their handling of couples.

I'm ready for more (like the anime, where I can see the ryokan scene again, omg). Besides, they're supposed to go back to the amusement park together.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on July 16, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
honestly i hope nothing changes. it'll be a really annoying thing to read if all that blushing/stuttering continues. that's why i do wish the characters get to be more mature before heading to the ship department. all in all, probably presently their concern is for yukio (poor yukio. he never gets his proper alone time), exorcist exams and etc. though it'll be nice for a lil ship tease once in awhile..... or not  :P
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on July 16, 2016, 01:19:39 PM
I agree with you as far as them maturing first (and the plot aspect. I need more Shima). Shiemi is still stunted in the love department, so for her to just enter into a relationship without understanding what that implies would be a disaster. And I like the pace at which they're developing too, so I don't want anything to be rushed. I can understand why people who don't ship them wouldn't want to see them have anymore moments, but to be honest, I'll be miffed as hell, if Kazue just let it fall to the wayside after how far they've come. It's way too late in the game to write their feelings off, especially Rin's.

It'd be equivalent to what Kishimoto did with NaruSaku, only to have them end up with different people, even though neither of the other pairings didn't have nearly the amount of development as them. And I don't ship any canon pairing in that disastrous story (except Shika/Tema). Only difference is that Kazue actually knows what the hell she's doing. For the longest time, I swore up and down that Shiemi and Yukio had a thing until Ch. 74, when Yukio verified that she liked Rin. That's a red herring done right, imho. I just want to see how everything will play out.

But I do still want the story. I need more Shima in my life, and I am curious to know how far Bon's training has taken him. Hell, I wanna know what they were all up to while Rin and Yukio were on their rescue mission. With a little ship teasing too (I hope Izumo and Paku talk with Shiemi; I never get enough of them).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: questdrivencollie on September 09, 2016, 02:46:39 AM
Re: the translation discussion,
I tend to prefer more literal translations, though I understand some things don't translate well on their own. I like it when footnotes are provided, though I guess there are cases where that wouldn't be practical? I'm not a purist, but I do prefer to know if a translation is changed for some reason. (Like when they change jokes that only make sense in Japanese, I get that, but I like to know they are changed because it's interesting to learn about the original.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Aszura on September 24, 2016, 06:32:53 AM
I'm legit the worst, just big on my crack ships
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on September 28, 2016, 11:36:00 PM
^Mind to elaborate? I'm curious now.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Spice Fairy on March 10, 2017, 03:29:15 AM
Shura x Yukio may be a no-go
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Why do I get the funny feeling Shura could have a potential relationship with Arthur?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: MetallicArcher on March 10, 2017, 03:15:35 PM
Shura x Yukio may be a no-go
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Why do I get the funny feeling Shura could have a potential relationship with Arthur?
Idk but I'm here for Arshura to sail!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kimya on March 10, 2017, 03:59:12 PM

Shura x Yukio may be a no-go
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Why do I get the funny feeling Shura could have a potential relationship with Arthur?
That sounds hilarious! I can see her rolling her eyes every time he talks about his fabulous hair.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: CrescentiC on March 12, 2017, 03:47:59 AM
A part of me is a sucker for RinxShiemixYukio omg
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 18, 2017, 06:15:30 PM
Shura x Yukio may be a no-go
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Really? And I came here to say something on the contrary...

After Shura says she'll be looking for a life partner, Yukio says "best of luck" and walks away, then Shura says "Something about that (attitude/reaction) pisses me off/makes me angry".

Isn't it because she was expecting him to be somewhat jealous?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on March 18, 2017, 07:25:39 PM
I'm with the person that takes a liking to Arthur x Shura. It would be very entertaining. I like Shura x Lightning, but only aesthetically. Lightning x Shura x Angel or the Angelic Legion makes for a hilarious OT3.

I don't think Yukio/Shura can work unless Yukio lets go  of his feelings for Shiemi. I feel like there's gonna be a chapter that addresses that.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Rook on March 20, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
With Shiemi potentially going away now (as of the latest chapter) I feel like Yukio's feelings for Shiemi could be resolved soon (or at least suppressed because apparently that's Yukio's version of dealing with stuff). However, I don't think that would result in a relationship with Shura. More likely it'll remove lots of the motivations he had for staying and push him closer to joining the Illuminati.

In terms of Shura though, part of me can't fathom her being in a relationship. Feels weird. Her and Angel wouldn't work I don't think, even though it would be beyond comical. Maybe Shura and a minor character? Part of me loves the idea of her meeting some meek, geeky exorcist who she absolutely terrorises but also really cares for.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 20, 2017, 01:16:23 PM
Even if Shiemi goes away, I don't think that would resolve Yukio's feelings for her. He tends to hang on to things and something like her leaving would probably motivate him to go after her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on March 20, 2017, 02:47:07 PM
Even if Shiemi goes away, I don't think that would resolve Yukio's feelings for her. He tends to hang on to things and something like her leaving would probably motivate him to go after her.

I think Rin is more likely to chase after her than Yukio, since Yukio is overly-pragmatic (or what I like to call a dumb smart person) when it comes to things like this. He's not emotional enough, imo, to do anything about his feelings other than get pissed at everyone else who points them out (like with Shura and Rin).

One of the biggest reasons that I can't support and refuse to support Shura/Yukio is that they're like family. She's that annoying older sister to Rin/Yukio, and I feel like that's the way Kazue set it up, even with the sexual (I'm not sure if this is the right word) undertones/tension with Yukio/Shura
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on March 20, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
surprise us kato sensei, spice things up. surprises surprises!!!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 20, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Even if Shiemi goes away, I don't think that would resolve Yukio's feelings for her. He tends to hang on to things and something like her leaving would probably motivate him to go after her.

I think Rin is more likely to chase after her than Yukio, since Yukio is overly-pragmatic (or what I like to call a dumb smart person) when it comes to things like this. He's not emotional enough, imo, to do anything about his feelings other than get pissed at everyone else who points them out (like with Shura and Rin).

One of the biggest reasons that I can't support and refuse to support Shura/Yukio is that they're like family. She's that annoying older sister to Rin/Yukio, and I feel like that's the way Kazue set it up, even with the sexual (I'm not sure if this is the right word) undertones/tension with Yukio/Shura
I agree with you that Rin would definitely go after Shiemi no matter what trouble she's in. However, if the above scenario happens, I think that Yukio would follow them as well since they are the closest people to him. I'm reminded of the Kraken Arc where Yukio rushed after them after Shiemi fell into Rin's boat.
Yes, I really don't like the Yukio/Shura ship. It's definitely a brother/sister relationship. The age gap doesn't help it either.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 21, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
I don't think Shura has a siblings relationship with Yukio and Rin. Or at least not from her point of view. Remember, she's the woman who flirted with and got rejected by their father. She also wanted to kill Rin up until they met. So she could hardly consider herself nor act like their sister back then and still probably don't.

But disregarding that and disregarding the age gap, I still don't think Shura and Yukio would work. Mainly because Yukio doesn't seem to be interested and because he seems like he needs someone that can soothe him, and all Shura ever does is anger him. Even though sometimes I don't know why he gets angry at her, but he does nonetheless. And it's not like I think everyone needs someone that's soothing, but I think Yukio definitely does.

Anyway, bottom line, I think Shura is often acting in a flirty manner towards Yukio (but she isn't serious about it; because if she was, she'd do way more). And if he took the bait, she'd probably reject him. Though every time he doesn't, it somewhat hurts her pride. But you hear stories like that sometimes, first it starts as a joke, but the more they get rejected, the more they keep trying, and the more they keep trying, the more they forget it was supposed to be a joke... idiots that is. X)


But whatever, I don't know anymore, since Shiemi said she's not in love with Yukio, I don't know anymore. X(
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 21, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
I don't think Shura has a siblings relationship with Yukio and Rin. Or at least not from her point of view. Remember, she's the woman who flirted with and got rejected by their father.

I know you mean that Shura has an odd inconsistent relationship with the twins, but pointing out how she accosted their dad with her breasts makes YukioxShura that much weirder. XD

But disregarding that and disregarding the age gap, I still don't think Shura and Yukio would work. Mainly because Yukio doesn't seem to be interested and because he seems like he needs someone that can soothe him, and all Shura ever does is anger him. Even though sometimes I don't know why he gets angry at her, but he does nonetheless. And it's not like I think everyone needs someone that's soothing, but I think Yukio definitely does.

Eh, everything pisses Yukio off. He mostly doesn't like her flippant attitude and how she annoys him. Who knows? Maybe one day he'll grow a sense of humor and not mind so much. I think that's possible if he somehow stops giving a fuck. Still, I agree that Yukio's simply not interested.

But you hear stories like that sometimes, first it starts as a joke, but the more they get rejected, the more they keep trying, and the more they keep trying, the more they forget it was supposed to be a joke... idiots that is. X)

Aww. Even if that's a shortcut to deeply unhealthy and weird relationships, it is adorable.

The problem with both Rin x Shiemi and Yukio x Shiemi is that they just aren't close enough IMO. I mean, I feel like Izumo and Shiemi are way closer because they've hung out more and really opened up to each other. Meanwhile, the last development for Rin and Shiemi was the Festival arc. Even after the mansion, I didn't feel like they really opened up to each other because they are both worried about Yukio and it crops up in almost every conversation between them. Yukio and Shiemi have it even worse, because Yukio is keeping his distance from everyone. I really wish Yukio's shenanigans were out in the open already, because that's halting any possible development for Yukio x Shiemi.

Now Shiemi has her little secret, and it's making them opening up to each other even MORE difficult. Gah. We better have a resolution to that in the next four chapters.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 22, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
I know you mean that Shura has an odd inconsistent relationship with the twins, but pointing out how she accosted their dad with her breasts makes YukioxShura that much weirder. XD
I know it's the usual reaction, but I don't think it's that weird. History, in particular Japanese history, is full of stories of old men remarrying with women who are way younger than them and who ends up having an affair with one of the man's son from the previous marriage to whom she's closer in age. Those stories are not so different from one where a woman would start flirting with the son after falling to get the attention of the father, while her age is halfway between the two. And I've read stories so much worse than that, I would not be the least surprised nor weirded out.

Eh, everything pisses Yukio off. He mostly doesn't like her flippant attitude and how she annoys him. Who knows? Maybe one day he'll grow a sense of humor and not mind so much. I think that's possible if he somehow stops giving a fuck. Still, I agree that Yukio's simply not interested.
Give the poor guy some credit. xD

He mellows down some times, especially when Shiemi is around. And he has some sens of humor. Just last chapter he was laughing with Ryuuji after his deadpan joke of the honor student having no talents in making simple paper decorations and having no shame about it. He simply have a very dry sens of humor. Like the SATAN thing at the Kyoto Tower or when he played along with Rin's pretending to be Renzou. Don't you agree?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Rook on March 22, 2017, 11:02:33 PM
I've never felt comfortable imagining Yukio and Shiemi in a relationship together. I feel like it would be unhealthy, there's something about Yukio's character. I think Shiemi could help him and she'd be happy, but a large part of me feels he might also be toxic for her. I don't know, I feel kind of bad saying it. Then again, the argument that Yukio mellows down around Shiemi is also valid. He's a different person around her - but is it more protective as opposed to romantic? I feel like it could go one way or the other - either Shiemi manages to bring out that more mellow side in him, or he develops into fullblown Illuminati psycho, maybe.

I'm more inclined to ship Rin and Izumo as opposed to Rin and Shiemi. I reckon that, currently, Rin and Shiemi are more likely to end up together, however Rin and Izumo's interactions during the IK arc and Izumo's arc make me feel like she could be a very supportive (and sensible) influence in his life, and he could help her too. I feel like they'd be good for each other, whereas Rin and Shiemi seem like they'd be better off as good friends. But that's just how I see it at the moment, I don't know how their characters will develop and stuff
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SofiaviBritannia on March 28, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
I like Bon&Izumo and Mephisto&Shura.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Cherub on May 16, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
Non of these xD
Even if I do see some good ones!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on May 18, 2017, 02:50:27 AM
At this point in the series, I think Rinshi is most likely endgame. Yukishi, while I do ship it, will have to have some major development from here to the end of the series for me to accept them as a couple instead of Rinshi (which has had great development).

I find it weird that despite knowing her the longest, Yukio and Shiemi don't seem to have many moments interacting with each other. I hope Kato sensei has good development with these two. One of my least favorite things about love triangles is that when the girl/guy chooses who they want, they just end up ignoring the person they didn't choose. I don't want Yukio to go evil and become possessive of her if she decides to be with Rin. 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on May 24, 2017, 12:00:41 AM
I found it weird that people saying that Rinshi is endgame. I mean, she just rejected him. Maybe there is still high probability that they will be together, but isn't the probability becomes lowest than ever?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on May 24, 2017, 12:56:48 AM
I found it weird that people saying that Rinshi is endgame. I mean, she just rejected him. Maybe there is still high probability that they will be together, but isn't the probability becomes lowest than ever?

I think it's likely endgame because of all the development it's gotten over the course of the series. She did reject Rin, but she only told him to wait for her to catch up. She does have feelings for him, but the shoujo manga she read told her that both parties need to be equal/mutual.She sees herself as not being Rin's equal in terms of fighting ability, and wants to work hard to catch up not only to Rin but to everyone else. But now that she's not becoming an exorcist, I don't know how this aspect will work.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on May 24, 2017, 01:02:25 AM
^ Admittedly, Katou could go a completely different direction by having Shiemi never get with Rin. This is possible if Shiemi never rejoins the Exwires. It'd be an interesting subversion of the love interest satellite character.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Mojo on May 31, 2017, 06:27:03 AM
The only pairing I really support is Shima and Izumo, I understand that it's very  unhealthy but I love their interactions. It seems Izumo is the only one who provides mental challenge to Shima and that's because she was just like him at one point. Shima is such a piece of shit but I believe Izumo can fix him since at least, she is the only one who understands him (according to her).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: jackolope on May 31, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
This is my first post on this lovely forum I have been stalking for waaay longer than I'd like to admit- so I want to make this count by talking about the most wonderful thing in the universe! Love between two girls!

I know its extremely unlikely that Izumo and Shiemi would ever become a couple (Kato doesn't seem to care very much for the LGBT community.. It's very sad but oh well) however, I do believe it would the loveliest and healthiest option! Their relationship has progressed so much and they really do care and love each other now! It's so heartwarming.

I think if one of them was a boy or both of them were, it would be much more popular and people would treat it as if it was practically canon! I mean, Shiemi collasped onto her knees and screamed because she was so happy Izumo was going to sleep over at her house! And Shiemi complimenting Izumo in the bathhouse chapter saying she is so slim and pretty! Pratically #canon.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Mace_407 on June 05, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
So, I'm a RinShi shipper. I liked it because they have so many devolopment together and sooooo many good fanfics involving them~! But, I kind of suspect that the RinShi ship is gonna sink any momment... (pls Kazue, dont sink this ship!) And (maybe) Rin's gonna end up with Izumo.

And I don't ship Yukio with anyone XD #ForeverAloneYukio maybe some brOTP with Rin but nothing more.

I also ship Shizumo and Juuzou x Mamushi (These ships has some GOOD fanfics!)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on June 08, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
I know its extremely unlikely that Izumo and Shiemi would ever become a couple
From the start I have been wondering why Shiemi tried very hard to be friend of only Izumo but not include Paku at that time...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 09, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
I know its extremely unlikely that Izumo and Shiemi would ever become a couple
From the start I have been wondering why Shiemi tried very hard to be friend of only Izumo but not include Paku at that time...
The very first time, she tried to ask them both to be her friend, but she tripped and couldn't even say hello. (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v02/c005/2.html)
Later, she was able to break the ice with Izumo, or so she thought at least. (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v02/c005/15.html)
So on her second try, she called out Izumo because she felt she was already a little closer to her than Paku. (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v02/c005/16.html)

Also, I don't think Shiemi had enough social skills to understand that at the time, but she wouldn't have been able to befriend Paku without befriending Izumo first.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: jackolope on June 09, 2017, 09:49:53 PM
I know its extremely unlikely that Izumo and Shiemi would ever become a couple
From the start I have been wondering why Shiemi tried very hard to be friend of only Izumo but not include Paku at that time...

Honestly. I love to interoperate it as Shiemi with a little baby lesbian crush- just like I used to go about the girls I had crushes on! Then Izumos complicated feelings about Shiemi and their scene crying together- its all too good to be true!

In all realness, like Shiemi literally fell on her knees and screamed with a bright red face because how happy she was Izumo was sleeping over at her house then was too happy she couldn't even taste anything. Thats called a crush.

I think it would be a wonderful way for her to sort out her complicated  feelings about platonic and romantic love with slowly discovering that her feelings for Izumo were actually romantic. I'd also love to see Rins face if Shiemi said she was in love with Izumo lmao.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 10, 2017, 02:59:31 AM
I think it would be a wonderful way for her to sort out her complicated  feelings about platonic and romantic love with slowly discovering that her feelings for Izumo were actually romantic.
The problem with gays, is the chances that the other person is also gay are slim, unless you knew he/she was in advance. If Shiemi's gay, it'd be great for her to finally realize it. But if she loves Izumo, it will most likely end up as unrequited love. Because if they both happen to be gay and discover it at the same time, it will need to be a pretty damn good heart warming story for the fans to accept it. Or it will end up like that complete failure of story telling in Avatar The Legend Of Korra.

I'd also love to see Rins face if Shiemi said she was in love with Izumo lmao.
If it's out of the blue, he'd be mainly surprised, I guess.
If he more or less witnessed the possible heart warming development of their love story, then I say he'd probably take it well and wish them to be happy.
But either way, as someone who confessed to her and was rejected, he'd probably have the usual reaction of "I see. So, I had no chance to begin with..."

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But no matter who Izumo ends up with, I just wish it will be someone with whom she can act like this:
http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023.5/9.html
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on June 10, 2017, 04:28:25 PM
^  It does feel like Izumo x Shiemi has been given a crapton of development though, mostly because their friendship is a cornerstone of both character's development arcs, and really well-done friendship arcs can feel more genuinely romantic than actual romance arcs. Heck, that's partly why Yukio x Shura is popular despite the obvious issues.

Out of the entire cast, Shiemi has been the most open with Izumo. Part of it was because Izumo's complex development. Shiemi's brightness and naivety contrasted with Izumo's initial nastiness and attempts to push away people. Now that Izumo has found resolution with how she cares for others and Shiemi has grown up a lot, they have the most positive interaction more than any other pair of characters. Unlike Rin and Shiemi who are very similar in their social interaction, Izumo and Shiemi challenge and complement each other socially. Izumo's more aggressive, while Rin and Shiemi are gentler and like to give space.

Still, I doubt Kato will go for Izumo x Shiemi, even though IMO they have the best romantic interaction out of any pair in the series. The next best pairs are Rin x Izumo and Renzou x Izumo.

I really have gained a new appreciation for Renzou x Izumo. I love how Izumo is both open with Renzou and not hesitant to kick his ass. She uses his "I thought we were similar" to remind him that he does care for others, he just likes to pretend he doesn't like she used to. Plus, I like the image of a scene of Izumo rescuing his butt if he gets in too deep, although giving him a good kick for acting lecherous.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 10, 2017, 06:16:58 PM
^  It does feel like Izumo x Shiemi has been given a crapton of development though, mostly because their friendship is a cornerstone of both character's development arcs, and really well-done friendship arcs can feel more genuinely romantic than actual romance arcs. Heck, that's partly why Yukio x Shura is popular despite the obvious issues.
I don't agree. You know me. I think every steps towards friendship is one step away from romance. i.e. the stronger the friendship is, the more it starts to look like kinship, so the sexual attraction goes through the floor and the romantic mindset disappear.

Out of the entire cast, Shiemi has been the most open with Izumo.
Shiemi is pretty open with Paku too. But Paku seems like she's trying to strategically leave them alone to force Izumo to stop relying on her so much and make other friends. But because of that, Paku is not spending much time (outside of the classroom) with Shiemi, even though they seem to get along fairly well.

Unlike Rin and Shiemi who are very similar in their social interaction, Izumo and Shiemi challenge and complement each other socially. Izumo's more aggressive, while Rin and Shiemi are gentler and like to give space.
You seem to be forgetting again that Rin is often aggressive too. Also, Izumo can be pretty gentle when she wants, like I pointed out here (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023.5/9.html), and like I said I wish she could be like this more often. Though Shiemi is overall gentle.

I believe sometimes it's good when partners are different and complement each other, but sometimes it's best when they're similar.
Because when you're in a relationship that seems to rest upon the fact that you're playing a complementary role, then I feel like it would feel like it's preventing you from changing.
Like (*overly simplifying things*) if Shiemi plays the role of the gentle one and Izumo plays the role of the aggressive one, then even if Izumo wants to become more gentle she might feel obliged not to, maybe to keep protecting Shiemi or something, and end up not being who she wants to be.

ha, got to go.

I really have gained a new appreciation for Renzou x Izumo. I love how Izumo is both open with Renzou and not hesitant to kick his ass. She uses his "I thought we were similar" to remind him that he does care for others, he just likes to pretend he doesn't like she used to. Plus, I like the image of a scene of Izumo rescuing his butt if he gets in too deep, although giving him a good kick for acting lecherous.
Coming back on that later, maybe.

EDIT: So, let's see... the last time I talked about that ship was quite a long time ago, but I don't think my opinion changed a lot, so I hope I won't repeat myself too much...

I like both Renzou and Izumo, I really do. And Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere to me, under all the lies and jests. If he had the chance to go out with her, I believe he would do his best to make her happy. He's often flirty and silly, but that doesn't make him a bad guy in my opinion. He's always complimenting, never insulting. And he's always asking or proposing, never really forceful or too insistent. But Izumo doesn't seem to share my opinion. As much as I think Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere, I think Izumo's aversion for Renzou's flirtiness and silliness look equally sincere. Renzou doesn't see that, because as he once stated, he likes Izumo being an icequeen. But she's not. She's a tsundere. Tsundere mellows down when they're with someone they love, they don't continue to relentlessly abuse them like icequeens do. So, it's not that I'm against this ship, but I just don't see it working, because Izumo never looked attracted to him, she even looks repulsed. I feel sorry for Renzou in all honesty.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: jackolope on June 12, 2017, 06:21:45 AM
I think it would be a wonderful way for her to sort out her complicated  feelings about platonic and romantic love with slowly discovering that her feelings for Izumo were actually romantic.
The problem with gays, is the chances that the other person is also gay are slim, unless you knew he/she was in advance. If Shiemi's gay, it'd be great for her to finally realize it. But if she loves Izumo, it will most likely end up as unrequited love. Because if they both happen to be gay and discover it at the same time, it will need to be a pretty damn good heart warming story for the fans to accept it. Or it will end up like that complete failure of story telling in Avatar The Legend Of Korra.

Unfortunately it is true. But you know what they say- lgbt kids usually flood together without even realizing it!

I talked mostly about Shiemi, but I like to interoperate Izumos own frustration with not being able to truly hate Shiemi and being able to open up to her is due to her having romantic feelings fot Shiemi as well. It could be a nice to see them help discover themselves- but it'd be a little out of place and I'm not sure straight people would be able to sympathize with them very easily if thats the case. It'd turn into "yeah, well, friendship is important too!" type situation.
^  It does feel like Izumo x Shiemi has been given a crapton of development though, mostly because their friendship is a cornerstone of both character's development arcs, and really well-done friendship arcs can feel more genuinely romantic than actual romance arcs. Heck, that's partly why Yukio x Shura is popular despite the obvious issues.

Out of the entire cast, Shiemi has been the most open with Izumo. Part of it was because Izumo's complex development. Shiemi's brightness and naivety contrasted with Izumo's initial nastiness and attempts to push away people. Now that Izumo has found resolution with how she cares for others and Shiemi has grown up a lot, they have the most positive interaction more than any other pair of characters. Unlike Rin and Shiemi who are very similar in their social interaction, Izumo and Shiemi challenge and complement each other socially. Izumo's more aggressive, while Rin and Shiemi are gentler and like to give space.

Still, I doubt Kato will go for Izumo x Shiemi, even though IMO they have the best romantic interaction out of any pair in the series. The next best pairs are Rin x Izumo and Renzou x Izumo.


This is really wonderful! Its all true, as well! Their friendship is very important, and your significant other being your best friend is something beautiful and lovely! Especially how much they've been able to build their relationship and grow together! I do also agree friendship can often come off as romance and romance often comes off as friendship. I wonder why haha!

They do compliment each other very nice! Even their appearences compliment each other- Shiemis light hair and eyes and Izumos dark hair and eyes! Even the short hair and long hair thing.

But yeah, again, its never meant to be. Shiemi and Izumo getting together isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on June 12, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
But yeah, again, its never meant to be. Shiemi and Izumo getting together isn't going to happen anytime soon.

That's what fanfic is for. :D

^  It does feel like Izumo x Shiemi has been given a crapton of development though, mostly because their friendship is a cornerstone of both character's development arcs, and really well-done friendship arcs can feel more genuinely romantic than actual romance arcs. Heck, that's partly why Yukio x Shura is popular despite the obvious issues.
I don't agree. You know me. I think every steps towards friendship is one step away from romance. i.e. the stronger the friendship is, the more it starts to look like kinship, so the sexual attraction goes through the floor and the romantic mindset disappear.

Yup, we have very different views on what constitutes a friendship versus a relationship. I stand by how a lot of other people feel friendships are more romantic in a lot of media than the legit romances. I think it's because friendships can't use the traditional tropes of romance, and as a result the interaction becomes more interesting and meaningful and thus a base for a romance. For example, Hawkeye and Black Widow have a deep friendship that was read more as romance in the Avengers before that ship got sunk.

Shiemi is pretty open with Paku too. But Paku seems like she's trying to strategically leave them alone to force Izumo to stop relying on her so much and make other friends. But because of that, Paku is not spending much time (outside of the classroom) with Shiemi, even though they seem to get along fairly well.

Paku and Shiemi have stereotypical classmate chit-chat. Izumo's avoidance of those topics makes her connection to Shiemi (and Paku) less platonic-appearing.

Also, Izumo can be pretty gentle when she wants, like I pointed out here (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023.5/9.html), and like I said I wish she could be like this more often. Though Shiemi is overall gentle.
I believe sometimes it's good when partners are different and complement each other, but sometimes it's best when they're similar.
Because when you're in a relationship that seems to rest upon the fact that you're playing a complementary role, then I feel like it would feel like it's preventing you from changing.

Good point. Still, I think Izumo actually does like to be more rough and tumble. Since her past has been mostly resolved, she has softened but remains comically (like her speech that a real human has to know about love) and directly aggressive (her passionate defense of Shiemi's talent in becoming an exorcist to Shiemi's mom). If she really wanted to be more gentle, she could be. Nothing's holding her back. Instead, she's direct and firm, channeling her energies to caring for her friends. I think she's exactly who she wants to be right now, a good balance between gentle and aggressive.

But Izumo doesn't seem to share my opinion. As much as I think Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere, I think Izumo's aversion for Renzou's flirtiness and silliness look equally sincere. Renzou doesn't see that, because as he once stated, he likes Izumo being an icequeen. But she's not. She's a tsundere. Tsundere mellows down when they're with someone they love, they don't continue to relentlessly abuse them like icequeens do. So, it's not that I'm against this ship, but I just don't see it working, because Izumo never looked attracted to him, she even looks repulsed. I feel sorry for Renzou in all honesty.

I actually disagree. In their only one-on-one interaction since the Inari arc (here (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/88/11)), Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 13, 2017, 06:06:49 AM
I stand by how a lot of other people feel friendships are more romantic in a lot of media than the legit romances. I think it's because friendships can't use the traditional tropes of romance, and as a result the interaction becomes more interesting and meaningful and thus a base for a romance. For example, Hawkeye and Black Widow have a deep friendship that was read more as romance in the Avengers before that ship got sunk.
I don't know much about Hawkeye and Black Widow. But if we take Lord of the Rings for example, I was way more interested in Aragorn's relationships with Legolas and Gimli than his relationships with Arwen and Eowyn. But I didn't ship Aragorn with Legolas nor Gimli.... What I mean is, I can agree friendships are sometimes more well written than romantic relationships, but I don't know if I'd say they're more romantic. Then again, maybe you're referring to these cases where characters have ambiguous relationships, like Nausicaa and Asbel from Valley of the Wind, where some fans think they're in love while some others think their friends or just friends. But this is done on purpose by the authors, so that all the fans can believe what they want. And this is not only done with characters of opposite genders, for example, CLAMP admittedly likes doing that a lot.

Shiemi is pretty open with Paku too. But Paku seems like she's trying to strategically leave them alone to force Izumo to stop relying on her so much and make other friends. But because of that, Paku is not spending much time (outside of the classroom) with Shiemi, even though they seem to get along fairly well.
Paku and Shiemi have stereotypical classmate chit-chat. Izumo's avoidance of those topics makes her connection to Shiemi (and Paku) less platonic-appearing.
Those topics?

I think Izumo actually does like to be more rough and tumble. Since her past has been mostly resolved, she has softened but remains comically (like her speech that a real human has to know about love) and directly aggressive (her passionate defense of Shiemi's talent in becoming an exorcist to Shiemi's mom). If she really wanted to be more gentle, she could be. Nothing's holding her back. Instead, she's direct and firm, channeling her energies to caring for her friends. I think she's exactly who she wants to be right now, a good balance between gentle and aggressive.
But then, why are there so many scenes (mostly in the extra I admit) where Izumo acts drastically differently when there's no one around, even sometimes making sure there is no one around?

People don't change so easily. To me, she still often seems to act harshly only because that's the only way she knows how to react more than that's what she thinks is the appropriate response. But of course it's hard to know, because she's also bad at apologizing.

Maybe you're right. But I think she still has some ways to go and things she wants to improve about herself; which isn't a risky bet given her age and experience.

But Izumo doesn't seem to share my opinion. As much as I think Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere, I think Izumo's aversion for Renzou's flirtiness and silliness look equally sincere. Renzou doesn't see that, because as he once stated, he likes Izumo being an icequeen. But she's not. She's a tsundere. Tsundere mellows down when they're with someone they love, they don't continue to relentlessly abuse them like icequeens do. So, it's not that I'm against this ship, but I just don't see it working, because Izumo never looked attracted to him, she even looks repulsed. I feel sorry for Renzou in all honesty.
I actually disagree. In their only one-on-one interaction since the Inari arc (here (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/88/11)), Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.
So you agree she doesn't have feelings for him right now? X)

I agree with most of what you said, but that could be the foundation for friendship or professional relationship instead of romantic relationship, or at least that's what it seems to me. She looks so cold there, not only cold but annoyed too. Even if she was an icequeen I wouldn't believe she has romantic interests for him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on June 14, 2017, 10:38:28 AM
I don't know much about Hawkeye and Black Widow. But if we take Lord of the Rings for example, I was way more interested in Aragorn's relationships with Legolas and Gimli than his relationships with Arwen and Eowyn. But I didn't ship Aragorn with Legolas nor Gimli.... What I mean is, I can agree friendships are sometimes more well written than romantic relationships, but I don't know if I'd say they're more romantic. Then again, maybe you're referring to these cases where characters have ambiguous relationships, like Nausicaa and Asbel from Valley of the Wind, where some fans think they're in love while some others think their friends or just friends. But this is done on purpose by the authors, so that all the fans can believe what they want.
just realized how many ships Aragorn was simultaneously on

I guess the director intend to let the audience imagine Hawkeye and Black Widow might have something, so it's more like your second type (Nausicaa and Asbel)

Also, Izumo can be pretty gentle when she wants, like I pointed out here (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v06/c023.5/9.html), and like I said I wish she could be like this more often. Though Shiemi is overall gentle.
I believe sometimes it's good when partners are different and complement each other, but sometimes it's best when they're similar.
Because when you're in a relationship that seems to rest upon the fact that you're playing a complementary role, then I feel like it would feel like it's preventing you from changing.

Good point. Still, I think Izumo actually does like to be more rough and tumble. Since her past has been mostly resolved, she has softened but remains comically (like her speech that a real human has to know about love) and directly aggressive (her passionate defense of Shiemi's talent in becoming an exorcist to Shiemi's mom). If she really wanted to be more gentle, she could be. Nothing's holding her back. Instead, she's direct and firm, channeling her energies to caring for her friends. I think she's exactly who she wants to be right now, a good balance between gentle and aggressive.
I don't feel like Izumo's attitude was really tsundere at the start of the series. In my opinion she was also exactly who she wanted to be. At first she thought Shiemi was challenging her in the tamer class. Then she thought Shiemi was annoying. In her first conflict with Bon, she was actually regard Aria as weak. Then in the second conflict on the train, she was actually regard their attitude to Rin as harsh. She was sincere at those scenes. We also saw Izumo was always nice to Paku, and she was also nice to Rin after he rescued her. So I don't think she choose to change her attitude to become generally softer, instead she realized she is not alone and they are actually nice guys, so she regret and changed her attitude to them. I don't think she changes her attitude to people besides the exwires.

Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere to me, under all the lies and jests. If he had the chance to go out with her, I believe he would do his best to make her happy. He's often flirty and silly, but that doesn't make him a bad guy in my opinion. He's always complimenting, never insulting. And he's always asking or proposing, never really forceful or too insistent.
But Izumo doesn't seem to share my opinion. As much as I think Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere, I think Izumo's aversion for Renzou's flirtiness and silliness look equally sincere. Renzou doesn't see that, because as he once stated, he likes Izumo being an icequeen. But she's not. She's a tsundere. Tsundere mellows down when they're with someone they love, they don't continue to relentlessly abuse them like icequeens do. So, it's not that I'm against this ship, but I just don't see it working, because Izumo never looked attracted to him, she even looks repulsed. I feel sorry for Renzou in all honesty.
I actually disagree. In their only one-on-one interaction since the Inari arc (here (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/88/11)), Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.
So you agree she doesn't have feelings for him right now? X)

I agree with most of what you said, but that could be the foundation for friendship or professional relationship instead of romantic relationship, or at least that's what it seems to me. She looks so cold there, not only cold but annoyed too. Even if she was an icequeen I wouldn't believe she has romantic interests for him.
I think both of them are not attracted to each other and are already in friendship or professional but non-romantic relationship. Although Renzou likes to go out with her and always complimenting and never really forceful, I don't see it's any different from his attitude to other girls, so I wouldn't say he is sincere to her. Therefore I also don't see Izumo repulsed him since he is not sincere from the start.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 14, 2017, 07:40:17 PM
I don't feel like Izumo's attitude was really tsundere at the start of the series. In my opinion she was also exactly who she wanted to be. At first she thought Shiemi was challenging her in the tamer class. Then she thought Shiemi was annoying. In her first conflict with Bon, she was actually regard Aria as weak. Then in the second conflict on the train, she was actually regard their attitude to Rin as harsh. She was sincere at those scenes. We also saw Izumo was always nice to Paku, and she was also nice to Rin after he rescued her. So I don't think she choose to change her attitude to become generally softer, instead she realized she is not alone and they are actually nice guys, so she regret and changed her attitude to them. I don't think she changes her attitude to people besides the exwires.
Her actions were not completely insincere, but they were insincere in a way. Like in the train, she wanted to defend Rin and wanted everyone to get along, but when Rin thanked her, she said she only did it because their attitudes pissed her off. Same as when she gave Rin back his shirt and he said something like "thanks, you even washed it and all", all she could say back was something like "that's because it was so dirty". As for when she argued with Ryuuji about Aria, she was arguing that people should learn how to fight alone and not rely on others, but when Ryuuji told her she will really end up alone if she stays like this, she looked like it hit her hard. And with Shiemi, in the tamer class she was jealous of how cute and friendly Nii-san was and how Shiemi stole her spotlight, so she complimented her and her summon in a sarcastic way making it an insult (even though Shiemi just took it as a compliment). As for the rest, Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi because she was jealous of how very sincere Shiemi is. Izumo can't bring herself to be completely sincere and that's what makes her a Tsundere. Remember, that's also what Paku told her the night of the festival; to try and be more sincere.

I think both of them are not attracted to each other and are already in friendship or professional but non-romantic relationship. Although Renzou likes to go out with her and always complimenting and never really forceful, I don't see it's any different from his attitude to other girls, so I wouldn't say he is sincere to her. Therefore I also don't see Izumo repulsed him since he is not sincere from the start.
Izumo doesn't like him precisely because she thinks that. That it's all just an act and that he does the same to every girls. That's part of being flirty and silly or fooling around.
But I think he's sincere because of that one scene during the Inari arc after she slapped him.

I know two people who are a lot like Renzou in that regard, so I know.That's one of my brothers, and one of my childhood friends who is now going out with that girl I ended up going out with before him. That's actually an interesting story, he was always complimenting her and asking her out, but he did so in such a ... theatrical way, that she never believed he was being serious. One day I just offhandedly asked her out and she accepted. After a few years of not getting along we broke up. And after a few years of not hearing from her I learned they were getting married. I suppose she should just have gone out with him from the start. X)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on June 14, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
I don't feel like Izumo's attitude was really tsundere at the start of the series. In my opinion she was also exactly who she wanted to be. At first she thought Shiemi was challenging her in the tamer class. Then she thought Shiemi was annoying. In her first conflict with Bon, she was actually regard Aria as weak. Then in the second conflict on the train, she was actually regard their attitude to Rin as harsh. She was sincere at those scenes. We also saw Izumo was always nice to Paku, and she was also nice to Rin after he rescued her. So I don't think she choose to change her attitude to become generally softer, instead she realized she is not alone and they are actually nice guys, so she regret and changed her attitude to them. I don't think she changes her attitude to people besides the exwires.
Her actions were not completely insincere, but they were insincere in a way. Like in the train, she wanted to defend Rin and wanted everyone to get along, but when Rin thanked her, she said she only did it because their attitudes pissed her off. Same as when she gave Rin back his shirt and he said something like "thanks, you even washed it and all", all she could say back was something like "that's because it was so dirty". As for when she argued with Ryuuji about Aria, she was arguing that people should learn how to fight alone and not rely on others, but when Ryuuji told her she will really end up alone if she stays like this, she looked like it hit her hard. And with Shiemi, in the tamer class she was jealous of how cute and friendly Nii-san was and how Shiemi stole her spotlight, so she complimented her and her summon in a sarcastic way making it an insult (even though Shiemi just took it as a compliment). As for the rest, Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi because she was jealous of how very sincere Shiemi is. Izumo can't bring herself to be completely sincere and that's what makes her a Tsundere. Remember, that's also what Paku told her the night of the festival; to try and be more sincere.

I think both of them are not attracted to each other and are already in friendship or professional but non-romantic relationship. Although Renzou likes to go out with her and always complimenting and never really forceful, I don't see it's any different from his attitude to other girls, so I wouldn't say he is sincere to her. Therefore I also don't see Izumo repulsed him since he is not sincere from the start.
Izumo doesn't like him precisely because she thinks that. That it's all just an act and that he does the same to every girls. That's part of being flirty and silly or fooling around.
But I think he's sincere because of that one scene during the Inari arc after she slapped him.

I know two people who are a lot like Renzou in that regard, so I know.That's one of my brothers, and one of my childhood friends who is now going out with that girl I ended up going out with before him. That's actually an interesting story, he was always complimenting her and asking her out, but he did so in such a ... theatrical way, that she never believed he was being serious. One day I just offhandedly asked her out and she accepted. After a few years of not getting along we broke up. And after a few years of not hearing from her I learned they were getting married. I suppose she should just have gone out with him from the start. X)

Given that the last time Izumo and Renzo were together, Renzo both literally and figuratively stabbed her in the back, I dont think Izumo is cold towards him just because he is annoying. Izumo said it herself that she hasnt forgiven him for the deception and it is fair considering he hasnt done anything to redeem himself in her eyes. This was a girl who had severe trust issues due to her past and Renzo betrayed her in what could probably be the worst way possible. I honestly dont think Renzo even remotely expects or believes that his feelings will be returned since he is (hopefully) not that stupid and realises that his actions fall really close to the realm of unforgivable for her. Given that after all this she still holds some level of concern for him is really generous of her.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 14, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
Given that the last time Izumo and Renzo were together, Renzo both literally and figuratively stabbed her in the back, I dont think Izumo is cold towards him just because he is annoying. Izumo said it herself that she hasnt forgiven him for the deception and it is fair considering he hasnt done anything to redeem himself in her eyes. This was a girl who had severe trust issues due to her past and Renzo betrayed her in what could probably be the worst way possible. I honestly dont think Renzo even remotely expects or believes that his feelings will be returned since he is (hopefully) not that stupid and realises that his actions fall really close to the realm of unforgivable for her. Given that after all this she still holds some level of concern for him is really generous of her.
I knew someone would mention that eventually.

I think Renzou thought she would forgive him. He thought she trusted no one and therefore wouldn't be surprised by his betrayal. He also thought she didn't care for the order and the other exwires, so she wouldn't mind him betraying them. (And to be fair, even Izumo thought those two things before realizing she was wrong and slapped Renzou across the face.) The only thing that would be left to forgive at that time, was him bringing her back to Inari without her consent; which, on it's own, she could have forgiven, I mean, it's not unforgivable considering he didn't know how she was being treated there and once he did, he tried to help her get out of it as much as he could.

Though I agree it's clear she hasn't forgiven him.

But regardless, for the part of my analysis that is based on things that happened before those events, they become irrelevant.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on June 15, 2017, 01:12:30 PM





I actually disagree. In their only one-on-one interaction since the Inari arc (here (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/88/11)), Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.

I agree with earthforge here. I believe that Renzou and Izumo have the potential to be a good couple. Both are very similar in their natures (like how Rin and Shiemi are similar). Renzou just needs to open up more to Izumo about how he feels.   
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 15, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
^Well, maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm right but some major development will happen. But if they do end up together, I hope she will never hit him. We can all agree he doesn't like it and he's got enough from his family.

And I wonder, do you guys think he'd never hit back? If he does, it's bad because she's weaker, but if she doesn't, it's bad because he can't defend himself.
At least with his brothers he can hit back. Even though he usually doesn't. Since he doesn't have a violent nature.

Men aren't made of steel you know. X)

#ViolenceIsViolence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PgH86OyEM)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on June 15, 2017, 06:32:58 PM
One of the reasons I liked her most recent talk with Renzou is that, even though she was annoyed, she never hit or insulted him. I hope that development is permanent. (Except for times when they have to fight because he has to do some work on behalf of the Illuminati.)

Agreed that the female-on-male violence double standard is the worst.

What I mean is, I can agree friendships are sometimes more well written than romantic relationships, but I don't know if I'd say they're more romantic. Then again, maybe you're referring to these cases where characters have ambiguous relationships, like Nausicaa and Asbel from Valley of the Wind, where some fans think they're in love while some others think their friends or just friends. But this is done on purpose by the authors, so that all the fans can believe what they want. And this is not only done with characters of opposite genders, for example, CLAMP admittedly likes doing that a lot.

I mean, it's not necessarily more romantic. It's just that people read romance into more interesting interactions. You can only see the same Meet Cute high-school set-up of a girl with a piece of toast in her mouth enough times before you get sick of it (except for the Fullmetal Alchemist short with Izumi meeting her husband XD).

People don't change so easily. To me, she still often seems to act harshly only because that's the only way she knows how to react more than that's what she thinks is the appropriate response. But of course it's hard to know, because she's also bad at apologizing.

Maybe you're right. But I think she still has some ways to go and things she wants to improve about herself; which isn't a risky bet given her age and experience.

True. Izumo is much more relaxed compared to Mamushi, so she could get much gentler. I see the framework for that, given her nice conversation with Bon in the chapter where he meets Lightning.

But Izumo doesn't seem to share my opinion. As much as I think Renzou's feelings for Izumo look sincere, I think Izumo's aversion for Renzou's flirtiness and silliness look equally sincere. Renzou doesn't see that, because as he once stated, he likes Izumo being an icequeen. But she's not. She's a tsundere. Tsundere mellows down when they're with someone they love, they don't continue to relentlessly abuse them like icequeens do. So, it's not that I'm against this ship, but I just don't see it working, because Izumo never looked attracted to him, she even looks repulsed. I feel sorry for Renzou in all honesty.
I actually disagree. In their only one-on-one interaction since the Inari arc (here (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/88/11)), Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.
So you agree she doesn't have feelings for him right now? X)

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on June 15, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
Agreed that the female-on-male violence double standard is the worst.

Is there really a rule that says you can't hit girls though? Because as I see it, it depends more on which kind of hit is being used.

1) When someone slaps you in the face with the palm of their hand, they're making a statement. They are letting you know that you have severely offened/angered them. This is more often used by females (on male and female), but it can also be done by males, like Shiro hitting Rin in the face in the first chapter. It is meant to hurt but not to injure; it is not an invitation to start a fight. Do not hit back.

2) When someone punches you in the face with their fist, they're picking a fight. Go ahead and hit back if you want. The only exception here is if a woman (or a man, for that matter) is punching you in defence because you cornered/grabbed her or something. But if a girl socks you in the jaw out of the blue, I certainly wouldn't blame you for returning the favor.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: jackolope on June 15, 2017, 09:28:53 PM
I wouldn't really ever want Renzou and Izumo to become a couple. I know he was joking around, but all the times hes tried to flirt with her has come off as super creepy to me. As well as his one creepy comment when she tried to escape from the Illuminati facility and he saw up her hospital gown. Plus, its just the trope is you harass a girl enough- even though shes obviously not interested- she'll come along eventually!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: NeeNee on June 15, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
^ I agree. I never liked the ship to begin with, but now it got downright creepy. If she does fall for him like this, I'm gonna question her mental health.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 16, 2017, 03:55:08 AM
One of the reasons I liked her most recent talk with Renzou is that, even though she was annoyed, she never hit or insulted him. I hope that development is permanent.
I actually like that scene too. Though I see it as two people who don't get along but manage to stay polite and considerate of each other, because they have to work together.

(Except for times when they have to fight because he has to do some work on behalf of the Illuminati.)
Of course, I agree. That's a whole different matter.

I mean, it's not necessarily more romantic. It's just that people read romance into more interesting interactions.
Well, I'll give you that good friendship is better than bad romance.

And that just reminded me of the cliché where a straight man tells his straight male friend "If you were a woman, I'd marry you."

You can only see the same Meet Cute high-school set-up of a girl with a piece of toast in her mouth enough times before you get sick of it
There's stereotypes for friendships too. Like poorly made rivalry is so common. Especially the ones of the "blue power ranger" type, if you know what I mean.

(except for the Fullmetal Alchemist short with Izumi meeting her husband XD).
Woah! I never saw that. Or at least I don't remember. Was it in the manga? I never saw the anime. And damn the young version of her husband looks so much like Bradley!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiPgVzDBRjE

So you agree she doesn't have feelings for him right now? X)
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Oh? I thought you'd say you agree she's not attracted to him but disagree that she's repulsed by him. Ah well.


Agreed that the female-on-male violence double standard is the worst.
Is there really a rule that says you can't hit girls though?
Well, I guess anyone can sue you if you hit them hard enough.
Though seriously, don't tell me you never met people who live by the personal rule of "never hitting a girl under any circumstances" and who believe anyone who do is awful.

Because as I see it, it depends more on which kind of hit is being used.

1) When someone slaps you in the face with the palm of their hand, they're making a statement. They are letting you know that you have severely offened/angered them. This is more often used by females (on male and female), but it can also be done by males, like Shiro hitting Rin in the face in the first chapter. It is meant to hurt but not to injure; it is not an invitation to start a fight. Do not hit back.

2) When someone punches you in the face with their fist, they're picking a fight. Go ahead and hit back if you want. The only exception here is if a woman (or a man, for that matter) is punching you in defence because you cornered/grabbed her or something. But if a girl socks you in the jaw out of the blue, I certainly wouldn't blame you for returning the favor.
That's common sense. I surely can get behind that. But a slap can still do some serious damage if you lock your wrist and put a lot of force into it. It's even worse if you use the back of your hand.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on June 16, 2017, 04:27:08 PM
One of the reasons I liked her most recent talk with Renzou is that, even though she was annoyed, she never hit or insulted him. I hope that development is permanent.
I actually like that scene too. Though I see it as two people who don't get along but manage to stay polite and considerate of each other, because they have to work together.
Well, that sounds kind of ... inaccurate. In Chapter 88 they were assigned the task by Shiemi. Even if you consider it as "a work they must do together", they didn't necessarily have to talk about other things besides the task (cake). And I wouldn't say the conversation was "polite" because it was quite straightforward.

And Izumo isn't that kind of person who hit others out from nowhere or only because of very minor things. Insulting ... maybe, but he was not really annoying and she was not really annoyed at that scene, so I don't see it's possible that Izumo would hit or insulted him there.

Izumo doesn't outright call him a creep like she did before. She generally sees through his joking around. The best moment is when Renzou tries to play his "that's how you differ from me" over Izumo being open about how she cares for her friends, and Izumo just throws back how they are the same and Renzou really cares about them too. While Izumo doesn't like his annoying and deceptive behavior, she sees it as a front. She fundamentally knows he cares for them and she cares about him too, which is why she asked him to be careful in the tough times ahead. That's a great foundation for her developing feelings for him, especially if Renzou ends up leaning more towards his friends as the situation with the Illuminati gets precarious. The closer the Illuminati get to their goal, the less they will need Renzou. Eventually they'll turn on him, and I really want to see Izumo and Renzou fighting side-by-side.
I agree with earthforge here. I believe that Renzou and Izumo have the potential to be a good couple.
So you agree she doesn't have feelings for him right now? X)
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Oh? I thought you'd say you agree she's not attracted to him but disagree that she's repulsed by him. Ah well.
Although I agree that Izumo is not attracted to him, I can see the possibly potential, or a seed, in that scene. Besides the apparent change of her attitude and her concern of his safety, what surprised me is that she pointed out that he cares others, even in a very confirming way. It means she either observed him or tried to analyze him based on memory.

I also think this kind of progress after the nine tail arc is reasonable. The most evident motivation is the survival of the foxes. Knowing that he has controlled the power of his attack so that the fox didn't get permanent injury, Izumo surely was impressed. (And I believe Izumo never impressed by him before the nine-tail arc.) Izumo hasn't get any answer after she asked him (http://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/65/26) about that. In the short term she is angry, but in the long term she inevitably tries to observe or analyze by herself (like what we readers have been doing). Still, it is not necessarily lead to a romantic development and can be the start of a friendship development.

I hope she will never hit him. We can all agree he doesn't like it and he's got enough from his family.

And I wonder, do you guys think he'd never hit back? If he does, it's bad because she's weaker, but if she doesn't, it's bad because he can't defend himself.
At least with his brothers he can hit back. Even though he usually doesn't. Since he doesn't have a violent nature.
Again, I don't think Izumo likes to hit others, so I don't see any problem here.

About the Shima family, those were actually training instead of violence. And he just doesn't like training instead of doesn't like to hit back. Izumo is not going to become a knight, so it's not possible she would join that kind of training.

Agreed that the female-on-male violence double standard is the worst.
Is there really a rule that says you can't hit girls though?
Well, I guess anyone can sue you if you hit them hard enough.
Though seriously, don't tell me you never met people who live by the personal rule of "never hitting a girl under any circumstances" and who believe anyone who do is awful.
Maybe because Renzou's attitude to female is kind of reminiscent of Sanji in One Piece, so readers might suspect whether he has any similar rule as Sanji. Even if this is the case, it's still personal choice rather than general standard.

Because as I see it, it depends more on which kind of hit is being used.

1) When someone slaps you in the face with the palm of their hand, they're making a statement. They are letting you know that you have severely offened/angered them. This is more often used by females (on male and female), but it can also be done by males, like Shiro hitting Rin in the face in the first chapter. It is meant to hurt but not to injure; it is not an invitation to start a fight. Do not hit back.

2) When someone punches you in the face with their fist, they're picking a fight. Go ahead and hit back if you want. The only exception here is if a woman (or a man, for that matter) is punching you in defence because you cornered/grabbed her or something. But if a girl socks you in the jaw out of the blue, I certainly wouldn't blame you for returning the favor.
That's common sense. I surely can get behind that. But a slap can still do some serious damage if you lock your wrist and put a lot of force into it. It's even worse if you use the back of your hand.
Yukio's punch at the end of IK arc somewhat lies between the two category. I guess that's why it's controversial there

I think both of them are not attracted to each other and are already in friendship or professional but non-romantic relationship. Although Renzou likes to go out with her and always complimenting and never really forceful, I don't see it's any different from his attitude to other girls, so I wouldn't say he is sincere to her. Therefore I also don't see Izumo repulsed him since he is not sincere from the start.
Izumo doesn't like him precisely because she thinks that. That it's all just an act and that he does the same to every girls. That's part of being flirty and silly or fooling around.
But I think he's sincere because of that one scene during the Inari arc after she slapped him.

I know two people who are a lot like Renzou in that regard, so I know.That's one of my brothers, and one of my childhood friends who is now going out with that girl I ended up going out with before him. That's actually an interesting story, he was always complimenting her and asking her out, but he did so in such a ... theatrical way, that she never believed he was being serious. One day I just offhandedly asked her out and she accepted. After a few years of not getting along we broke up. And after a few years of not hearing from her I learned they were getting married. I suppose she should just have gone out with him from the start. X)

Given that the last time Izumo and Renzo were together, Renzo both literally and figuratively stabbed her in the back, I dont think Izumo is cold towards him just because he is annoying. Izumo said it herself that she hasnt forgiven him for the deception and it is fair considering he hasnt done anything to redeem himself in her eyes. This was a girl who had severe trust issues due to her past and Renzo betrayed her in what could probably be the worst way possible. I honestly dont think Renzo even remotely expects or believes that his feelings will be returned
Since I don't see he has ever been sincere to Izumo, surely I also don't think he expects or believes any "return". Still, as described above Izumo is not as cold as she was before the nine-tail arc. Though I do believe any kind of truly friendship or/and romantic development will only happen after he reveal/redeem himself.
 
Regarding his facial expression after she slapped him, it could still be a friendship development.

I don't feel like Izumo's attitude was really tsundere at the start of the series. In my opinion she was also exactly who she wanted to be. At first she thought Shiemi was challenging her in the tamer class. Then she thought Shiemi was annoying. In her first conflict with Bon, she was actually regard Aria as weak. Then in the second conflict on the train, she was actually regard their attitude to Rin as harsh. She was sincere at those scenes. We also saw Izumo was always nice to Paku, and she was also nice to Rin after he rescued her. So I don't think she choose to change her attitude to become generally softer, instead she realized she is not alone and they are actually nice guys, so she regret and changed her attitude to them. I don't think she changes her attitude to people besides the exwires.
Her actions were not completely insincere, but they were insincere in a way. Like in the train, she wanted to defend Rin and wanted everyone to get along, but when Rin thanked her, she said she only did it because their attitudes pissed her off. Same as when she gave Rin back his shirt and he said something like "thanks, you even washed it and all", all she could say back was something like "that's because it was so dirty". As for when she argued with Ryuuji about Aria, she was arguing that people should learn how to fight alone and not rely on others, but when Ryuuji told her she will really end up alone if she stays like this, she looked like it hit her hard. And with Shiemi, in the tamer class she was jealous of how cute and friendly Nii-san was and how Shiemi stole her spotlight, so she complimented her and her summon in a sarcastic way making it an insult (even though Shiemi just took it as a compliment). As for the rest, Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi because she was jealous of how very sincere Shiemi is. Izumo can't bring herself to be completely sincere and that's what makes her a Tsundere. Remember, that's also what Paku told her the night of the festival; to try and be more sincere.
Around the festival Izumo was somewhat in the middle between repelling the exwires and recognizing them as good friends (mainly because of what happened at IK arc), so Paku made the speech there. Paku wouldn't say that when Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi the first time. When Izumo argued with Bon about the weakness of Aria, she was somewhat lost confidence because of the previous incident and Paku decided to quit, so Bon's comment reminded her about that. I think she was worried about her friendship with Paku, not with the classmates (like Bon) she was not familiar with yet. I do agree her attitude to Rin has not been completely sincere and more like tsundere.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 16, 2017, 08:17:59 PM
One of the reasons I liked her most recent talk with Renzou is that, even though she was annoyed, she never hit or insulted him. I hope that development is permanent.
I actually like that scene too. Though I see it as two people who don't get along but manage to stay polite and considerate of each other, because they have to work together.
Well, that sounds kind of ... inaccurate. In Chapter 88 they were assigned the task by Shiemi. Even if you consider it as "a work they must do together", they didn't necessarily have to talk about other things besides the task (cake). And I wouldn't say the conversation was "polite" because it was quite straightforward.

And Izumo isn't that kind of person who hit others out from nowhere or only because of very minor things. Insulting ... maybe, but he was not really annoying and she was not really annoyed at that scene, so I don't see it's possible that Izumo would hit or insulted him there.
I meant they both work together as exorcist exwires who are regularly sent on missions with the others and must study in the same classes.

I admit they could have been more polite. But as far as I can tell, no matter how direct they were, that's still polite.
If I compare them to truly polite people and truly impolite people, they're clearly on the polite side.

I agree Izumo doesn't hit people over minor things. And I don't want her to become someone who does. X(

You can't say she wasn't annoyed on that second panel there (http://mangafox.me/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v19/c088/15.html).
She always frown and narrow her eyes when she's annoyed.
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About the Shima family, those were actually training instead of violence. And he just doesn't like training instead of doesn't like to hit back. Izumo is not going to become a knight, so it's not possible she would join that kind of training.
That's still violent. Violent training. You can't escape it with pretty words.

In her first conflict with Bon, she was actually regard Aria as weak.
when she argued with Ryuuji about Aria, she was arguing that people should learn how to fight alone and not rely on others, but when Ryuuji told her she will really end up alone if she stays like this, she looked like it hit her hard.
When Izumo argued with Bon about the weakness of Aria, she was somewhat lost confidence because of the previous incident and Paku decided to quit, so Bon's comment reminded her about that. I think she was worried about her friendship with Paku, not with the classmates (like Bon) she was not familiar with yet.
I agree loosing Paku was one of her concerns at the time.
But there's also the concern of: if she loses Paku, she has no one else. And she's terrible at making friends, or at least she was. So beyond her fear of loosing Paku, there's the fear of being left completely alone.

I don't feel like Izumo's attitude was really tsundere at the start of the series. In my opinion she was also exactly who she wanted to be. At first she thought Shiemi was challenging her in the tamer class. Then she thought Shiemi was annoying.

Her actions were not completely insincere, but they were insincere in a way. [...] In the tamer class she was jealous of how cute and friendly Nii-san was and how Shiemi stole her spotlight, so she complimented her and her summon in a sarcastic way making it an insult (even though Shiemi just took it as a compliment). As for the rest, Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi because she was jealous of how very sincere Shiemi is. Izumo can't bring herself to be completely sincere and that's what makes her a Tsundere. Remember, that's also what Paku told her the night of the festival; to try and be more sincere.
Around the festival Izumo was somewhat in the middle between repelling the exwires and recognizing them as good friends (mainly because of what happened at IK arc), so Paku made the speech there. Paku wouldn't say that when Izumo was annoyed by Shiemi the first time.
Like I said, Izumo's actions were not completely insincere, but they were insincere in a way. At the start, she was annoyed by Shiemi, but wasn't sincere about why she was annoyed. I don't think at that time Paku realized why she was annoyed.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: xyzt on June 17, 2017, 03:25:26 PM

About the Shima family, those were actually training instead of violence. And he just doesn't like training instead of doesn't like to hit back. Izumo is not going to become a knight, so it's not possible she would join that kind of training.
That's still violent. Violent training. You can't escape it with pretty words.

Also I am pretty sure Kizo's constant kicking arent part of Renzo's training.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on June 17, 2017, 05:07:12 PM
About the Shima family, those were actually training instead of violence. And he just doesn't like training instead of doesn't like to hit back. Izumo is not going to become a knight, so it's not possible she would join that kind of training.
That's still violent. Violent training. You can't escape it with pretty words.
Also I am pretty sure Kizo's constant kicking arent part of Renzo's training.
It's to train his reflexes, by hitting when he least expects it. JK
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on June 19, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
About the Shima family, those were actually training instead of violence. And he just doesn't like training instead of doesn't like to hit back. Izumo is not going to become a knight, so it's not possible she would join that kind of training.
That's still violent. Violent training. You can't escape it with pretty words.
Also I am pretty sure Kizo's constant kicking arent part of Renzo's training.
It's to train his reflexes, by hitting when he least expects it. JK
I actually think that's partially true. It looks like Kinzou's action is mostly like some kind of special greeting or doing for fun, but he may also expect Renzou step aside or block the kick. He does yell loud with the attack so there is still time to respond. I don't see really bad intention in it, maybe it is violent in our standard but Kinzou just doesn't think so.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 06, 2017, 07:49:01 AM
So, thoughts on Yukio x Shiemi?

As screwed up as this sounds, I'm actually happy with what's happened between those two. YukiShi has always bugged me because those two never dug deeper. They've coasted on enjoying each other's presence, with Yukio inspiring Shiemi and Shiemi calming Yukio. Yet they both have substantial internal complexity. The interaction always felt stale because Shiemi was too uncertain of herself to pry, and Yukio never wanted things to change.

Then bam, chapter 93.

Shiemi had the confidence to confront Yukio on what he was hiding, and Yukio opened up. More than that, *he* hugged her. I don't think I can underscore how big it was that he initiated the hug. I feel like it's the brightest sign that Yukio can change for the better. At the same time, it was the red flashing warning sign that Yukio had lost control.

Sigh. Which takes us to the slam. What Yukio did was ten levels of not okay, even though it is understandable considering how emotionally screwed up he is. Shiemi is probably the one person who'd forgive him. While she was shocked because she didn't expect him to do that (and tbf neither did 98% of the audience), this isn't Shiemi's first rodeo in approaching a depressed aggressive Okumura twin. Granted, Rin unintentionally chucked flames at her in chapter 24 that ended up not hurting her at all. Here Yukio shoved her to the ground in a sudden paranoid fit.

The heart-breaking part is how things might have worked out if Yukio hadn't ran away. If instead he said sorry immediately.

Nothing can go back to the way it was before. But, that could be a good thing. After they process their issues (Yukio's abilities, Shiemi's secret), perhaps they could build their connection anew without false pretenses.
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tl;dr YukiShi just became an angst pair and i have an unhealthy love for those.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on August 06, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
I always love and enjoy yukishi. no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT.  thank god for @earthforge for having a way with words. i can't describe it. yukio's feelings, they were never explored. didn't need to.  no need for words. those times he wanted to escape everyone from home and his thoughts, and all that despair and painful turmoil, he'd prefer to hang outside her house like  a thug.  when she said it's fine to be pathetic at times, he embraced her and i was melting and hurting all at the same time. you could not even see it in a shipping perspective like you don't actually have to think that in a romantic way bc it wasn't. he wanted comfort and shiemi was there. he put down his walls, of all people only to her. probably i think he didn't even really cared anymore. that scene reminded me of the kenshin and kaoru moment where kenshin before departing said goodbye to her except there was no romance intended on yukishi. just angst asking for warmth and affection which backfired a little but that's what makes you even more engrossed on them. t'is all folks. im done. hate on me. im a victim of angst.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on August 06, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
I still feel as I felt before. I live and breath for one-sided Yukio/Shiemi and believe firmly that he and Shiemi wouldn't have a healthy, romantic relationship; though, I'm all for platonic Yukio/Shiemi, which I believe works best for both of them, especially Yukio, given that he claimed he didn't "have a single friend." Angst has never really been my thing. Vanilla fluff on the other hand... I feel like this latest chapter confirmed what I felt about the ship all along, but I would be remiss if I said I didn't agree with everything @earthforge said.

The hug, Yukio finally opening up, Shiemi reciprocating that hug. It was really sweet and necessary. Despite his error with slamming Shiemi to the floor, this needed to happen in order for Yukio's development to turn around for the better, because now the only place he has left to go is up. So, yeah, platonically, I think it works the best in both their favor.

(Sorry if I'm not going in depth; I just woke up and am out of my element with an intense cold. >_>)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Wikkelsoee on August 07, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
As things are now I really don't hope Yukio and Shiemi end up together. Yukio needs to sort his problems out first. It wouldn't be fair for Shiemi if she had to burden the responsibilty of taking care of him when he's suicidal like that.
I'm betting on this manga having a happy end though, so I might cheer for them in the future :D
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: jackolope on August 07, 2017, 04:56:42 PM
As things are now I really don't hope Yukio and Shiemi end up together. Yukio needs to sort his problems out first. It wouldn't be fair for Shiemi if she had to burden the responsibilty of taking care of him when he's suicidal like that.
I'm betting on this manga having a happy end though, so I might cheer for them in the future :D

Honestly, my thoughts exactly. Yukio has a lot to work out currently and while having a signifigant other can help, I don't think this is the case. It would be too emotionally exhausting for Shiemi. As a mentally ill person myself, I'm not saying all relationships with suicidal people would be toxic- but Yukio doesn't have the best rep right now.

Maybe- well, hopefully- in the ending Yukio will be able to work through his problems and get the proper treatment he needs. Once that's done, then I would say its the right time for Yukio to seek out romance relationships.

 I'm not sure how I feel specifically about Yukio and Shiemi being a couple, though. I'm sick and tired of "Let's pair every boy and girl together :)" endings.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Natsume Rin on August 07, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
If you listen carefully we can hear the Yukio/Shiemi ship sinking...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Mayhem950 on August 07, 2017, 11:28:46 PM
I still feel as I felt before. I live and breath for one-sided Yukio/Shiemi and believe firmly that he and Shiemi wouldn't have a healthy, romantic relationship; though, I'm all for platonic Yukio/Shiemi, which I believe works best for both of them, especially Yukio, given that he claimed he didn't "have a single friend." Angst has never really been my thing. Vanilla fluff on the other hand... I feel like this latest chapter confirmed what I felt about the ship all along, but I would be remiss if I said I didn't agree with everything @earthforge said.

The hug, Yukio finally opening up, Shiemi reciprocating that hug. It was really sweet and necessary. Despite his error with slamming Shiemi to the floor, this needed to happen in order for Yukio's development to turn around for the better, because now the only place he has left to go is up. So, yeah, platonically, I think it works the best in both their favor.

(Sorry if I'm not going in depth; I just woke up and am out of my element with an intense cold. >_>)

your thoughts are very similar to mine. Romantically, I just don't see Yukio/Shiemi as being healthy, in terms of for Shiemi emotionally/mentally. While it could be good for him, I can't support it, if I don't see it would be good for them both equally.

Chapter 93 really just confirmed for me why I could never get behind shipping them and where I felt it was heading. like, literally. I always felt he'd end up hurting her in some way; unintentional or not.
and while he regretted what he did, I still can't find it in me to be okay with it.
Yes, he felt bad but he didn't actually go and apologize for what he did (while I do understand what he is going through) and then Shiemi blamed herself, and took what happened as not being "good enough" or not doing "enough" instead of what it really was: Yukio was in the wrong for what happened, it wasn't her fault he reacted how he did.
just things about that bring warning bells into my head for why I cannot ship them.

I loved the hug and him opening up to her, and I love their platonic relationship, romantically I just can't find it in me to be able to support it.

(might go into better details on explaining my thoughts better later)

EDIT: I'd like to add though; I respect those who do ship them, everyone has preferences and views on situations! so enjoy your ship (*^.^*) this was just me explaining why I personally can't really support the ship, I'm in no way trying to shame/make those who do like them feel bad for it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: WhiteFang on August 08, 2017, 02:35:29 AM
On a somewhat unrelated/related/general note, I've never understood how or why people impose different requirements on romantic and platonic relationships to begin with? I mean I understand this is a societal convention of a kind, but relationships are a spectrum. Back to my point though, I can't quite see reasons (that aren't shoehorned, self-constructed, or societal definition oriented) for how/why a platonic relationship of a certain kind would be OK, but a romantic one, not so.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 08, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
Admittedly I don't exactly support Yukio x Shiemi as a pairing for the manga. Rather, I now enjoy it as a complex pairing for fanwork, same as my fondness for Yukio x Shura. I don't want Yukio getting into a relationship in the manga since his internal journey is compelling because it is self-driven.

There's also a line to describe him from a fanfic that keeps cropping into my head, especially after the latest chapter... "it's really not fair, to expect a demon to love".

Yes, he felt bad but he didn't actually go and apologize for what he did (while I do understand what he is going through) and then Shiemi blamed herself, and took what happened as not being "good enough" or not doing "enough" instead of what it really was: Yukio was in the wrong for what happened, it wasn't her fault he reacted how he did.

Agreed. I believe Yukio's biggest mistake wasn't pushing Shiemi -- it was not saying sorry. He removed himself from the situation because he was terrified he'd hurt her by staying, but that didn't mean he shouldn't apologize. He also thinks he hurts others less by staying away, even though Shiemi was most hurt by how he left.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Spice Fairy on August 10, 2017, 02:53:04 AM
I'm going down with Yukio x Shiemi no matter what happens!

(Silently cheers in the corner)

Also, I dunno why I can never see the potential for Rin and Shiemi like others can. I've always tried to, but I never could.
 
Both him and Yukio spend so little interaction with her that I can't tell and its rare for us to dive into her concious and see what she's thinking. And I guess I'm more inclined towards Yukio because his feelings are expressed mentaly rather than Rin's whose expressed physically.

Still, what wieghs it down is Yukio's menal state - which is
actually more my concern than romance. Can he still hang onto himself, or will he play into the hands on the villians like a puppet who can never be saved? Who knows? I just want this kid to...be a kid for once in his life.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BiriBiriMegane on August 10, 2017, 03:05:43 AM
I don't think Yukio wants to join the Illuminati but I’m sure they’ve prepared some kind of leverage for him. If so I think there's a possibility a dynamic could build between him and to-be-named Illuminati woman. Obviously we don't know much about her right now except she works close with Lucifer, but she gives off the vibe that she has seen a lot and can cut through the BS.

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/000b4ee48783b107f3aa000f28958d77/tumblr_oufxlqvNKW1r497c7o1_400.png)

I don't think Shiemi or Shura would work out in the long run, as much as I thought Yukio x Shura would be a thing for a while. Despite the events in Aoyama I don't think they're going to be able to be anything more than coworkers with a lot of history. And with Shiemi's little garden dream I think Rin x Shiemi will work out in the long run. And the events of 93 of course. That being said if this had been a year ago in-story Yukio's outburst would have destroyed her, but we she she's up and moving and getting help by the end of the chapter; she's come a long way and I think is a lot stronger than we're giving her credit for.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on August 11, 2017, 06:05:50 AM
I've always shipped Yukishi (though I love Rinshi as well), but this latest chapter just made me ship them even harder. I LOVE angsty ships   ;D

However, I do think that Yukishi wouldn't be good for each other at this moment, (especially for Shiemi). Yukio just has too many mental hang ups and if they did get into a relationship I think he would constantly seek out Shiemi as an emotional crutch, while Shiemi would take all of Yukio's problems and blame herself for not being strong enough for him. It also doesn't help that Shiemi has a lot of problems that are similar to Yukio's, i.e. low self esteem, an obsession with wanting to be strong, hiding secrets from friends.

Once their problems have been settled, I think they can build a relationship with some common ground. Both are hard working individuals with a lot of ambition. I can see it work, and even if it doesn't, at least I'll have fanfiction.   :D   
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on August 11, 2017, 04:00:44 PM
im just here to voice out my love for Yukishi too. no shade or hate but I LOVE THIS SHIP NO MATTER WHAT. NO MATTER WHAT. and i mean not canon, not healthy or whateva, not good for each other and all that. but uh... this ship has always been beautiful and special to me. my first aoex ship. all the beautiful rinshie happening andnim just here feeling zen and happy too that even yukishi is next to crack, i know for a fact their story is special in a dark way. beautifully angsty .
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Natsume Rin on August 11, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
And here I am, having caught up with the chapters and waving my 'Okumuracest' flag.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Cloelia on August 11, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
Two scenes where (the first time I saw em) I expected the boys to kiss Shiemi in the next panel... Well, something tells me Rin actually leaned toward Shiemi with this intention at first (before changing his mind the last sec cause Rin is such a kind and respectful guy).

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2yngwup.jpg)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: yukioisgay95 on August 11, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
yukio is gay and shiemi is his lesbian best friend. rin is gay too i dont make the rules i just enforce them
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 11, 2017, 11:53:48 PM
yukio is gay and shiemi is his lesbian best friend. rin is gay too i dont make the rules i just enforce them

And here I am, having caught up with the chapters and waving my 'Okumuracest' flag.

Gay pairings are mostly discussed in this thread. (http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,21.105.html)

Two scenes where (the first time I saw em) I expected the boys to kiss Shiemi in the next panel... Well, something tells me Rin actually leaned toward Shiemi with this intention at first (before changing his mind the last sec cause Rin is such a kind and respectful guy).

I actually found Yukio hugging Shiemi to be far more intimate than a kiss would have been. He physically opened up and pulled someone towards him. It showed Yukio denies himself human contact even though he longs for that warmth. It also showed that Yukio wants to show affection, as buried and mangled with self-worth and identity issues as it is.

(Then our hopes & dreams were brutally crushed.)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 11, 2017, 11:54:20 PM
\If so I think there's a possibility a dynamic could build between him and to-be-named Illuminati woman. Obviously we don't know much about her right now except she works close with Lucifer, but she gives off the vibe that she has seen a lot and can cut through the BS.

Haha, no way. That gal clearly only has eyes for Lucifer.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on August 12, 2017, 12:06:04 AM
On a somewhat unrelated/related/general note, I've never understood how or why people impose different requirements on romantic and platonic relationships to begin with? I mean I understand this is a societal convention of a kind, but relationships are a spectrum. Back to my point though, I can't quite see reasons (that aren't shoehorned, self-constructed, or societal definition oriented) for how/why a platonic relationship of a certain kind would be OK, but a romantic one, not so.

I imagine this was in reference to what I said.

Disclaimer: This isn't meant to start Discourse™ over shipping preferences. I'm not interested in that. I firmly believe in "Ship and Let Ship," as long as it's not at the expense of putting down another ship or being an asshole to people who don't ship what you like. That said...

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BiriBiriMegane on August 12, 2017, 01:23:53 AM
\If so I think there's a possibility a dynamic could build between him and to-be-named Illuminati woman. Obviously we don't know much about her right now except she works close with Lucifer, but she gives off the vibe that she has seen a lot and can cut through the BS.

Haha, no way. That gal clearly only has eyes for Lucifer.

Last I checked only Gedoin has the hots for Lucifer

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/aonoexorcist/images/a/a2/Ged%C5%8Din_tells_Izumo_about_his_experiment_results.png)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 12, 2017, 01:49:29 AM
What the everloving fuck possessed you to post THAT?!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on August 12, 2017, 03:55:02 AM
If you thought that was bad:

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If I have to look at it, so do you

Edit:

You know, I've also never really been in the Yukio/Shiemi scene until..well, this chapter. I'm a pretty hard Yukio/Shura fan (sue me), and I'll accept Rin/Shiemi just because let's be honest, it's been given the most development and it's probably the closest we'll get to an end game ship.

However, I can't deny that The Hug (TM) gave me extreme feels. I loved it. I relished in it. I couldn't stop staring as Yukio and Shiemi shared the most intimate moment we've had since Yukio and Shura almost made out with each other, and you can hardly call that intimate! The ship would be so unhealthy, and we can all agree Yukio is not compatible with anyone right now, and we can point out a million flaws in their ship, but I don't care because??? It was amazing??? That was like...hug GOALS. Like not even Rin and Shiemi can have a more beautiful hug. It was beautiful.

Despite that, I don't think I'd ever SHIP ship them, you know? Like I don't ship them, but maybe I Canoe them; something that is enjoyable only on peaceful waters with a few sandwiches on board, in the evening when the waters are still and you can watch the sunset from the canoe, your significant other in the seat in front of you, as you huddle together in the light evening chill and stare into each others' eyes. But outside of that, you can't really go anywhere with it.

The way Yukio treats Shiemi is how I'd feel he'd treat his mother, Yuri. He would treat her extremely gently, always looking out for her, with extreme love and care, willing to do anything to protect her and, like a little boy, be able to be raw and seek comfort from her. You know how people say that females who grow up without father figures don't know how to draw boundaries in a relationship with men in the future (up for debate)? It's like the same thing with Yukio. Without a mother figure, and without any real female figure in general (aside from Shura, but she hardly counts as a mother-like, nurturing female), he might have latched onto Shiemi as that figure. Sure, he has a crush on her, but maybe he'd have a crush on anyone who really gave him the peace and support that he lacked from a comforting parental figure, namely a mother. Shiro was really harsh on him, and so was Shura; aside from that, there was no one else older he could really look up to.
Shiemi was his first semblance of peace in this world, and she would have been his last if he could actually kill himself. Isn't it sad that he cannot glean that sort of peace from anyone else? This is why this ship is so precious to those who ship it, I guess, since Shiemi is his only source of that. I wonder how both him and us readers would feel if he actually had another gentle, kind support person? It definitely wouldn't be the same! It wouldn't have the same novelty that it does now. And that's sad, for Yukio.

Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Cloelia on August 12, 2017, 08:44:39 AM
I actually found Yukio hugging Shiemi to be far more intimate than a kiss would have been. He physically opened up and pulled someone towards him. It showed Yukio denies himself human contact even though he longs for that warmth. It also showed that Yukio wants to show affection, as buried and mangled with self-worth and identity issues as it is.

I totally agree with that and the way you described it is just perfect. I too, even for personal experiences, I consider hugs way more "intimate" than a kiss, in general. Exactly for the reason you pointed out. Oc, what I meant is that "I expected them to kiss" not as in "I hoped for that" but as in "it looked like it was building up that way".

In this manga, the only "relationship" I ship is the -brotherly- one between the twins. And what I long for is a hug between these two boys... pls, Kato-sama, grant my wish someday  :'(

The way Yukio treats Shiemi is how I'd feel he'd treat his mother, Yuri. He would treat her extremely gently, always looking out for her, with extreme love and care, willing to do anything to protect her and, like a little boy, be able to be raw and seek comfort from her. You know how people say that females who grow up without father figures don't know how to draw boundaries in a relationship with men in the future (up for debate)? It's like the same thing with Yukio. Without a mother figure, and without any real female figure in general (aside from Shura, but she hardly counts as a mother-like, nurturing female), he might have latched onto Shiemi as that figure. Sure, he has a crush on her, but maybe he'd have a crush on anyone who really gave him the peace and support that he lacked from a comforting parental figure, namely a mother. Shiro was really harsh on him, and so was Shura; aside from that, there was no one else older he could really look up to.

I so agree with this too.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: SimpleBliss on August 25, 2017, 03:22:27 AM
hElp mE I'm becoming a harder and harder YukiShi fan. Every day I secretly fall deeper and deeper into this ship. Not even I am aware of the progress. All I know is that one day I was scrolling through the yukishi tag on tumblr and...and I was enjoying it. I don't even remember how I got there. I used to be SO rinshi...what happened????

I also see the appeal of rizumo. And??? I've NEVER considered it before??? What's happening to me???

See, I feel like the arguments against yukishi are all based on Yukio's mental health. But it's not fair to Yukio; he's not his mental illness. He's not his problems. He's not his insanity. Those are things that are happening right now. They don't define Yukio's character, they define his present state. Sheimi, too; she's still growing, and so is Yukio. While Rin and Sheimi have a good, honest relationship, it feels...young and childish. Friendly, and on the surface. Extremely supportive.Very much like a very good first relationship, but not one that can be taken to the end. But Yukio and Sheimi have sparks, you know? Common interests and, despite what it might seem like, VERY similar personalities. I can't help but feel like Yukio also treats Sheimi like more of an equal than Rin does.

Sheimi and Yukio balance each other out. Yukio is gentler around her despite his aggressive personality, and she's learned to be more forceful with him, despite her conflict avoiding nature. On the contrary, Rin and Sheimi are very alike. Good potential for a strong friendship. Sheimi is ridiculously strong; while she's been shy, she's never been weak at heart. She has a very strong resolve. As a result, she can handle Yukio when he wants to act his age, or let go for a bit, just like she's done all the other times in their relationship. The exception is obviously chapter 93, but we can hardly take that as an indicator for something Yukio would do in a healthy state. Anyways, for Rin, he needs someone strong in a different way. Not mentally or emotionally strong like Sheimi is for Yukio, but a more aggressive, fiery strength. Rin has a very good mental state. He's an optimist, after all. As a result, HE is that emotional stronghold for IZUMO, and she's forceful with him in a way that causes him to question himself, make him push towards being a mature person. Izumo forces herself to be treated as a self, where I feel Rin is too much of a protector or a dominant personality in his relationship with Sheimi. Like knocking her head and saying "Silly!" feels too condescending, or something...I don't know, but it's not exactly super cute to me, you know? That's something Yukio wouldn't do and Izumo wouldn't take.

Of course, Sheimi wouldn't be where she is today without Rin. Without Rin, she would never have been forced to face her weaknesses. She was pulled into development because of him. But this doesn't make him a good partner for her; it makes him a good person to be in her life. And he'll stay in her life; it's not like he's just going to disappear if she goes with Yukio. He'll still have a good relationship with her, still pushing her to be a better person. But as a friend. Yukio is more fit to be a lover, someone to share a cup of tea with in the mornings and evenings. Someone to discuss herbs and medicine with. Someone to marvel at her strengths and give advice about her weaknesses. Someone willing to listen without judgement and without immediate action, if need be, and to share fond memories with. Those are things Yukio can provide for Sheimi. As for Yukio, Sheimi is his peace. He sees a mother in her, a sibling, a friend, a student and an equal. She's also the only person who can be forceful with him, and he'll listen.

Rin is better balanced with Izumo, who treats him like an equal, like someone who is capable, and she really understands him. She treats him normally, something he's not used to: he's always been a "special" case, after all. I think she forces him to be an adult, where he can feel more like a kid around Sheimi.

Anyways, I feel like Yukio and Sheimi have real potential for being husband and wife, where Rin and Sheimi feels more like a boyfriend and girlfriend. That's really the best way I can put it.

Don't get me wrong; I'm still a Yukishura fan. But more in a "oh my god I want to see them interact" way and less of a "I can see them getting married and having a family" way, you know?

AaaaaahhhHHHHHGHHHHHHH maybe I'll jump officially on the YukiShi bandwagon, riding right alongside my YukiShura bandwagon. I'm still not on the Rizumo wagon, since I'm not super convinced still, but maybe one day...maybe one day.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on August 25, 2017, 05:21:54 AM
You're welcome on board, at any time.  ;D

See, I feel like the arguments against yukishi are all based on Yukio's mental health. But it's not fair to Yukio; he's not his mental illness. He's not his problems. He's not his insanity. Those are things that are happening right now. They don't define Yukio's character, they define his present state. Sheimi, too; she's still growing, and so is Yukio. While Rin and Sheimi have a good, honest relationship, it feels...young and childish. Friendly, and on the surface. Extremely supportive.Very much like a very good first relationship, but not one that can be taken to the end. But Yukio and Sheimi have sparks, you know?
A lot of times I thought Yukio should have confessed to Shiemi. But the fact he doesn't, shows in a way how much he cares. If he fears being rejected, or he fears that she will come to hate him one day, or he fears he won't be able to make her happy, that's all because he cares. He seems to be thinking about her a lot, even though he doesn't act on his feelings.

On Rin's side, I never understood why he wanted to flirt with Shiemi while she was clearly not ready for this. The only reason I can think of is if he just didn't understand because he was blinded by love, but then it just comes down looking like he didn't care that much. His crush also seemed pretty superficial especially in the beginning since he hadn't known her for very long.

Then you can just imagine what Yukio thought of what Rin was doing.

I can't help but feel like Yukio also treats Sheimi like more of an equal than Rin does.
I feel Rin is too much of a protector or a dominant personality in his relationship with Sheimi.
I know what you mean.

And that's the very reason why Shiemi turned down Rin's confession.

Though I'm not sure of how equal Yukio and Shiemi's relationship is. He's way ahead of her in life, at least career wise.

Like knocking her head and saying "Silly!" feels too condescending, or something...I don't know, but it's not exactly super cute to me, you know? That's something Yukio wouldn't do and Izumo wouldn't take.
I wouldn't say Izumo wouldn't take it, but she would take it differently. On this, Izumo is more like Ryuuji and Rin; they take it but then throw the ball right back at the other. While Shiemi, still on this matter, is more like Renzou; they just take it, they're more passive.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Cherub on August 25, 2017, 11:43:08 AM
hElp mE I'm becoming a harder and harder YukiShi fan. Every day I secretly fall deeper and deeper into this ship. Not even I am aware of the progress. All I know is that one day I was scrolling through the yukishi tag on tumblr and...and I was enjoying it. I don't even remember how I got there. I used to be SO rinshi...what happened?

I also see the appeal of rizumo. And??? I've NEVER considered it before??? What's happening to me???

Haha, ikr!! Like for me it always starts off with having a crack ship but then they eventually spawn into something more plausible the more you dwell or see content on it IT GROWS!! I've never been completely solid about Yukio being with any character but I do see it happening at times: my first crack was Yukio x Shura even though Shura is like 11 years older, HA!! (I still enjoy this in my brain though), YukiShi (Because it's the most cute and reasonable) and then there's Toukio ... oh boy, I dunno how I landed myself this one!! Its come to the point where I want to see ANY interaction between the two occur in the manga (but that's a COMPLETLY different level of relationship, so much so that I'm not even gonna entertain the Idea in your presence).

I have yet to understand the Rin x Izumo ship but I reckon I'd start to get the gist of it if I browsed that tag on tumblr.

See, I feel like the arguments against yukishi are all based on Yukio's mental health. But it's not fair to Yukio; he's not his mental illness. He's not his problems. He's not his insanity. Those are things that are happening right now. They don't define Yukio's character, they define his present state.

I couldn't agree more, I always hear people say "oh yeah, I don't think it would work out well because he'd be abusive to her, etc, etc." When I honestly feel the exact opposite, his just not in the right state of mind. I also feel like this is how 85% of the fanfics present him as a character so maybe it stems from there idk.

What I like about their relationship is how they have the possibility to be close on either a romantic or platonic level and still have a good balance. I'm not gonna elaborate because you've literally just laid it down really well.

But yes, I'd picture them as the type to just have cute peaceful moments and drink tea and be nerds together. It's not that Rin and Shiemi wouldn't have a peaceful relationship, not at all, there's just something about the YukiShi personality combination that suits the idea so well.

Actually, a few days ago I read the Aomori outdoor bath scene again, I had a solid 5 minutes where I just sat there and stared at his face when Rin asked him if he liked Shiemi xD
That bod tho Yukio
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: BennieNC on August 26, 2017, 02:40:01 PM
So I couldn't think of a better place to post this (sorry :P ) I'm recently getting into reading Blue Exorcist fanfiction. Anyone have any good sites or suggestions?
My favorite ship is Angel/Shura and anything with the demon kings (favorite Lucifer)

Thank you!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kittykat on August 26, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
So I couldn't think of a better place to post this (sorry :P ) I'm recently getting into reading Blue Exorcist fanfiction. Anyone have any good sites or suggestions?
My favorite ship is Angel/Shura and anything with the demon kings (favorite Lucifer)

Thank you!

I would like to know some too. Yukio/Shura, their dynamic is kind of cute, even though she's almost twice his age. Yukio/Shiemi, Rin/Shiemi, Rin/Izumo. Ooc or not. If there are any recs.... most I've seen are Bon/Rin, Renzou/Rin, Rin/Yukio if there are any pairings period.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on August 26, 2017, 08:26:56 PM
I'm recently getting into reading Blue Exorcist fanfiction. Anyone have any good sites or suggestions?

We have a thread for people to post their Favorite Fanfics here (http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,8.0.html). I recommend checking those out first.

Most AoEx fanfics are posted on Archive of Our Own (http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Ao%20no%20Exorcist%20%7C%20Blue%20Exorcist/works) and Fanfiction.net (https://www.fanfiction.net/anime/Blue-Exorcist-青の祓魔師/). There are also fics posted on tumblr, but I'm afraid I don't know of any blog that aggregates them.

Also in our fanworks forum, some people post their fics in their threads. Tardar has a thread, I have one, etc.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 08, 2018, 08:29:26 PM
Rin x Shiemi
Yukio x Shura
Shima x Izumo
Suguro x Yoshikuni
Koneko x president of the Sutra club

I think it's fair enough.;)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 16, 2018, 09:09:32 PM
People...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 17, 2018, 08:49:56 AM
hElp mE I'm becoming a harder and harder YukiShi fan. Every day I secretly fall deeper and deeper into this ship. Not even I am aware of the progress. All I know is that one day I was scrolling through the yukishi tag on tumblr and...and I was enjoying it. I don't even remember how I got there. I used to be SO rinshi...what happened?

Hey, I've read your comment and I really appreciate your observations and opinions of that ship in general (I love people who are passionate about the things they loveXD), but what I'm trying to say is that I think YukiShi won't happen even in a milion years.

It is obvious that Yukio's love is one-sided and that Shiemi will never look at him in such a way. On the other hand, we notice that Shiemi builds different feelings towards Rin ("Why do I feel so nervous in Rin's presence?! This has never happened before..." (ch.83)) and she never thought of Yukio in that way.

I admit, that scene in her house when she thought; "OMG we are alone!" (ch.44), when she invited him to dance (ch.46) and that embrace recently (ch.93), woke in me some suspicion that she might have changed her mind, but after ch.73 called "Love Awakens," we can conclude that it is obviously about the love between Rin and Shiemi. This ship is canon seen from a thousand miles away and I can see Yukio as a tragic character (ironicaly, all the girls are literally crazy for him and he can't have that one single girl who doesn't feel anything for him besides friendship).

The best solution for all would be that Yukio finally reconciles with the fact and tries to find another girl, but here's the thing; Yukio did never build any strong relationships with any other girl besides Shiemi .... or ....

What about Shura?

They've known each other for about 10 years and had become really close reacently, Shura no longer teases him that much and Yukio is no longer irritated by her presence. On the contrary, he became tenderer since he learned of her past and tried to cheer her up by complimenting her hair (ch.80) (At that moment he proved that he really cared. It has been cutted for him after all and that's why this haircut will always be so special to him.).

He was inviting her to have fun with Exwires in his stead because he didn't know how to behave in society. When she appeared at the door dressed in a santa suit and everyone greeted her, Yukio wondered how did her marriage-hunting party go (ch. 89)(he was concerned about her activities and before he couldn't care less).

AND WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT; In these last chapters Suguro, Rin and Shiemi were injured by Yukio in a way (he directed a gun on both Suguro (ch.91) and Rin (ch.97) and he pushed Shiemi to the ground (ch.93)) and what did he do to Shura? Nothing! He couldn't look at her eyes because he knew that otherwise he would be an open book to her (she knows him that well).

As for Shura, we have nothing to discuss about, she likes him in her own silly way, that much is sure!XD What I wanted to say is that with Shiemi, he would always try to be stronger, better, more successful, and he would never get rid of that depression that hunts him day after day because he would always want to impress her, surprise her, color her world in pink. But in the end, everything would turn out to be just a simple lie.

Yukio knows that one day he'll grow tired of all this and that this relationship won't make any sense later. That's why he said the things he said to Rin back there at the open bath by some crazy granny (ch.74).

Sure, Shiemi would accept him just the way he is, there is no doubt, but I think she wouldn't mannage to cope with his depression and therefore things would never change. On the other hand, Shura would kick him out of the trance and distract him from all those thoughts (with or without bickeringXD). I even think he would feel much more relaxed with her company until the moment he's allowing her to change him for the best. We all noticed that Yukio has his own naughty and playful side (the beach scene ch.35 and Salaryman Exorcist ch.9), that's actually him and we could only notice it through Shura.

Ch.15 was the chapter in which we could see them in their most sincere edition; Shura caring and worrying about him and Yukio denying it but actually appreciating it very much. She already said (ch.15 & 76) she worries about Yukio the most. Yukio trusts her and can show his flaws and bad personality around her (ch.11, 15, 17, 35, 42, 46, 68 & 69). She was the one that told him to be honest with himself (ch.27) and then he followed her advice (ch.29 & 37). It was the vision of him in danger that made her react and free herself from Hachiro (ch.79). Mephisto probably put the twins up to help her because he knows about their bond (it wouldn't surprise me if he put her in their dorm for some other reason rather than being their protector). And both times Mephisto has treatened Shura, Yukio was around (ch.34 & 47).

The thing is, if Yukio and Shiemi were to end up together, everything would be so forced, as opposed to Shura, where the situation would be much more smoother. Of course, everyone has the right on their own opinion and I respect that, but I think the two of them would be perfect for each other! And what about the age gap? It doesn't matter, love is based on feelings and not numbers!

YukiShu rocks!^^
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: HorseTechie on February 22, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
Aww... good points, but I still think Yukio has it for Shiemi as a love interest.  I see it that Shura is more like family, like a big sister Yukio grew up with, and of course can't hide anything from. Same for Rin... he oogles Shiemi's boobs, but Shura absolutely grosses him out. ;p

I have noticed that the anime makes it seem like RinShi and YukShu, but it's different in the manga.  After looking back, it is curious now to wonder how it is that Shiro brought Yukio to meet with the supply shop keeper's daughter. And then in the time after that, they keep meeting, talking, arranging tutoring sessions. Yukio was really like her first friend, even thought she was too shy/awkward to think of it that way. But I doubt it was one-sided.. she just though Yukio was amazing for being so accomplished that she didn't see him as her equal. (She called him sensei at first)

All this, Rin was completely oblivious about by the time he comes with Yukio, and then meets Shiemi.  So in his mind, he thought she followed after him first. There is a truth to that, just from the way she thought of him the first day in class. She was more of an equal with him too, as an exwire. Rin was just beside himself for having someone like him, look up to him (apparently he doesn't have frinds as much either?)  ...but then got embarrassed by having her tag around with him instead of other girls (she felt bad about that and tried to remedy it).

So in the manga it becomes a subtle competition... all the nice things Shiemi inadvertently does for Rin builds his fondness for her. While Yukio still does what he does for Shiemi behind the scenes, and... Rin somehow notices something amiss by starting up awkwardly timed discussions about Yukio'so interest in Shiemi.

But Yukio bluntly avoids talking about it.  I do think he is internalizing his own jealously and distaste for Rin intervening with his relationship with Shiemi.  During the whale arc Yukio did at least voice his concern for Rin endangering Shiemi's safety.  It might gave sounded like the usual 'damsel in distress' plot (which we later realize Shiemi's way more tougher that first thought!), but I think that is not why.

Yukio made it more clear in Shura's snake arc that he does not want Shiemi to get involved, by telling Rin she wouldn't like him if she really knew him. However, Yukio got very defensive and 'ran' from Rin's question about him liking Shiemi.  Let's face it, Yukio was awkward during the whole discussion about Rin's thoughts about Shiemi!  There were other occasions before that too, even when Shura approached him before the festival dance about why he turned Shiemi down.

I don't think it's because he's crushing on Shura, it's because Yukio does like Shiemi, but he is afraid of it, for reasons.  It's the reasons I am curious about. 

The most obvious is that, yeah.. being related to the son of Satan is a tough heritage to carry.  The last thing he could want is to spawn more relations to Satan.  But no, really... I think Yukio does not want to 'hurt' Shiemi. She is innocent, seems untainted by dark things, and so through not admitting his infatuation with her, he'll keep that distance to protect her. Sadly, that now may mean having Rin take her... which is just as unnerving. Because Rin may do worse things to her what Yukio was trying to protect her from.

So in chapter 93, when Yukio was first to hug Shiemi, my heart broke.  He was looking for some kind of  peace of mind from her (like in the past), but all she does is talk about Rin. Grar!  So... after realizing in his Rin Hate he shoved Shiemi, Yukio flipped out and ran.

It's a painful love triangle between those three... I totally feel for Shiemi in having to chose between the twins.  (All thus I have been pondering for a fanfic I'm writing... and gah, it is hard to be RinShi when I think of it from Yukio's 'he stole her from me!' viewpoint)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on February 22, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Gotta agree with HorseTechie here. I always saw Yukio and Shura's relationship as a older sister/younger brother type, same goes for Rin. I don't tend to like ships that have big age gaps anyway. If Yukio were around Shura's age, then I could probably get behind it.

As for Rinshi and Yukishi, I honestly wouldn't mind who Shiemi chooses in the end. She has good chemistry and development with Rin, and has a sweet, but angsty relationship with Yukio, and I really like both of those dynamics.

I'm curious about one thing though. If Shiemi is indeed revealed to be a demon/part demon, how would that affect Yukio? Rin I would guess would view it as being yet another similarity that him and Shiemi share, which would bring them closer together. Yukio, however, absolutely rejects demons, as stated by Toudou in chapter 31. Would he reject Shiemi in the same way, or is his adoration for her strong enough to embolden him to try to "protect" Shiemi from her heritage? That's an angle I would definitely like to see explored. 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 22, 2018, 05:59:54 PM
Reading between the lines, we can conclude that he, indeed, said that he was crushing on her. He said: "I don't have a family or a single friend..." So what do we have left?! He practicaly confessed to her!!XD

But no, she had to say that they were friends and I think that was the moment in which he felt terribly broken. To make the things worse, she added Rin into the conversation and then he totally lost it. Yukio was like: "Rin, Rin, again Rin, why does he always have to be better than me?! Why can he get the things I've always wanted?! Why does he always have to ruin everything?! What makes him so special than me? He never did as much as I have done for you! Why why why?!?!?" And then he pushed her on the floor and the rest happened the way we already know...

I'm surprised that Shiemi didn't blush at that moment or gave us any sign such as her mental though: "OMG he's hugging me, he's hugging me, what should I do now?!" But no, she did exactly what a good friend would do, giving him her moral support. Yukio was never himself by her side and all he had done this past years was looking at her and thinking about how nice she is and she would just chatter on and on without noticing anything.

What I'm trying to say is that Shiemi's too blunt/too easy for him. He needs someone of his own rang, someone with whom he can relate. Shiemi and Rin are both cheerful characters, pairing Yukio and Shiemi would turn into catastrophe. We agree that Yukio likes Shiemi, but Shiemi doesn't like Yukio in the same way. She just admires him and thinks he's awesome but nothing more than that and we've had the chance to see it countless times. My bet is: 1.) or RinShi and YukiShu will happen 2.) or the guys will find another girls because I doubt that Shiemi will even allow herself to choose between TWO BROTHERS because it would be so uncomfortable, two-faced, dishonest and forced.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 22, 2018, 06:40:04 PM
AND WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT; In these last chapters Suguro, Rin and Shiemi were injured by Yukio in a way (he directed a gun on both Suguro (ch.91) and Rin (ch.97) and he pushed Shiemi to the ground (ch.93)) and what did he do to Shura? Nothing!

Yukio was more passive in that scene (http://fanfox.net/manga/ao_no_exorcist/v20/c095/29.html) because of the context. He was in prison, surrounded by high rank exorcists, including Shura, and he had nothing to gain form acting violent in any way.

Those times he pointed his gun at Ryuuji, Mephisto, or Rin, he thought he had some things to gain from it.

Has for that time with Shiemi, he did get mad, he probably think it was a mistake to get mad like that, but, without excusing it, there is a reason why he got mad. Shiemi had good intentions but, as he finally decides to talk to her about the things that were worrying him, she didn't listen to his worries at all and instead she turned the conversation to her and Rin's worries and how they were caused by him, which was only adding more on Yukio's shoulders. Besides, mentioning Rin alone was a bad idea, as he was currently in a fight with him, which Shiemi already knew and could have guessed anyway since Yukio didn't want to go home.

That's not what happened with Shura. She only questioned him about what he was doing and about his eye, while he kept completely silent.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: HorseTechie on February 23, 2018, 11:58:33 AM
I'm curious about one thing though. If Shiemi is indeed revealed to be a demon/part demon, how would that affect Yukio? Rin I would guess would view it as being yet another similarity that him and Shiemi share, which would bring them closer together. Yukio, however, absolutely rejects demons, as stated by Toudou in chapter 31. Would he reject Shiemi in the same way, or is his adoration for her strong enough to embolden him to try to "protect" Shiemi from her heritage? That's an angle I would definitely like to see explored.
Me too!  Though, Shiemi is more like a friendly demon (angel?) with beneficial powers.

When Yukio says he hates demons, how does he define 'demon' in his mind?  The dangerous ones that only want to destroy? Or ALL demon-kind, benign included?

Either way, seeing how the most recent effects play out will get very interesting in how it affects the relatonships between these three. 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on February 23, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
I'm gonna plug Rin x Shiemi a little bit.

Rin and Shiemi have actively helped each other move forward. The both make each other better and want to be better. They are each other's first friend. Rin also believes in Shiemi unconditionally. Even his concern over her decision to quit is more out of worry for her life. They're like a positive feedback loop of striving for more. The best part is, Rin and Shiemi do this unconsciously. They aren't aware that they gain any benefit from helping each other, but they do it anyways. That's why they're so sweet and compatible.

Yukio and Shiemi looked like that too, but it wasn't. Yukio helped Shiemi but Shiemi kept her distance because she was awestruck by him. Yukio accepted that was the way it was gonna be. Then he watched as Rin motivated and encouraged Shiemi to become a part of the world... something he wanted to do himself, but was evidently incapable. Shiemi clearly loved Rin even if she didn't admit it yet. The battle was lost.

I'm curious about one thing though. If Shiemi is indeed revealed to be a demon/part demon, how would that affect Yukio? Rin I would guess would view it as being yet another similarity that him and Shiemi share, which would bring them closer together. Yukio, however, absolutely rejects demons, as stated by Toudou in chapter 31. Would he reject Shiemi in the same way, or is his adoration for her strong enough to embolden him to try to "protect" Shiemi from her heritage? That's an angle I would definitely like to see explored.
Me too!  Though, Shiemi is more like a friendly demon (angel?) with beneficial powers.

When Yukio says he hates demons, how does he define 'demon' in his mind?  The dangerous ones that only want to destroy? Or ALL demon-kind, benign included?

Either way, seeing how the most recent effects play out will get very interesting in how it affects the relatonships between these three. 

Honestly, Yukio doesn't hate demons as much as he hates himself for being powerless to fight back. He was terrified of them and of becoming one. But his self-hatred for being weak proved stronger than that fear. So he is chasing the power of demons to make up for that weakness. Yukio has a moral compass, which is why he calls out Illuminati as rotten. But he's willing to push aside those considerations for his own gain. That's what makes him evil, and he knows it.

Shiemi is the only person Yukio held back against. Yes, he lashed out at her earlier, but I think that was a product of the disorder from not making a choice. It's like how he went from accepting Bon's explanation to pulling a gun on Bon within hours. The intensity of Yukio's actions was a direct result of him suppressing his internal discord to act like everything was normal.

I expect that Yukio will think that Shiemi is out of the conflict since he knows she quit cram school. Then he'll be thrown into chaos if she becomes an exorcist. No matter how much he actually commits to evil acts for the sake of his own power, he doesn't want to fight her. He lost control once with her and could not forgive himself.

(Man, I'm so stoked to see all this.)

I don't think it's because he's crushing on Shura, it's because Yukio does like Shiemi, but he is afraid of it, for reasons.  It's the reasons I am curious about. 

The most obvious is that, yeah.. being related to the son of Satan is a tough heritage to carry.  The last thing he could want is to spawn more relations to Satan.  But no, really... I think Yukio does not want to 'hurt' Shiemi. She is innocent, seems untainted by dark things, and so through not admitting his infatuation with her, he'll keep that distance to protect her. Sadly, that now may mean having Rin take her... which is just as unnerving. Because Rin may do worse things to her what Yukio was trying to protect her from.

(I do think that Yukio has an unrealized crush on Shura, but he's the type who would deny it.)

Yup, Yukio distanced himself from Shiemi to protect her from himself, but I think it was mostly to shield her from his internal discord and not so much because of Satan's heritage. Yukio has always known he has a lot of rage, fear, and envy. Yukio previously handled these issues by actively burying and suppressing those feelings, checking himself with self-loathing to remind himself he was wrong. But he can't bury his emotions anymore. They're out of control and his self-hatred is the most it's ever been. He firmly believes he is defective and evil. Now, more than ever, he believes he has to be away from Shiemi or he'll hurt her again.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 23, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Rin and Shiemi have actively helped each other move forward. The both make each other better and want to be better. They are each other's first friend. Rin also believes in Shiemi unconditionally. Even his concern over her decision to quit is more out of worry for her life. They're like a positive feedback loop of striving for more. The best part is, Rin and Shiemi do this unconsciously. They aren't aware that they gain any benefit from helping each other, but they do it anyways. That's why they're so sweet and compatible.
That's true. But at the same time, Rin and Shiemi have both been very self centered. They're often considering what they want and how they feel way before they consider anyone else. It's true they're both naturally good people. They try to help others without thinking because they feel it's the good thing to do. But not because they think it's the good thing to do. Which means sometimes they fail to see what's best for everyone. They would gain from being more thoughtful and less emotional. For example, how Rin was naively flirting with Shiemi without realizing she was friendzoning him or realizing Yukio also likes her; or how he promised that mom he would save her kid without thinking about the consequences if he doesn't succeed; or how he wants to be a good friend by fully trusting Renzou while he doesn't deserve it; ... Or how Shiemi was regretful and felt she had to stay in the garden to atone for what happened to her grandmother without realizing that was not what was best for her and that was not what her grandmother would have wished; or how, after Rin went berserk, she felt ashamed for not noticing and not being reliable enough to be told about Rin and Yukio's situation, she didn't think how her reaction might have seemed to Rin at that time, all that mattered for her was how she felt and how to deal with that; or how she didn't listen to or tried to understand Yukio's feeling of alienation and instead expressed how she felt about him...

Yukio and Shiemi looked like that too, but it wasn't. Yukio helped Shiemi but Shiemi kept her distance because she was awestruck by him. Yukio accepted that was the way it was gonna be. Then he watched as Rin motivated and encouraged Shiemi to become a part of the world... something he wanted to do himself, but was evidently incapable. Shiemi clearly loved Rin even if she didn't admit it yet. The battle was lost.
Shiemi was awestruck and felt left behind not only by Yukio but by Rin and the others as well. She said so herself many times.

The problem with Yukio is not how Shiemi is awestruck or feels left behind, but how he doesn't want to hurt her.

I think there's still hope for Shiemi and Yukio. I'm looking forward to how their relationship will evolve. It's not like there's no room for evolution. I think there's plenty.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on February 23, 2018, 11:45:37 PM
I dunno. Yukio's in the Illuminati now, and considering what happened between him and Shiemi before he left, I have no clue how else they can grow past friendship outside of Yukio (and perhaps Shiemi) apologizing for his outburst.

I honestly do think that Rin and Shiemi are set in stone for one another. Nothing else would make sense to me, considering how far along the manga is now. They have feelings for each other (imo) and Shiemi made it clear that she saw Yukio as a friend. Before, she clearly had a crush on him, so much so that Oblivious Rin saw it too, but now? She may say out of her mouth that she sees Rin as a friend too, but her actions, to me, proves otherwise. And Rin has had feelings for Shiemi since they met.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 24, 2018, 12:45:10 AM
I dunno. Yukio's in the Illuminati now, and considering what happened between him and Shiemi before he left, I have no clue how else they can grow past friendship outside of Yukio (and perhaps Shiemi) apologizing for his outburst.
Maybe Yukio won't be in the Illuminati forever.

One of the first anime I've seen in my life is Mobile Suit Gundam Seed, and in that anime being on opposite sides of a war didn't stop any relationship. That anime had people changing sides willfully or forcefully. It also had people getting into relationships, breaking up, and getting into new relationships. It definitely influenced how I see shipping in other series.

Also, Yukio may find the chance to formally apologize later, but it was obvious enough how sorry he was from his expression, his trembling hands, and the way he abruptly stopped and ran away.

I honestly do think that Rin and Shiemi are set in stone for one another. Nothing else would make sense to me, considering how far along the manga is now. They have feelings for each other (imo) and Shiemi made it clear that she saw Yukio as a friend. Before, she clearly had a crush on him, so much so that Oblivious Rin saw it too, but now? She may say out of her mouth that she sees Rin as a friend too, but her actions, to me, proves otherwise. And Rin has had feelings for Shiemi since they met.
As far as I can tell, both Rin and Yukio love Shiemi. As for Shiemi, since the beginning and until recently, she saw both Rin and Yukio as her friends. Recently she seems to be falling for Rin, but she rejected him because she doesn't feel ready and needs to sort out her feelings.

At the beginning of the manga, just like Rin, I was sure she had a crush on Yukio, but it seems we were both wrong. When Rin asked Shiemi if she was in love with Yukio, she said no. In the chapter where Rin confessed to Shiemi.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kittykat on February 24, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
I dunno. Yukio's in the Illuminati now, and considering what happened between him and Shiemi before he left, I have no clue how else they can grow past friendship outside of Yukio (and perhaps Shiemi) apologizing for his outburst.
Maybe Yukio won't be in the Illuminati forever.

One of the first anime I've seen in my life is Mobile Suit Gundam Seed, and in that anime being on opposite sides of a war didn't stop any relationship. That anime had people changing sides willfully or forcefully. It also had people getting into relationships, breaking up, and getting into new relationships. It definitely influenced how I see shipping in other series.

Also, Yukio may find the chance to formally apologize later, but it was obvious enough how sorry he was from his expression, his trembling hands, and the way he abruptly stopped and ran away.


Thank you. Someone else looked more into the expressions than take the dialogue at face value. Someone said that they didn’t understand why I took it that he was regretful of his actions, and I was perplexed because it was obvious in his expressions.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 24, 2018, 10:43:04 AM
Yukio never really made any effort for Shiemi to notice him, but Rin did. And so I think Rin is rightfully deserving her. If Yukio was so crazy for Shiemi, I'm sure he would have told Rin much earlier and made a point so that Rin couldn't flirt with her or something.

(I do think that Yukio has an unrealized crush on Shura, but he's the type who would deny it.)
I agee!
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 24, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
Thank you. Someone else looked more into the expressions than take the dialogue at face value. Someone said that they didn’t understand why I took it that he was regretful of his actions, and I was perplexed because it was obvious in his expressions.
And, unlike Shiemi, we know he tried to kill himself.

Yukio never really made any effort for Shiemi to notice him, but Rin did. And so I think Rin is rightfully deserving her. If Yukio was so crazy for Shiemi, I'm sure he would have told Rin much earlier and made a point so that Rin couldn't flirt with her or something.
The only one Shiemi deserves is the one she chooses. Or I should say love is not about what you deserve, but what you chose.

Also even if Yukio said from the start he loved Shiemi and actively tried to win her heart, I don't think that would give him exclusive rights on her. The only thing that could prevent someone from flirting with someone else in my opinion, is if the person you are flirting with rejects you.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on February 24, 2018, 05:25:46 PM
I'm gonna plug Rin x Shiemi a little bit.

Rin and Shiemi have actively helped each other move forward. The both make each other better and want to be better. They are each other's first friend. Rin also believes in Shiemi unconditionally. Even his concern over her decision to quit is more out of worry for her life. They're like a positive feedback loop of striving for more. The best part is, Rin and Shiemi do this unconsciously. They aren't aware that they gain any benefit from helping each other, but they do it anyways. That's why they're so sweet and compatible.

Yukio and Shiemi looked like that too, but it wasn't. Yukio helped Shiemi but Shiemi kept her distance because she was awestruck by him. Yukio accepted that was the way it was gonna be. Then he watched as Rin motivated and encouraged Shiemi to become a part of the world... something he wanted to do himself, but was evidently incapable. Shiemi clearly loved Rin even if she didn't admit it yet. The battle was lost.

I'm curious about one thing though. If Shiemi is indeed revealed to be a demon/part demon, how would that affect Yukio? Rin I would guess would view it as being yet another similarity that him and Shiemi share, which would bring them closer together. Yukio, however, absolutely rejects demons, as stated by Toudou in chapter 31. Would he reject Shiemi in the same way, or is his adoration for her strong enough to embolden him to try to "protect" Shiemi from her heritage? That's an angle I would definitely like to see explored.
Me too!  Though, Shiemi is more like a friendly demon (angel?) with beneficial powers.

When Yukio says he hates demons, how does he define 'demon' in his mind?  The dangerous ones that only want to destroy? Or ALL demon-kind, benign included?

Either way, seeing how the most recent effects play out will get very interesting in how it affects the relatonships between these three. 

Honestly, Yukio doesn't hate demons as much as he hates himself for being powerless to fight back. He was terrified of them and of becoming one. But his self-hatred for being weak proved stronger than that fear. So he is chasing the power of demons to make up for that weakness. Yukio has a moral compass, which is why he calls out Illuminati as rotten. But he's willing to push aside those considerations for his own gain. That's what makes him evil, and he knows it.

Shiemi is the only person Yukio held back against. Yes, he lashed out at her earlier, but I think that was a product of the disorder from not making a choice. It's like how he went from accepting Bon's explanation to pulling a gun on Bon within hours. The intensity of Yukio's actions was a direct result of him suppressing his internal discord to act like everything was normal.

I expect that Yukio will think that Shiemi is out of the conflict since he knows she quit cram school. Then he'll be thrown into chaos if she becomes an exorcist. No matter how much he actually commits to evil acts for the sake of his own power, he doesn't want to fight her. He lost control once with her and could not forgive himself.

(Man, I'm so stoked to see all this.)


With how Yukio's luck has been going, I wouldn't be surprised if Shiemi is not only dragged back into the conflict, but is actually one of main sources of conflict. I think the Illuminati aren't ignorant about her power, and if her mother is indeed the traitor, I suspect the Illuminati have plans for Shiemi which would put Yukio in a dilemma. Help the Illuminati and keep Shiemi from escaping them? Or help Shiemi, the person whose always been kind to him?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 24, 2018, 10:30:03 PM
^That sounds interesting. But wouldn't it look a little too much like what happened with Izumo and Renzou? Storywise, it's doable but not great to repeat the same storyline.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on February 25, 2018, 01:24:36 AM
^That sounds interesting. But wouldn't it look a little too much like what happened with Izumo and Renzou? Storywise, it's doable but not great to repeat the same storyline.

Well, I was thinking it could go along the lines like this so it's not too similar to Renzou's and Izumo's arc. Shiemi isn't kept as a prisoner or experiment, perhaps her father/some other relative works for the Illuminati, and if her mother is arrested for treason, the Order would want to arrest her too. With her safety at stake and her mother no longer able to take care of her, the Illuminati take her in. Something along the lines of that. I think that could be an interesting angle to work with with her and Yukio without it being too similar to the Illuminati arc.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on February 25, 2018, 05:33:29 AM
^I think these two ships won't be similar due to the major difference :

Yukio knows Shiemi and is close to her for some time (much earlier than he has any connection to the Illuminati), while Renzou joins the Illuminati much earlier than he knows Izumo. The consequence is, there is no point for the Illuminati to assign Yukio mission regarding Shiemi because everyone knows their relationship and won't expect he'll do it. They might even hide this kind of mission from Yukio. And if Yukio finds Shiemi is in trouble he will definitely help her, without any meaningful dilemma, as Yukio made his position pretty clear at the end of chapter 97 that he isn't loyal to and doesn't wants to help Illuminati.

(Unless the infamous hidden birth secret and the method to control Yukio's power relate to something about Shiemi)

So in the manga it becomes a subtle competition...

...

It's a painful love triangle between those three... I totally feel for Shiemi in having to chose between the twins.
She doesn't have to. And it seems weird to say there is any "competition" or "love triangle" when only one of the three (I mean Rin) was actively pursuing love interest

"I don't have a family or a single friend..." So what do we have left?! He practicaly confessed to her!!
Oops, I didn’t think about that. I think that’s right. Though Shiemi certainly didn't perceive this message.

it is hard to be RinShi when I think of it from Yukio's 'he stole her from me!' viewpoint
Yukio was like: "Rin, Rin, again Rin, why does he always have to be better than me?! Why can he get the things I've always wanted?! Why does he always have to ruin everything?! What makes him so special than me? He never did as much as I have done for you!
I have to disagree here. It's not like Yukio thinks he should be the better one or Rin shouldn't be too special or isn't deserved something. It's quite the opposite. Yukio (incorrectly) thinks Rin is indeed a better person and is so special that Shiemi will inevitably loves Rin. Yukio also thinks Rin has done more than himself has done for her (which I think is incorrect either). I also think Yukio has never interpreted it as "Rin stole her from me!". I'll analyze below

I'm surprised that Shiemi didn't blush at that moment or gave us any sign such as her mental though: "OMG he's hugging me, he's hugging me, what should I do now?!" But no, she did exactly what a good friend would do, giving him her moral support.
Shiemi never knows that behavior is also a sign of possible love interest since it seems like she isn't even aware Yukio likes her. She probably thinks it means Yukio is in serious trouble.

And I don't really count her response as some support (as chino already explained earlier), although she said that because she is concerned about Yukio

I don't think it's because he's crushing on Shura, it's because Yukio does like Shiemi, but he is afraid of it, for reasons.  It's the reasons I am curious about. 

The most obvious is that, yeah.. being related to the son of Satan is a tough heritage to carry.  The last thing he could want is to spawn more relations to Satan.  But no, really... I think Yukio does not want to 'hurt' Shiemi. She is innocent, seems untainted by dark things, and so through not admitting his infatuation with her, he'll keep that distance to protect her. Sadly, that now may mean having Rin take her... which is just as unnerving. Because Rin may do worse things to her what Yukio was trying to protect her from.

(I do think that Yukio has an unrealized crush on Shura, but he's the type who would deny it.)

Yup, Yukio distanced himself from Shiemi to protect her from himself, but I think it was mostly to shield her from his internal discord and not so much because of Satan's heritage. Yukio has always known he has a lot of rage, fear, and envy.
Although I also think that's probably Yukio's state now, I don't think he's always like that before volume 20 when he often goes to tutoring her. The reason why Yukio never takes action (and even refused her invitation to the party) is somewhat revealed in chapter 74. Let me rephrase my analysis (http://www.theblueknight.host-ed.me/forum/index.php/topic,151.msg31624.html#msg31624) here :

Yukio gave up as soon as he knew Shiemi. He thinks "She won't like me anymore once she knows the real me". It directly links to his "the one I really hate is myself!" . Therefore, he thought "It's impossible for us to have something because she (and anyone) would hate the real me", long before Rin knew Shiemi.

After Rin and Shiemi became familiar. Yukio (incorrectly) thought Shiemi loves Rin. However, he was not jealous and he never thought Shiemi was "stolen", despite Yukio does love her. It's because Yukio always considered it's not possible for him to have any romance with Shiemi (or any other girl), so when Shiemi becomes Rin's girlfriend in Yukio's imagination, Yukio was like "fine, that's inevitable. I knew it". For example here (https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/ao-no-exorcist/46/17.jpg), although it's actually a good news for him that Shiemi is not going to the party with Rin, Yukio was just confused and didn't think he has any chance. Six volumes later Rin told him about the confession, but Yukio didn't have any special emotion, he was just curious (https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/ao-no-exorcist/74/20.jpg) whether they are formally together.

Yukio never really made any effort for Shiemi to notice him, but Rin did. And so I think Rin is rightfully deserving her. If Yukio was so crazy for Shiemi, I'm sure he would have told Rin much earlier and made a point so that Rin couldn't flirt with her or something.
Well, he does love Shiemi. He didn't take any action as I explained above. Just don't directly assume every man(and he's actually a boy) has the same kind of attitude(even not a very healthy one) to the person he loves

If Shiemi is indeed revealed to be a demon/part demon, how would that affect Yukio? Rin I would guess would view it as being yet another similarity that him and Shiemi share, which would bring them closer together. Yukio, however, absolutely rejects demons, as stated by Toudou in chapter 31. Would he reject Shiemi in the same way, or is his adoration for her strong enough to embolden him to try to "protect" Shiemi from her heritage? That's an angle I would definitely like to see explored.
Me too!  Though, Shiemi is more like a friendly demon (angel?) with beneficial powers.

When Yukio says he hates demons, how does he define 'demon' in his mind?  The dangerous ones that only want to destroy? Or ALL demon-kind, benign included?
Isn't the so-called "Yukio hates demon" anime-only ? As far as I see, manga Yukio doesn't have any special attitude toward demons, comparing to other exorcists. If I would name someone who has a more different attitude toward the human/demon discrimination, I feel it's Rin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 25, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 25, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
^You can say all those things, and even "I love you", to a family member or a friend.
(A romantic relationship happens when you tell someone you want to share your life with them)

I agree Shura seems to have some sort of a crush on Yukio. But Yukio seems to sincerely see her as a colleague and a childhood friend.

I still admit things can always change.

I'm surprised that Shiemi didn't blush at that moment or gave us any sign such as her mental though: "OMG he's hugging me, he's hugging me, what should I do now?!" But no, she did exactly what a good friend would do, giving him her moral support.
Shiemi never knows that behavior is also a sign of possible love interest since it seems like she isn't even aware Yukio likes her. She probably thinks it means Yukio is in serious trouble.

And I don't really count her response as some support (as chino already explained earlier), although she said that because she is concerned about Yukio
She failed at supporting him, but she at least tried. The things she said and did before turning the conversation around were all great support. She only botched the final.

it seems weird to say there is any "competition" or "love triangle" when only one of the three (I mean Rin) was actively pursuing love interest
Rin thought Shiemi liked Yukio, while Yukio thought Shiemi liked Rin. Even if they were wrong, they both thought the other had what they wanted, that's what makes people compete with each other.
Plus, regardless whether they are actively pursuing or not or whether they are aware of the others feelings or not, the fact remains that both Rin and Yukio love Shiemi, which inevitably makes this a love triangle.

"I don't have a family or a single friend..." So what do we have left?! He practicaly confessed to her!!
Oops, I didn’t think about that. I think that’s right. Though Shiemi certainly didn't perceive this message.
I don't think Yukio meant this when he said that. Yukio wasn't confessing his love to Shiemi, he was confessing how he destroyed his life and can't put the pieces back together.

It's not like Yukio thinks he should be the better one or Rin shouldn't be too special or isn't deserved something. It's quite the opposite. Yukio (incorrectly) thinks Rin is indeed a better person and is so special that Shiemi will inevitably loves Rin. Yukio also thinks Rin has done more than himself has done for her (which I think is incorrect either). I also think Yukio has never interpreted it as "Rin stole her from me!". I'll analyze below
After Rin and Shiemi became familiar. Yukio (incorrectly) thought Shiemi loves Rin. However, he was not jealous and he never thought Shiemi was "stolen", despite Yukio does love her. It's because Yukio always considered it's not possible for him to have any romance with Shiemi (or any other girl), so when Shiemi becomes Rin's girlfriend in Yukio's imagination, Yukio was like "fine, that's inevitable. I knew it". For example here (https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/ao-no-exorcist/46/17.jpg), although it's actually a good news for him that Shiemi is not going to the party with Rin, Yukio was just confused and didn't think he has any chance. Six volumes later Rin told him about the confession, but Yukio didn't have any special emotion, he was just curious (https://cdn.mangahub.io/file/imghub/ao-no-exorcist/74/20.jpg) whether they are formally together.
Yukio is jealous of Rin. When he spoke with Toudou near the end of the Kyoto arc, there was that scene where he was remembering all the things Rin was or had that he thought where better than what he was or had, and he was wondering why he can't be like that or have those things. That's what I would call jealousy. And there's also that time at the end of the Giant Whale arc (or was it somewhere else?) when Rin said he's going to surpass Yukio, and Yukio thinks "that's my line". There are plenty of other example, but to me it's clear Yukio wants to become a better person, and he wishes he was the kind of person who can be a good brother, a good friend, a good love partner or husband, but he doesn't think he can, at least right now.

Isn't the so-called "Yukio hates demon" anime-only ? As far as I see, manga Yukio doesn't have any special attitude toward demons, comparing to other exorcists.
I agree, Manga Yukio doesn't seem to hate demons. Like all the other characters, he simply seems to be wary of them to an extant. Kind of like any humans would be in real life towards wild animals. Their strength and lethal abilities are on another level, and they act outside of the law. It only makes sense to be wary.

If I would name someone who has a more different attitude toward the human/demon discrimination, I feel it's Rin.
I think it might seems so because Rin obsesses over it sometimes. But in the end he really doesn't act much differently than the others. The only time it really showed was when he was hesitating whether the zombies where humans or demons. Which really should have been a no brainer.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 25, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
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OMG he's so jelly!XD Poor Yukio, he definitely needs to chill for a bit...

Now that I look better, doesn't it seem like Yukio imagines himself shooting Rin in his thoughts. Isn't it creppy?! This means that Yukio was thinking about shooting Rin for a long time ago and not just in Aomori arc and ch.97 *gasp*!

Deam Yukio why do you have to be such a freakishly possessive guy?! (lol yandere Yukio)XD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 25, 2018, 08:04:46 PM
^Are you forgetting he also pointed his gun at him in chapter 2?
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 25, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
^Yea that's true but he didn't have enough guts back there-_- jeez Yukio needs some help...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 25, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
^Well, I would say "conviction" instead of "guts". He wasn't sure what was the right thing to do. And "when in doubt, it is best to refrain".

Though shooting him would have lead to nothing but bad things. Knowing that wouldn't have killed him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 25, 2018, 08:46:00 PM
^Yukio had always known that the hatred he felt towards Rin would never be suitable for their relationship.

Yukio is very torn apart about whether he wants to be a brother to him or something else (professor, protector he promised to Shiro, a rival in love and an enemy as an exorcist to a demon). It's easier for Rin cuz he'll always remain his brother.

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Yukio doesn't even know what to feel about Rin at all and therefore their relationship is very sad. I want Kato to make a happy ending or I'm going to fall in tears.-_-
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on February 26, 2018, 02:48:38 AM
I agree Shura seems to have some sort of a crush on Yukio. But Yukio seems to sincerely see her as a colleague and a childhood friend.

Interesting. I saw it as the opposite, that Yukio has a unrealized crush on her that he ignores (complimenting her hair, this hilarious moment from the Whale arc (http://mangalife.us/read-online/Ao-No-Exorcist-chapter-35-page-21.html), the roundabout way of asking if she was going on a date on Christmas Eve) while Shura sees him and Rin as like the younger brothers she never had.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: HorseTechie on February 26, 2018, 05:01:31 AM
@tandem (I apologize, too many quote boxes to sort out!)

Yes, you made good points with your reasons for how Yukio perceives his relationship with Shiemi. (I will add I can not see the links in the original post from Kato and Mephisto, all those older links are broken now, or my phone hates Manga fox ).

It just seems in those instances in the manga when Yukio is reflecting back on his younger days with Shiemi, it seems to have the air of resentment. Regret. Sure, he has given up on her as a possible love interest now. But I see this that Yukio HAD developed a fondness for Shiemi, but then soon hated himself for liking her. Because it is like he didn't want to have someone close to worry about, or to be worrying about him.  He rather be alone, than to go through the weakening feels of love... and losing love.  So he protects her from him by keeping the distance like that.

The only thing that is hard to tell for certain is how Yukio feels about Rin falling for Shiemi. On the outside, he seems 'okay', but... I'm sure if Yukio doesnt want to be that close to her, having her around because of Rin keeping her close doesn't help. It reminds him of too much that he could not have control over.  The love (friendship?) triangle is not a perfect one by usual definition.  She likes them both as a friend (since Shiemi is not yet sure about loving Rin). Rin wants to love her, while Yukio wants to cut off all romantic/intimate platonic relations from her because that level of commitment scares/bothers him.  And of course, having Satan talk about her, that wasn't going to happen either!  (Seems to not have any opinion on Animamon's attention with Shiemi though... )
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 26, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
(https://image.ibb.co/kRvPAx/Screenshot_2018_02_26_08_34_59_1.png)

Yea and that's the way an older sister thinks about her younger brother, sure...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on February 26, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
That's not what happened with Shura. She only questioned him about what he was doing and about his eye, while he kept completely silent.
I think that's also because Shura is much better at dealing with people, especially with Yukio (happened several times). While Rin/Shiemi/Bon each has their flaw on communication (also happened several times)

I'm surprised that Shiemi didn't blush at that moment or gave us any sign such as her mental though: "OMG he's hugging me, he's hugging me, what should I do now?!" But no, she did exactly what a good friend would do, giving him her moral support.
Shiemi never knows that behavior is also a sign of possible love interest since it seems like she isn't even aware Yukio likes her. She probably thinks it means Yukio is in serious trouble.

And I don't really count her response as some support (as chino already explained earlier), although she said that because she is concerned about Yukio
She failed at supporting him, but she at least tried. The things she said and did before turning the conversation around were all great support. She only botched the final.
Yes I meant the final ones. Before that, she was like how she has succeeded two years ago.

After reviewing chapter 93 I just realized, she probably isn't quite sure whether Yukio felt better after the conversation two years ago. So she thinks she might fail last time, but not this time. Unfortunately it's actually the opposite.

it seems weird to say there is any "competition" or "love triangle" when only one of the three (I mean Rin) was actively pursuing love interest
Rin thought Shiemi liked Yukio, while Yukio thought Shiemi liked Rin. Even if they were wrong, they both thought the other had what they wanted, that's what makes people compete with each other.
Plus, regardless whether they are actively pursuing or not or whether they are aware of the others feelings or not, the fact remains that both Rin and Yukio love Shiemi, which inevitably makes this a love triangle.
Maybe it's a love triangle, but I wouldn't call it a competition because if you are competing, I suppose it means you work hard for it. But neither of them works hard to pursue love.

On the outside, he seems 'okay', but... I'm sure if Yukio doesnt want to be that close to her, having her around because of Rin keeping her close doesn't help.
Yukio is jealous of Rin. When he spoke with Toudou near the end of the Kyoto arc, there was that scene where he was remembering all the things Rin was or had that he thought where better than what he was or had, and he was wondering why he can't be like that or have those things. That's what I would call jealousy. And there's also that time at the end of the Giant Whale arc (or was it somewhere else?) when Rin said he's going to surpass Yukio, and Yukio thinks "that's my line". There are plenty of other example, but to me it's clear Yukio wants to become a better person, and he wishes he was the kind of person who can be a good brother, a good friend, a good love partner or husband, but he doesn't think he can, at least right now.
OK, that's a little complicated. When I say "he was not jealous" I just mean the Shiemi part, not including other parts. Yukio does envy Rin's personality (what you described as "a better person"), so he thinks he also wishes to surpass Rin. Even though Shiemi is included in those flashback as Kannra21 quoted, the major part was the little dog Shiro. I would say Yukio started to think about it long before he knew Shiemi. And although Yukio's complex thoughts about Rin was first revealed at IK arc, at that time we aren't even sure whether he loves Shiemi. My point is, "Yukio envies Rin's personality" and "Yukio cut off the possibility to have romantic with Shiemi" aren't really the same thing. If Shiemi doesn't exist, Yukio will still envy Rin for other events. If Rin doesn't exist, Yukio will still hesitate to start any relationship because he hates himself.

However, things changed a little in chapter 93. IMO it's the first time we see Yukio envying Rin's relationship with Shiemi. Though I think that's mostly subconscious. Consciously he thinks he's OK or even kind of push Rin and Shiemi together.

(I will add I can not see the links in the original post from Kato and Mephisto, all those older links are broken now, or my phone hates Manga fox ).
Mangafox is weird these days, so that's why I changed the links to mangapanda
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 26, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
(https://image.ibb.co/dLSrQx/2018_01_02_14_23_34_428.jpg)

If that wasn't obvious I don't know what is anymore:p
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 26, 2018, 07:43:24 PM
I agree Shura seems to have some sort of a crush on Yukio. But Yukio seems to sincerely see her as a colleague and a childhood friend.

Interesting. I saw it as the opposite, that Yukio has a unrealized crush on her that he ignores (complimenting her hair, this hilarious moment from the Whale arc (http://mangalife.us/read-online/Ao-No-Exorcist-chapter-35-page-21.html), the roundabout way of asking if she was going on a date on Christmas Eve) while Shura sees him and Rin as like the younger brothers she never had.
I don't remember well the scene about him complimenting her hair. The scene at the beach was hilarious, but I think he was able to do that exactly because he treats her indifferently and like a childhood friend; I don't think that's Yukio's style of flirting, that may be more like Renzou. After he asked if she had a date on christmas, and she said she was going to a gokon or a miai, IDR, he was like "Good luck. See ya"; that doesn't sound concerned...

I somewhat agree Shura sees Rin and Yukio as some sort of younger brothers, or rather I'd say she sees Yukio as a childhood friend, a colleague, and the son of Shirou, while she sees Rin as her student and the son of Shirou. But in the end, they are not blood related and the older they get, the less the age difference shows. The fact Yukio and Shura are friends (or some sort of family) is making it difficult to get romantic. It would be dramatic if she ended up falling completely for him.

(Seems to not have any opinion on Animamon's attention with Shiemi though... )
Not sure what you mean but, Yukio wasn't even there at the camp when Amaimon abducted Shiemi, and he wasn't there neither when in the school Amaimon called her his wife and attacked her when she tried to defend Rin. And recently, when he kicked her, Ryuuji and Izumo reacted before Yukio could do anything.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 26, 2018, 09:56:58 PM
^Here's the page of complimenting her hair:

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Yes, I have to admit that I agree with you! It's not in Yukio's style to confesses first but I think it's not in Shura's style to do so either... I don't know, I think it's going to happen very suddenly and abruptly.

They would be such a blushing mess!XD
Now when I think about it, we have never seen them blushing so hard (anime/manga), it would be really sweet aww!!^^<3

But this look somehow says to me that she admires him very much:

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+ I think that those pages even mirror each other:

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lol looks like Shura will just switch from Shiro to YukioXD

(Seems to not have any opinion on Animamon's attention with Shiemi though... )

Amaimon is sick and I hate him, but I have some kind of weird feeling that he might have something to do with my theory of Shiemi and The Garden of Amahara (arranged/forced marriage?). Everyone would be broken but I think that twins would be the most, especially Rin... -_-

If The Garden of Amahara were Amaimon's residence, does this mean that the place is not really sacred, but haunted?! Ooohhh many dark options are opening hehe! >:-)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on February 27, 2018, 12:07:55 AM
The scene at the beach was hilarious, but I think he was able to do that exactly because he treats her indifferently and like a childhood friend; I don't think that's Yukio's style of flirting, that may be more like Renzou.

I mean, I don't think Yukio was intending to flirt, but it struck me as hella weird that he did /that/ if he honestly just viewed her as a friend. XD

After he asked if she had a date on christmas, and she said she was going to a gokon or a miai, IDR, he was like "Good luck. See ya"; that doesn't sound concerned...

I'll admit that I'm probably reading too much into it. I found it interesting he specifically asked if she was going on a date at all. Like, why would his mind be there? I usually assume people busy on Christmas Eve have some event or something, not necessarily a date. But it could just be a usual snark from him about Shura's iffy love life.

As for Yukio not sounding concerned, he does that a lot. Hearing that he has no chance is no surprise and doesn't bother him because his self-esteem is that bad. Plus, if I'm right, he doesn't even recognize he has a crush on her, so it doesn't even occur to him to feel miffed that she's going to such an event. It's more of a "oh, good for you".

But in the end, they are not blood related and the older they get, the less the age difference shows. The fact Yukio and Shura are friends (or some sort of family) is making it difficult to get romantic. It would be dramatic if she ended up falling completely for him.

I guess that's why I really love kannra's premise of the two reuniting six years after the series and getting closer. Fixes the age difference problem and allows them to reset their relationship.

Yes, I have to admit that I agree with you! It's not in Yukio's style to confesses first but I think it's not in Shura's style to do so either... I don't know, I think it's going to happen very suddenly and abruptly.

They would be such a blushing mess!XD
Now when I think about it, we have never seen them blushing so hard (anime/manga), it would be really sweet aww!!^^<3

I imagine it'd be like this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMftTJwKt0&t=1m1s) from Star Trek DS9, which also features a fiery redhead and a stolid stick-in-the-mud.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 01:13:52 AM
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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 27, 2018, 01:45:50 AM
As for Yukio not sounding concerned, he does that a lot. Hearing that he has no chance is no surprise and doesn't bother him because his self-esteem is that bad.
True, he's good at sounding detached.

But, what are you referring to when you say "hearing that he has no chance"? Do you mean Shura telling him she has a date means he has no chance? I don't see why that would be the case.

She also said his detached attitude (when he said "good luck, bye") pissed her off. Doesn't that mean she wanted him to be concerned?

Plus, if I'm right, he doesn't even recognize he has a crush on her, so it doesn't even occur to him to feel miffed that she's going to such an event. It's more of a "oh, good for you".
I think he would know, if he had those kinds of feelings. But maybe I'm wrong.

I'll admit that I'm probably reading too much into it. I found it interesting he specifically asked if she was going on a date at all. Like, why would his mind be there? I usually assume people busy on Christmas Eve have some event or something, not necessarily a date. But it could just be a usual snark from him about Shura's iffy love life.
In Japan, celebrating christmas is a fairly recent thing. I think it started some time during the US occupation. But over there it's not a religious celebration, and they don't celebrate it with their families. It's just one more excuse for couples to offer each other gifts and go on dates. Asking someone if they have a date on christmas eve is as natural as asking them if they have a date on valentine's day. In recent years, Halloween is becoming popular too, but it's not for children and there are no trick or treat, it's again only used as an excuse for adults to dress up and go to parties. Amusement parks, aquarium, zoos, and even some public parks are also heavily viewed as couple areas; falimies and friends go too, but if, let's say, you're a guy and you plan to go with your female friend, you should invite other people as well if you don't want any misunderstandings.

I mean, I don't think Yukio was intending to flirt, but it struck me as hella weird that he did /that/ if he honestly just viewed her as a friend. XD

Oh... You think that? ... Well, I'll just ... go over there then ... and reflect on my life a little...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 11:15:14 AM
Here's the chapter and Shura's disappointment:

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I mean, nothing here is controversial; Shura goes to the marriage-hunting party to find her ideal future husband and Yukio will still go to celebrate with Exwiers and spend time with them after all. But what seemed to me that bothered Shura the most was Yukio's behavior. Obviously she expected some kind of different reaction from him, she pointed that out herself by saying 'Your attitude kinda bugs me.' Oddly, when people get a 'Good luck!' others reply with 'Thank you!' or 'I'll need it!', so why did she answer that way?! And what should he be? Jealous? Shura wants to make Yukio jealous?! Ooooo!!! But, as earthforge says, maybe I look too much into things. The more likely scenario would be that she also recognizes that something is wrong with Yukio when he smiles. Rin also noticed it:

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It was also strange to me when he mentioned the date. I mean, why would he, of all the events, mention that particular? It's totally not like him! We can notice that he is smiling and he seems to have proposed it only in a joke, but he looked very surprised when he got her approval.

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On the other hand, do you remember when Shura was listening to a conversation between Yukio and Shiemi? It may be that she appeared there quite accidentally, or she was just a regular stalker.:p

This page also reveals a lot:

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Shiemi is, again, thinking about Rin. And why is Shura suggesting that Yukio might have something hot on himself at all?! I don't know how you look at it, but to me they're behaving too suspiciously for friends/ colleagues/ family. But that's just my opinion, I can be wrong.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Khalumia on February 27, 2018, 12:51:56 PM
Shiemi is, again, thinking about Rin. And why is Shura suggesting that Yukio might have something hot on himself at all?! I don't know how you look at it, but to me they're behaving too suspiciously for friends/ colleagues/ family. But that's just my opinion, I can be wrong.

"What's so hot about you?" To me she's just asking what Shiemi finds attractive ("hot") about him. She's teasing him about Shiemi's potential interest in him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 01:37:56 PM
^Yes, that's true and I understand that (we all understood it in the way we have read it for the first time). But I still think that the way Shura is joking isn't innocent at all. Her jokes always had the deeper, more serious meaning of things. I don't think she would ever personally say to his face that he's hot (she would rather kill herself than say it out loud), so that's why she would hide behind her jokes. She reads lots of romance manga, I think she has a knack for those things.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on February 27, 2018, 02:10:35 PM
To clarify, I can see some YukiShura hints in chapter 35,77,79,80, but not below one :

what seemed to me that bothered Shura the most was Yukio's behavior. Obviously she expected some kind of different reaction from him, she pointed that out herself by saying 'Your attitude kinda bugs me.' Oddly, when people get a 'Good luck!' others reply with 'Thank you!' or 'I'll need it!', so why did she answer that way?! And what should he be?
She also said his detached attitude (when he said "good luck, bye") pissed her off. Doesn't that mean she wanted him to be concerned?
Not sure how it's like in other country ... but here most people think joining a marriage-hunting party means some kind of ... failure, especially for women. (Don't argue with me! I disagree that prejudice.) Anyway, few people willing to admit they have to go to a marriage-hunting party. This topic is a little sensitive.

Therefore, Shura's reaction is completely normal to me. Because if I were her, I'd expect some kind of response that is … not so plain. For example something like "Oh you don't have to go to one, I'm sure you are very popular and already have many opportunity!", even if it's a fake response. Yukio's response sounds like …"Oh, as expected. I knew it will happen someday." and hence rude. Though I think he was just too surprised, so he didn’t have time to come up with a perfect response.

It was also strange to me when he mentioned the date. I mean, why would he, of all the events, mention that particular? It's totally not like him! We can notice that he is smiling and he seems to have proposed it only in a joke, but he looked very surprised when he got her approval.
I'll admit that I'm probably reading too much into it. I found it interesting he specifically asked if she was going on a date at all. Like, why would his mind be there? I usually assume people busy on Christmas Eve have some event or something, not necessarily a date. But it could just be a usual snark from him about Shura's iffy love life.
In Japan, celebrating christmas is a fairly recent thing. I think it started some time during the US occupation. But over there it's not a religious celebration, and they don't celebrate it with their families. It's just one more excuse for couples to offer each other gifts and go on dates. Asking someone if they have a date on christmas eve is as natural as asking them if they have a date on valentine's day.
I'm actually a little shock that it seems like not in every culture people always assume you're going to a date on Christmas Eve. Here if you don't spend Christmas with someone, it means you don't have anyone to date with. Yukio's question is totally normal to me, and I think he was surprised not because Shura had a date, but because it was a marriage-hunting party.

In recent years, Halloween is becoming popular too, but it's not for children and there are no trick or treat, it's again only used as an excuse for adults to dress up and go to parties.
So nowadays people really play trick or treat in Western country?! I thought it's an exaggeration that only happened in ancient history...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
Not sure how it's like in other country ... but here most people think joining a marriage-hunting party means some kind of ... failure, especially for women. (Don't argue with me! I disagree that prejudice.) Anyway, few people willing to admit they have to go to a marriage-hunting party. This topic is a little sensitive.

Wow I didn't know that! Thank you for the explanation!^^
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on February 27, 2018, 02:46:55 PM

Not sure how it's like in other country ... but here most people think joining a marriage-hunting party means some kind of ... failure, especially for women. (Don't argue with me! I disagree that prejudice.) Anyway, few people willing to admit they have to go to a marriage-hunting party. This topic is a little sensitive.
I'll admit that I'm probably reading too much into it. I found it interesting he specifically asked if she was going on a date at all. Like, why would his mind be there? I usually assume people busy on Christmas Eve have some event or something, not necessarily a date. But it could just be a usual snark from him about Shura's iffy love life.
In Japan, celebrating christmas is a fairly recent thing. I think it started some time during the US occupation. But over there it's not a religious celebration, and they don't celebrate it with their families. It's just one more excuse for couples to offer each other gifts and go on dates. Asking someone if they have a date on christmas eve is as natural as asking them if they have a date on valentine's day.
I'm actually a little shock that it seems like not in every culture people always assume you're going to a date on Christmas Eve. Here if you don't spend Christmas with someone, it means you don't have anyone to date with. Yukio's question is totally normal to me, and I think he was surprised not because Shura had a date, but because it was a marriage-hunting party.

Huh. I didn't know any of this. TIL. Thanks!

I'm from the US. Here Christmas is generally considered a family holiday, even if you don't celebrate it in a religious or secular sense. I will let Skeletor explain it better (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVppuv9Pcqk).

But I am completely oblivious to romantic social norms, so maybe there's something I'm missing?

In recent years, Halloween is becoming popular too, but it's not for children and there are no trick or treat, it's again only used as an excuse for adults to dress up and go to parties.
So nowadays people really play trick or treat in Western country?! I thought it's an exaggeration that only happened in ancient history...

Haha, yep, people still do. Usually kids under the age of 13.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 04:13:00 PM
^In our country, as far as I know, Christmas is considered to be a family holiday only. If you ask me, any holiday can be considered a day when you can spend free time with your beloved person. After all, the word date in Yukio's bubble is bolded, which means that he suggested it in a more playful way. Maybe something similar to that beach scene? But I can understand what he's meaning by it. Shura doesn't have any particular friends or family, so it's perfectly normal to think of such things like dating. I feel sorry for her...-_-
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on February 27, 2018, 05:16:03 PM
why is Shura suggesting that Yukio might have something hot on himself at all?! I don't know how you look at it, but to me they're behaving too suspiciously for friends/ colleagues/ family. But that's just my opinion, I can be wrong.
"What's so hot about you?" To me she's just asking what Shiemi finds attractive ("hot") about him. She's teasing him about Shiemi's potential interest in him.
^Yes, that's true and I understand that (we all understood it in the way we have read it for the first time). But I still think that the way Shura is joking isn't innocent at all. Her jokes always had the deeper, more serious meaning of things. I don't think she would ever personally say to his face that he's hot (she would rather kill herself than say it out loud), so that's why she would hide behind her jokes. She reads lots of romance manga, I think she has a knack for those things.
As I remember it, she said "good", not "hot". She said "What's so good about you?".

I don't think she's hiding anything. I think it's the part of her that sincerely sees him as a childhood friend/younger brother. If she's ever going to fall for him, it will be when she starts seeing him as a potential love interest. I think it sometimes seems like she might be seeing him in that way momentarily, but then chases those thoughts away and goes back to her usual self. That's the most I would concede to this ship at the moment. Not that I don't like the ship. Only that when I look at it, that's all I really see.

Not sure how it's like in other country ... but here most people think joining a marriage-hunting party means some kind of ... failure, especially for women. (Don't argue with me! I disagree that prejudice.) Anyway, few people willing to admit they have to go to a marriage-hunting party. This topic is a little sensitive.
As far as I know, there are no such things as Marriage-Hunting Parties, Gokon, or Miai in the west. The closest thing would be Online Dating Sites. Which only goes to show how even more badly viewed these types of things are in the west. Most people won't tell they're going to an Online Dating Site. And if they're found out, they'll deny it, saying they made an account but never really used it.

Therefore, Shura's reaction is completely normal to me. Because if I were her, I'd expect some kind of response that is … not so plain. For example something like "Oh you don't have to go to one, I'm sure you are very popular and already have many opportunity!", even if it's a fake response.
That's what I meant when I said "concerned". But Yukio and Shura are male-and-female friends, they somewhat have to keep teasing each other to show how indifferent they are to avoid sending wrong signals to the other. If Yukio said things like "you don't need to go to one" or if he said to many compliments while trying to cheer her up, he could make her fall for him by accident. That's why he shouldn't look concerned. Even while knowing that, not being cheered up still annoyed Shura.

Yukio's response sounds like …"Oh, as expected. I knew it will happen someday." and hence rude. Though I think he was just too surprised, so he didn’t have time to come up with a perfect response.
On the contrary, when people are surprised and don't have time to think, they usually go for the generic answer instead of going for well crafted trolling.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on February 27, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
I don't know about you, but this is the first time I saw Yukio lose his shit cuz another person. His 'Die??' is shown with such a big letters and in such a large bubble that I simply couldn't help myself but wonder.XD

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On the other hand, I didn't know whether I would send this to 'Random stuff you noticed' or here because we're talking about the ship (please don't blame me if you mind that and I apologize in advance) but I noticed that both Yukio and Shura have the habit of putting their hands on their mouth when they're thinking (maybe other characters are doing it too so don't take my word).

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 01, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
If you ask me, any holiday can be considered a day when you can spend free time with your beloved person.
I'm afraid you don't get what I mean. Although you can spend time with your boyfriend/girlfriend everyday (and many people do), the problem is, here almost every couple spend their Christmas together. If you aren't with him/her on Christmas, people will doubt whether you two are really together. A little like Valentine's day. And nobody celebrate Christmas with family. For students who are single, they might do some activity with friends, but people over 40 years old seldom care Christmas since it's not a public holiday anyway. Not sure how it's like in Japan, but Christmas isn't a public holiday in Japan either.

The closest thing would be Online Dating Sites. Which only goes to show how even more badly viewed these types of things are in the west. Most people won't tell they're going to an Online Dating Site. And if they're found out, they'll deny it, saying they made an account but never really used it.
Well ... not very close. At least parents won't push children to online dating I guess ...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 01, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
^Wow, in our country we do not look at it in such a way at all! But cool! It's great to know the customs of other countries!XD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 01, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
I'm afraid you don't get what I mean. Although you can spend time with your boyfriend/girlfriend everyday (and many people do), the problem is, here almost every couple spend their Christmas together. If you aren't with him/her on Christmas, people will doubt whether you two are really together. A little like Valentine's day. And nobody celebrate Christmas with family. For students who are single, they might do some activity with friends, but people over 40 years old seldom care Christmas since it's not a public holiday anyway. Not sure how it's like in Japan, but Christmas isn't a public holiday in Japan either.
It's the same in Japan. Where were you talking about, if not Japan? Just curious. I know it's like this in other places than Japan.

By the way, it's funny how, in comparison, the way it's done in the west sometimes prevent couples from spending christmas together. Since christmas must be spent with your family. So, if each goes to their own family, they can't spend it together. Unless the two families decide to celebrate together, though this is rare. What happens most of the time is, for example, on christmas eve the girlfriend spends time celebrating at her boyfriend's family home, then on christmas the boyfriend spends time celebrating at his girlfriend's family home. Sometimes people end up going to 4, 5 or more christmas parties. For example, they go to one with the wife's work colleagues on the 19th, one with the husband's work colleagues on the 21st, one with the husband's family on the 24th, one with the wife's family on the 25th, one with only their kids at the husband and wife's own home on the 26th, one with their friends on the 28th, ...

The closest thing would be Online Dating Sites.
Well ... not very close. At least parents won't push children to online dating I guess ...
Yeah, they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 01, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
-She gets a report that Lightning's been detained for assault ("WTF LIGHTNING") and then one that Yukio is missing (*bursts a vein*)
-SHE DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE AN OFFICE JOB ANYMORE THANKS

Sorry, I can't help myself * my shipping feels ugh -_- *. Shura was completely surprised when she heard the news of Lightning from one of her associates, BUT when she heard the news of Yukio she totally lost it. She was  absolutely distraught like 'I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN OFFICE JOB ANYMORE!' I wonder what she'll do next. Sure, sooner or later she'll have to find out from Mephisto what happened to brothers. Then she would insist on going to find Yukio along with Rin. But on the other hand, who will be responsible for patrolling and keeping accounts of other exorcists? I hope that somehow they'll manage to solve this problem as well. They need to find Yukio as soon as possible! I wonder how's Yukio doing in the Illuminati and if he had already found Todo...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 03, 2018, 05:03:16 AM
I'm afraid you don't get what I mean. Although you can spend time with your boyfriend/girlfriend everyday (and many people do), the problem is, here almost every couple spend their Christmas together. If you aren't with him/her on Christmas, people will doubt whether you two are really together. A little like Valentine's day. And nobody celebrate Christmas with family. For students who are single, they might do some activity with friends, but people over 40 years old seldom care Christmas since it's not a public holiday anyway. Not sure how it's like in Japan, but Christmas isn't a public holiday in Japan either.
It's the same in Japan. Where were you talking about, if not Japan? Just curious. I know it's like this in other places than Japan.
I'm from Taiwan. Though some people think Taiwan is somewhat similar to Japan and maybe that's part of the reason, but I think Christmas might automatically becomes like that in any non-Western country. Every other culture already has their own family reunion traditional holidays, so people don't add Christmas as another one.

Then I finally have time to read remaining recent shipping discussion...

I honestly do think that Rin and Shiemi are set in stone for one another. Nothing else would make sense to me, considering how far along the manga is now. They have feelings for each other (imo) and Shiemi made it clear that she saw Yukio as a friend. Before, she clearly had a crush on him, so much so that Oblivious Rin saw it too, but now? She may say out of her mouth that she sees Rin as a friend too, but her actions, to me, proves otherwise. And Rin has had feelings for Shiemi since they met.
As far as I can tell, both Rin and Yukio love Shiemi. As for Shiemi, since the beginning and until recently, she saw both Rin and Yukio as her friends. Recently she seems to be falling for Rin, but she rejected him because she doesn't feel ready and needs to sort out her feelings.

At the beginning of the manga, just like Rin, I was sure she had a crush on Yukio, but it seems we were both wrong.
IMO Shiemi obviously doesn't love either of them before volume 16, and it's clearly explained in the school festival arc. (She saw Yukio as some kind of idol when they met, but idol is different from love and she already knew Yukio isn't perfect in Kraken arc.)

Things changed a little after Rin's confession. She thinks she's not ready, and IMO it means she's not fall in love "yet". What chapter 73 and 82 showed us is, she cares less about romantic relation, but more about catching up with others and curing injury of others. Therefore I can't say she "had a crush" on Rin now.

Rin and Shiemi have actively helped each other move forward. The both make each other better and want to be better. They are each other's first friend. Rin also believes in Shiemi unconditionally. Even his concern over her decision to quit is more out of worry for her life. They're like a positive feedback loop of striving for more. The best part is, Rin and Shiemi do this unconsciously. They aren't aware that they gain any benefit from helping each other, but they do it anyways. That's why they're so sweet and compatible.

Yukio and Shiemi looked like that too, but it wasn't.
That's actually where I think YukiShi sometimes still seems more natural than RinShi. There's a fundamental problem in RinShi that Rin doesn't understand Shiemi. For example, Rin probably never aware Shiemi feels left behind. (Although it's the same that Shiemi doesn't really understand Yukio, but at least it seems improving)

Moreover, despite it seems like RinShi make each other better while YukiShi do not, and even Yukio might think so, I actually disagree. Shiemi's improvement is a combined effect of Rin, Yukio, and even Izumo. Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko. When looking at RinShi alone, I actually feel their relation stuck
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 03, 2018, 03:13:46 PM
Though some people think Taiwan is somewhat similar to Japan
I hear that a lot too.

IMO Shiemi obviously doesn't love either of them before volume 16, and it's clearly explained in the school festival arc. (She saw Yukio as some kind of idol when they met, but idol is different from love and she already knew Yukio isn't perfect in Kraken arc.)
At that same time, she had the same realization about Rin too, didn't she? I don't know why many people keep mentioning Shiemi is looking up to Yukio, while ignoring she's also looking up to Rin and the others. That's the main reason why she rejected Rin; because she doesn't want to go out with someone if she can't feel they're on the same level.

Things changed a little after Rin's confession. She thinks she's not ready, and IMO it means she's not fall in love "yet". What chapter 73 and 82 showed us is, she cares less about romantic relation, but more about catching up with others and curing injury of others. Therefore I can't say she "had a crush" on Rin now.
I agree. She might be more or less falling in love right now, but she hasn't fallen in love yet. She barely knows what love is, so...

Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko.
Don't forget Renzou. At the start of the Kyoto arc, while Shiemi, Ryuuji, and Koneko were all avoiding Rin, Renzou was chilling with him, introducing him to his brothers, and making plans to go to the beach. Renzou also helped convince Koneko that Rin is a good guy and isn't responsible for his father's crimes. I never understood why back then Rin thought so highly of Koneko and so low of Renzou; it felt forced by the authors for some obscure reasons.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: HorseTechie on March 04, 2018, 05:22:58 AM
I have felt that Shiemi would rather get to know the twins more, and is comfortable as being a helpful friend. Then since it seems she got her romance input from a bunch of manga (possibly experiencing all those up and down woes that get worked into those story lines)... she decided to stay safe and decide to wait.

On the other hand, in respect to Yukio, I have wondered if this could be a possibility.  Clearly, their foster dad was not married, and did not seem to want to be.  (Then later we learn he's a clone, so that could be the real reason.)  But would it be that Yukio rather abstain?  In that, not for the usual reasons of putting full attention on work... but also for being related to Satan? 

Then in reference to Chapter 99 (and to night be a stinker!), if I may add that after Shiemi woke up, the first person she asked about was Yukio. ;p

So, I think it's the obvious reason as we expressed - Yukio is struggling with too many depressing things. The reason why Shiemi and Shura (and Rin) are so concerned about Yukio is that he's a hot mess in need of help. So they worry because they love him platonically as a friend/family relation and hope of relieving that trouble.. even after he has pushed them all away.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 04, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
^No, not at all. Right now, at the time of chapter 99? If they had an honest talk, it would be more like this:

Rin: Do you love Shiemi?
Yukio: Yes, I do. Do you?
Rin: Yes.
Yukio: Are you sure?
Rin: Of course. Why are you doubting me?
Yukio: Because if you really loved her, you would stay as far away from her as possible.
Rin: Just like you?
Yukio: Exactly.
Rin: And why should any of us do that?
Yukio: Because we're a danger to her. I have my eye possessed by Satan and I'm going crazy. You're a demon and you can't control yourself. If she dies or gets hurt because of you, would you ever forgive yourself?
Rin: I'll learn how to control myself.
Yukio: Good luck with that. And what about the equally dangerous people who are after us? Do you want her to get involved in this?
Rin: I'll protect her.
Yukio: Can you?
Rin: If they already know she's important to me, she's safer near me than away from me.
Yukio: Not as long as you can't control yourself.
Rin: Then what do you want me to do?
Yukio: Pretend she's not important to you. And stay away from her.
Rin: I can't.
Yukio: Then that's one more reason for me to kill you.

Wait. Maybe not that last line.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 04, 2018, 07:09:50 PM
^Hahha good job, you have a great point. But I didn't mean (of my dialog) it would happen at the time of ch. 99, but much more later when everything is settled and when everyone is already in a relationship. Of course this are just my ramblings and ofc I can dream, but I think we won't see any of this scenarios actually happen. Maybe it would turn out just like in anime where everyone stayed friends.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 04, 2018, 07:25:28 PM
chino, wow. I think that's pretty darn close. Except that I think Yukio would believe that Rin could learn to control himself. He thinks Rin is perfect, after all. Yukio doesn't believe he can do that because he's defective.

Honestly, I'm also conflicted on what romance is better. I like both YukiShu and YukiShie for different reasons. It's hard to say how Yukio will turn out by the end of all this. Shura's and Shiemi's development is much easier to predict. Shiemi is getting stronger, more forthright, but also less self-centered, like how Rin is learning. (I really do like chino's point about how Shiemi and Rin both do nice things because they like to do it, which isn't necessarily a good thing to do all the time.) Shura is catching up on twenty-seven years of only keeping ties she wouldn't mind leaving, so her growth is more reexamining how to live. She's a secondary character though.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 05, 2018, 01:00:09 AM
Just wanted to show you this...
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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 05, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
Except that I think Yukio would believe that Rin could learn to control himself. He thinks Rin is perfect, after all. Yukio doesn't believe he can do that because he's defective.
Yeah, you're right. Yukio seems to be trusting Rin with Shiemi more than he's trusting himself with her (edit: not just Shiemi, but everyone).

If Yukio really thought those criticisms applied not only to him but to Rin too, he would have told Rin already...

No, wait...

The criticisms are (1) I'm/you're a danger to people, (2) I/you can't change that, (3) I/you have dangerous enemies, (4) I/you can't protect allies.

Yukio did criticize Rin in the past for his flames being dangerous and that using them was a slippery slope. But at some point he stopped those criticisms and started wanting flames himself.

For the two last points though, it is more a concern Yukio has for himself and not for Rin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 05, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
^True that! And it all started with encountering Lucifer!

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 06, 2018, 05:56:24 AM
^ Well, to be specific... initially Yukio was peeved because Rin was busy dorking around by going "oooh nuuu i can't kill zombies", which directly put his teammates at risk.

But honestly, It's more that Yukio was sick of being constantly at the mercy of creepy old men demons.

Except that I think Yukio would believe that Rin could learn to control himself. He thinks Rin is perfect, after all. Yukio doesn't believe he can do that because he's defective.
Yeah, you're right. Yukio seems to be trusting Rin with Shiemi more than he's trusting himself with her (edit: not just Shiemi, but everyone).

If Yukio really thought those criticisms applied not only to him but to Rin too, he would have told Rin already...

No, wait...

The criticisms are (1) I'm/you're a danger to people, (2) I/you can't change that, (3) I/you have dangerous enemies, (4) I/you can't protect allies.

Yukio did criticize Rin in the past for his flames being dangerous and that using them was a slippery slope. But at some point he stopped those criticisms and started wanting flames himself.

Yukio said everything back in the Whale Arc: "if I were in your shoes, I would've gone crazy". His argument with Rin then was partially based in his own terror of what was happening to him.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 06, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
^But as far back as chapter 2, Yukio was already telling Rin he was a danger to others, and back then he had no idea he himself had demonic powers or anything of the sort.

But honestly, It's more that Yukio was sick of being constantly at the mercy of creepy old men demons.
That's not even a joke.

Who would have known it would come down to this. X)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 07, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
Except that I think Yukio would believe that Rin could learn to control himself. He thinks Rin is perfect, after all. Yukio doesn't believe he can do that because he's defective.
Yeah, you're right. Yukio seems to be trusting Rin with Shiemi more than he's trusting himself with her (edit: not just Shiemi, but everyone).

If Yukio really thought those criticisms applied not only to him but to Rin too, he would have told Rin already...

No, wait...

The criticisms are (1) I'm/you're a danger to people, (2) I/you can't change that, (3) I/you have dangerous enemies, (4) I/you can't protect allies.

Yukio did criticize Rin in the past for his flames being dangerous and that using them was a slippery slope. But at some point he stopped those criticisms and started wanting flames himself.

Yukio said everything back in the Whale Arc: "if I were in your shoes, I would've gone crazy". His argument with Rin then was partially based in his own terror of what was happening to him.
^But as far back as chapter 2, Yukio was already telling Rin he was a danger to others, and back then he had no idea he himself had demonic powers or anything of the sort.
I think chapter 2 is a special case since it was the first time Yukio confirmed Rin can stay conscious when using blue flame. What Yukio was saying until Kraken arc is pretty normal to me. He meant they don't really know the mechanism of Rin's flame and how (or whether) it's going to affect Rin's mind. Moreover he thought Rin didn't take it seriously. Tbh, he wasn't wrong. (And I think Shura actually thought of the same things, but as an adult, Shura knew they can't escape from the problems and Rin has to master his skills by practicing.) Yukio didn't take it too far like Rin should never use his flame, for example Yukio asked Rin to help him in chapter 3, and he didn't complain when Rin used blue flame to fought Naberuis. He only became unsettled after Rin went berserk in the forest and Rin punched Bon in Kyoto. Since the nine-tail arc Yukio was somehow convinced the blue flame is controllable, and that's why he tried to awaken his own power by suicide training. Until he found Satan is there. IMO he doesn't think Rin or himself is dangerous to Shiemi or other people, but Satan is dangerous.

IMO Shiemi obviously doesn't love either of them before volume 16, and it's clearly explained in the school festival arc. (She saw Yukio as some kind of idol when they met, but idol is different from love and she already knew Yukio isn't perfect in Kraken arc.)
At that same time, she had the same realization about Rin too, didn't she? I don't know why many people keep mentioning Shiemi is looking up to Yukio, while ignoring she's also looking up to Rin and the others. That's the main reason why she rejected Rin; because she doesn't want to go out with someone if she can't feel they're on the same level.
But then she specifically thought Yukio isn't perfect either, so I think that's the most important thing Kato intended to show us there.

Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko.
Don't forget Renzou. At the start of the Kyoto arc, while Shiemi, Ryuuji, and Koneko were all avoiding Rin, Renzou was chilling with him, introducing him to his brothers, and making plans to go to the beach. Renzou also helped convince Koneko that Rin is a good guy and isn't responsible for his father's crimes. I never understood why back then Rin thought so highly of Koneko and so low of Renzou; it felt forced by the authors for some obscure reasons.
Note Rin doesn't know Koneko's conversation with Renzou and doesn't remember his conversation with Renzou that night, so I regard Renzou's part (introducing him to his brothers and planning to invite girls to swimming) played a less significant role in how Rin regained confidence. (Though I do think it means something that Rin's attitude to Renzou is kind of weird throughout the story. I might elaborate it later)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on March 07, 2018, 04:45:30 AM
Moreover, despite it seems like RinShi make each other better while YukiShi do not, and even Yukio might think so, I actually disagree. Shiemi's improvement is a combined effect of Rin, Yukio, and even Izumo. Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko. When looking at RinShi alone, I actually feel their relation stuck

While Rin stated that it was thanks to everyone that they managed to defeat the Impure King (as I'm gonna assume this is what you're referring to), he specifically stated that thinking of Shiemi gave him encouragement, and we even saw that she was in Ch. 33. That in and of itself holds more weight than the others collectively helping him, because she was the catalyst.

I can't agree with their relationship being stuck. Not when they've been significant forces in each other's lives that helped pushed them to where they are now as individuals. That's not to say that the other Exwires haven't been (like Bon and Izumo) but the others, imo, simply don't have that same type of influence on these two as they have on each other. The problem is they just don't recognize the influence because both Rin and Shiemi have low self-esteem/confidence when it comes to how they view themselves.

But, to each their own in this regard. We all have different outlooks on it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 07, 2018, 09:10:25 AM
RinShi will happen 100%, this is the most possible ship of them all. If this doesn't happen then everyone would stay friends due to manga/anime ratings for age I guess... Or I'm wrong? Dunno. I also like Renzumo they're also very likely to happen if Shima doesn't die or anything. Hope Izumo will change her mind about him and manage to forgive him somehow. I really love those two pairings! I would be really glad if they happen and everyone becomes happy. I wish for their happiness! <3
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on March 07, 2018, 12:27:32 PM
i just wish yukishi the best  tbh haha. ( im out of topic).
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: alice on March 07, 2018, 12:46:28 PM
as a psychologist... I think that this manga ending scene is that ... rin and Yukio is enjoying their daily life ...everything is normal and shiemie is also visited them... I don't think that the writer gonna show any couple ending......because shiemie think she is young for any kind of love... because this manga faces a psychological issue so I think it ends when the issue resolved......because this comic is brother oriented...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: kirarin on March 07, 2018, 01:03:53 PM
as a psychologist... I think that this manga ending scene is that ... rin and Yukio is enjoying their daily life ...everything is normal and shiemie is also visited them... I don't think that the writer gonna show any couple ending......because shiemie think she is young for any kind of love... because this manga faces a psychological issue so I think it ends when the issue resolved......because this comic is brother oriented...
i too think kato won't go down the happy ending couple trope. but i t would be nice that along the way of all this load the twins are carrying; as a special part of their lives they find comfort in a warm hug,  a gentle ( or angsty) kiss here and there. man. real shipping goodness.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 07, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Honestly, I think Shiemi will eventually pair up with one of the twins. As of right now, I would say it'd be Rin. But she'll definitely get more development with Yukio in the future, and maybe something will come of it.

At this point in time, I see Rin being fine with Yukio having Shiemi in order to keep the peace between them. Yukio, however, I don't think would be able to stand seeing Shiemi together with Rin.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: gokusdonut on March 07, 2018, 04:17:28 PM
Honestly, I think Shiemi will eventually pair up with one of the twins. As of right now, I would say it'd be Rin. But she'll definitely get more development with Yukio in the future, and maybe something will come of it.

At this point in time, I see Rin being fine with Yukio having Shiemi in order to keep the peace between them. Yukio, however, I don't think would be able to stand seeing Shiemi together with Rin.

I feel the same about this. At this point, I don't even think of it in terms of who's best suited for who anymore, because it's a never-ending argument. It really all boils down to who Shiemi chooses to be with, since it's already been established that both Rin and Yukio have feelings for her. I do believe that she has romantic feelings for Rin. Nothing about her rejecting him made me think she doesn't.

I wonder if Yukio will ever confess. I hope he does, so that if she does reject him, he can move on. But really, I want Yukio to be more open about his feelings, and his feelings towards Shiemi is definitely one of them. As for Katou concluding the romance, I think it'd be bad writing on her part not to do anything with it, after she's developed it since Ch. 3. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 07, 2018, 05:22:36 PM
Honestly, I think Shiemi will eventually pair up with one of the twins. As of right now, I would say it'd be Rin. But she'll definitely get more development with Yukio in the future, and maybe something will come of it.

At this point in time, I see Rin being fine with Yukio having Shiemi in order to keep the peace between them. Yukio, however, I don't think would be able to stand seeing Shiemi together with Rin.

I feel the same about this. At this point, I don't even think of it in terms of who's best suited for who anymore, because it's a never-ending argument. It really all boils down to who Shiemi chooses to be with, since it's already been established that both Rin and Yukio have feelings for her. I do believe that she has romantic feelings for Rin. Nothing about her rejecting him made me think she doesn't.

I wonder if Yukio will ever confess. I hope he does, so that if she does reject him, he can move on. But really, I want Yukio to be more open about his feelings, and his feelings towards Shiemi is definitely one of them. As for Katou concluding the romance, I think it'd be bad writing on her part not to do anything with it, after she's developed it since Ch. 3. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.

I can't see Yukio actually confessing, but I could see Shiemi realizing that Yukio has feelings for her by someone bringing it up, partically someone like Shima. "Wow, Moriyama san, Sensei sure does a lot for you, doesn't he?", or something like that.

I like to think that Mephisto gave Shima the task of fanning the flames of both sides of the love triangle. Shima did try to get Rin to invite Shiemi to the pool, "You could invite Moriyama san! You'd get to know her better! This is a great chance!" They would definitely get a kick out of it.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 07, 2018, 06:22:14 PM
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I love this cover so much. Twins together with their girls, pure awesomeness!XD

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Lol I think Yukio’s afraid to be in a relationship with Shiemi cuz Rin would burn him alive!;.;
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 07, 2018, 08:29:56 PM
I can see Yukio confessing.

He's going through a process of undoing his previous coping mechanisms. The fake polite smile? Gone. The friendly demeanor? Kaput. He's stated openly his feelings that Rin was special to Shiro and that he himself is weak and defective.

Right now he's using his anger and sarcasm to manage. But what's going to be left if those get destroyed? Or maybe I'm just coming up with lame justifications to explain this picture in my head of Yukio hugging Shiemi like Jack hugs Lacie upon reuniting in Pandora Hearts (https://www.mangapanda.com/pandora-hearts/67/9).

Well, no matter what, Yukio needs to tell her sometime, if only to continue on his journey of realizing hiding feelings or painting over them with apathy or anger is a horrible, no-good, very bad idea.

Knowing his luck, he'll say it in response to some "I care about you" by going "you care about Rin! I've watched it! And I know damn well that you love him, and that I've never had a chance, that's just how it is!" Then realizes he just revealed more about himself than he intended.

Maybe. I dunno. I'm posting to waste time right now and pretend I don't have a deadline tomorrow.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 08, 2018, 03:25:01 AM
I think chapter 2 is a special case since it was the first time Yukio confirmed Rin can stay conscious when using blue flame. What Yukio was saying until Kraken arc is pretty normal to me. He meant they don't really know the mechanism of Rin's flame and how (or whether) it's going to affect Rin's mind. Moreover he thought Rin didn't take it seriously. Tbh, he wasn't wrong. (And I think Shura actually thought of the same things, but as an adult, Shura knew they can't escape from the problems and Rin has to master his skills by practicing.) Yukio didn't take it too far like Rin should never use his flame, for example Yukio asked Rin to help him in chapter 3, and he didn't complain when Rin used blue flame to fought Naberuis. He only became unsettled after Rin went berserk in the forest and Rin punched Bon in Kyoto.
From what you wrote, it seems to me you do agree Yukio thought Rin was dangerous (because of his flames and because of his behavior) since the beginning and until a certain point.
Which I think certainly made him "unsettled", uneasy, troubled, worried, wary, etc, since the beginning and until a certain point.

Since the nine-tail arc Yukio was somehow convinced the blue flame is controllable, and that's why he tried to awaken his own power by suicide training. Until he found Satan is there. IMO he doesn't think Rin or himself is dangerous to Shiemi or other people, but Satan is dangerous.
I agree. I reconsidered my previous statement. Yukio doesn't seem to think of Rin as a danger anymore.

she already knew Yukio isn't perfect in Kraken arc.
she had the same realization about Rin too, didn't she? I don't know why many people keep mentioning Shiemi is looking up to Yukio, while ignoring she's also looking up to Rin and the others.
But then she specifically thought Yukio isn't perfect either, so I think that's the most important thing Kato intended to show us there.
If we talk about that scene in the kraken arc, she did specifically think Yukio isn't perfect either. But that's because she had already realized the others weren't perfect.

Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko.
Don't forget Renzou. At the start of the Kyoto arc, while Shiemi, Ryuuji, and Koneko were all avoiding Rin, Renzou was chilling with him, introducing him to his brothers, and making plans to go to the beach. Renzou also helped convince Koneko that Rin is a good guy and isn't responsible for his father's crimes. I never understood why back then Rin thought so highly of Koneko and so low of Renzou; it felt forced by the authors for some obscure reasons.
Note Rin doesn't know Koneko's conversation with Renzou and doesn't remember his conversation with Renzou that night, so I regard Renzou's part (introducing him to his brothers and planning to invite girls to swimming) played a less significant role in how Rin regained confidence.
I know Rin doesn't know about Koneko's conversation with Renzou. I mentioned it to emphasize how much Koneko wasn't helping Rin to regain his confidence.
I think acting normal with someone who is being ostracized is way more helpful than actively ostracizing them and apologizing only after being confronted by many people.

(Though I do think it means something that Rin's attitude to Renzou is kind of weird throughout the story. I might elaborate it later)
I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Your phrasing is a little off. And, like you said, you didn't complete your thought. But anyway...

I think Rin's attitude towards Renzou is not that weird. And I think Rin did start to think better of Renzou after that time at the start of the kyoto arc where Renzou acted normal with him despite what the others were doing.

While Rin stated that it was thanks to everyone that they managed to defeat the Impure King (as I'm gonna assume this is what you're referring to)
I can't speak for tandem, but I wasn't talking about Rin's control over his flames. When I was talking about Rin regaining his self confidence, I meant him not feeling awkward around his friends anymore and start acting like his usual self again.

i just wish yukishi the best  tbh haha. ( im out of topic).
You're not out of topic, we are.

At this point in time, I see Rin being fine with Yukio having Shiemi in order to keep the peace between them.
Are you sure?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jU4qD9cFqrc/Vj1KEvIkaOI/AAAAAAAEt8A/IiYvtEalx2M/s16000/0068-028.jpg)
Lol I think Yukio’s afraid to be in a relationship with Shiemi cuz Rin would burn him alive!;.;

Though seriously, I think he was more afraid of the monkeys.

He's going through a process of undoing his previous coping mechanisms. The fake polite smile? Gone. The friendly demeanor? Kaput.
I don't think his polite smile and friendly demeanor were cooping mechanisms, they were just his "tatemae" or "façade". They didn't make him feel better, but they made him fit in normal society. (anyway, out of topic again)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 08, 2018, 03:31:59 AM
^Wasn't Rin being possessed at the time? In chapter 83, after Shiemi rejects him, he says that he can live with it because he didn't want to fight with Yukio.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 08, 2018, 03:59:31 AM
^Wasn't Rin being possessed at the time?
He wasn't possessed. In the Japanese raw, they used another word. I don't remember what it was though. Anyway, the end result still is that he was forced to tell what he really thinks/feels.

In chapter 83, after Shiemi rejects him, he says that he can live with it because he didn't want to fight with Yukio.
I was joking back there, just to be clear.

Seriously, I agree things have changed. Rin would not give up on Shiemi... until she rejected him herself... which is what happened.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 08, 2018, 04:18:51 AM
^Wasn't Rin being possessed at the time?
He wasn't possessed. In the Japanese raw, they used another word. I don't remember what it was though. Anyway, the end result still is that he was forced to tell what he really thinks/feels.

In chapter 83, after Shiemi rejects him, he says that he can live with it because he didn't want to fight with Yukio.
I was joking back there, just to be clear.

Seriously, I agree things have changed. Rin would not give up on Shiemi... until she rejected him herself... which is what happened.

Oh, ok. It's hard sometimes to distinguish jokes with only text.

About Shiemi rejecting Rin though, didn't she do it because she wasn't his equal or something and not because she didn't like him? I don't remember the exact word, but I find it kinda difficult for her to be his equal in power especially now that Rin's got his full power. Unless she didn't mean equal in power per say, but social standing.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 08, 2018, 04:36:53 AM
^I think power isn't so much important to Shiemi, you're right, it's about social standing. She never thought of Rin's power as something that makes him loved by other people, but his personality and strong spirit. He always hangs out with his friends, isn't afraid of rejection (for being a demon) and would do anything to keep others safe, even of himself, and that's what Shiemi admires so much about him. When Paku and Izumo were attacked by a goul he told her that he'll take care of the demon while she finds help. She didn't thought "Wow he's gonna take it down by himself, no way! He's so strong! ", but rather "He isn't hesitating, he immediately jumps to help his friends. I want to be determined and strong-willed like he is."
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kittykat on March 08, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
I agree with most of what you said, except...

He always hangs out with his friends, isn't afraid of rejection (for being a demon) and would do anything to keep others safe, even of himself, and that's what Shiemi admires so much about him.

When everyone pushed Rin away, she was more afraid of herself because she believed that the twins didn’t tell anything to her because she was unreliable—not strong enough to bear part of their burden. She didn’t realize that they were coping with things in their own way and wrongly thought she was the problem. She realized her mistake when she went to retrieve him from Mephisto’s prison—that what she had done was brought pain to Rin. She realized that Rin was afraid of rejection just as much as she was.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 11, 2018, 01:47:01 AM
I think chapter 2 is a special case since it was the first time Yukio confirmed Rin can stay conscious when using blue flame. What Yukio was saying until Kraken arc is pretty normal to me. He meant they don't really know the mechanism of Rin's flame and how (or whether) it's going to affect Rin's mind. Moreover he thought Rin didn't take it seriously. Tbh, he wasn't wrong. (And I think Shura actually thought of the same things, but as an adult, Shura knew they can't escape from the problems and Rin has to master his skills by practicing.) Yukio didn't take it too far like Rin should never use his flame, for example Yukio asked Rin to help him in chapter 3, and he didn't complain when Rin used blue flame to fought Naberuis. He only became unsettled after Rin went berserk in the forest and Rin punched Bon in Kyoto.
From what you wrote, it seems to me you do agree Yukio thought Rin was dangerous (because of his flames and because of his behavior) since the beginning and until a certain point.
Which I think certainly made him "unsettled", uneasy, troubled, worried, wary, etc, since the beginning and until a certain point.
What I mean is, after chapter 2 Yukio temporarily agreed Mephisto's "testing Rin's power" training (and I believe it's because he witness Rin fluently use the flame to attack hobgoblin), but after some time he regretted, as he explicitly stated here (https://www.mangapanda.com/ao-no-exorcist/37/20) (a little earlier than I thought in previous post). Therefore they had the argument in Kraken arc.

she already knew Yukio isn't perfect in Kraken arc.
she had the same realization about Rin too, didn't she? I don't know why many people keep mentioning Shiemi is looking up to Yukio, while ignoring she's also looking up to Rin and the others.
But then she specifically thought Yukio isn't perfect either, so I think that's the most important thing Kato intended to show us there.
If we talk about that scene in the kraken arc, she did specifically think Yukio isn't perfect either. But that's because she had already realized the others weren't perfect.
But she had seen Rin arguing with Bon many times before, so what really trigged her there should be mostly Yukio's part. I think her perfect first impression on Yukio played an important part in her cognition of the outside world, so she saw everyone perfect. Until she realized he isn't perfect, she suddenly realized no one is perfect.

I regard Renzou's part (introducing him to his brothers and planning to invite girls to swimming) played a less significant role in how Rin regained confidence.
I know Rin doesn't know about Koneko's conversation with Renzou. I mentioned it to emphasize how much Koneko wasn't helping Rin to regain his confidence.
I think acting normal with someone who is being ostracized is way more helpful than actively ostracizing them and apologizing only after being confronted by many people.
To me it's the opposite. Because Koneko is the most obvious one who first scared of Rin but changed his mind after Rin's effort, it's very meaningful in Rin's mind. It proves Rin can change how other people view him.

(Though I do think it means something that Rin's attitude to Renzou is kind of weird throughout the story. I might elaborate it later)
I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Your phrasing is a little off. And, like you said, you didn't complete your thought. But anyway...

I think Rin's attitude towards Renzou is not that weird. And I think Rin did start to think better of Renzou after that time at the start of the kyoto arc where Renzou acted normal with him despite what the others were doing.
That's much out of topic since it's neither about shipping nor shounen ai, and are all very small things, so I'll only roughly state some "inconsistency" between them :

While Rin stated that it was thanks to everyone that they managed to defeat the Impure King (as I'm gonna assume this is what you're referring to)
I can't speak for tandem, but I wasn't talking about Rin's control over his flames. When I was talking about Rin regaining his self confidence, I meant him not feeling awkward around his friends anymore and start acting like his usual self again.
I was referring to how Rin could stay conscious when he and Ucchusma were attacking IK because Rin remembered everyone trusted him. (not referring to how the other exwires fought IK, which Rin doesn't even know except Bon's part)

Moreover, despite it seems like RinShi make each other better while YukiShi do not, and even Yukio might think so, I actually disagree. Shiemi's improvement is a combined effect of Rin, Yukio, and even Izumo. Rin regains confidence not only because Shiemi, but also because Izumo, Bon, and especially Koneko. When looking at RinShi alone, I actually feel their relation stuck

While Rin stated that it was thanks to everyone that they managed to defeat the Impure King (as I'm gonna assume this is what you're referring to), he specifically stated that thinking of Shiemi gave him encouragement, and we even saw that she was in Ch. 33. That in and of itself holds more weight than the others collectively helping him, because she was the catalyst.

I can't agree with their relationship being stuck. Not when they've been significant forces in each other's lives that helped pushed them to where they are now as individuals.
Yes, Shiemi is definitely the most important part of it. I just want to say she's not the only part, so I disagree the idea that they should be together because they're so unique to each other. I do think right now they have the highest possibility to end up together among all shipping pairs, and if I have to predict the ending I'll bet on them too, but it's not endgame yet (at chapter 99).

By stuck I just mean recently (after the school festival I guess) their relation doesn't improve much, unlike before. Though they're still ahead other potential pairs

Honestly, I think Shiemi will eventually pair up with one of the twins. As of right now, I would say it'd be Rin. But she'll definitely get more development with Yukio in the future, and maybe something will come of it.

At this point in time, I see Rin being fine with Yukio having Shiemi in order to keep the peace between them. Yukio, however, I don't think would be able to stand seeing Shiemi together with Rin.

I feel the same about this. At this point, I don't even think of it in terms of who's best suited for who anymore, because it's a never-ending argument. It really all boils down to who Shiemi chooses to be with, since it's already been established that both Rin and Yukio have feelings for her. I do believe that she has romantic feelings for Rin. Nothing about her rejecting him made me think she doesn't.

I wonder if Yukio will ever confess. I hope he does, so that if she does reject him, he can move on. But really, I want Yukio to be more open about his feelings, and his feelings towards Shiemi is definitely one of them. As for Katou concluding the romance, I think it'd be bad writing on her part not to do anything with it, after she's developed it since Ch. 3. It wouldn't make a lick of sense.

I can't see Yukio actually confessing, but I could see Shiemi realizing that Yukio has feelings for her by someone bringing it up, partically someone like Shima. "Wow, Moriyama san, Sensei sure does a lot for you, doesn't he?", or something like that.
I wonder whether he knows or not. I mean, for the exwires it's not really that obvious. While all of the exwires (except Takara) have said something about the RinShie paring, none of them ever mentioned anything about YukiShie

he'll say it in response to some "I care about you" by going "you care about Rin! I've watched it! And I know damn well that you love him, and that I've never had a chance, that's just how it is!" Then realizes he just revealed more about himself than he intended.
I expect something more calm like "Do you want to join the Illuminati? They have better workplace gender equality here."

About Shiemi rejecting Rin though, didn't she do it because she wasn't his equal or something and not because she didn't like him? I don't remember the exact word, but I find it kinda difficult for her to be his equal in power especially now that Rin's got his full power. Unless she didn't mean equal in power per say, but social standing.
^I think power isn't so much important to Shiemi, you're right, it's about social standing.
I might read too much into it, but chapter 82 gave me a strong feeling of the "women choosing between careers versus family" topic. Shiemi's vague "catch up with everyone" sounds pretty like a reminiscent of "delay marriage/pregnancy for a better career path", which might be an emerging topic in Japan.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 11, 2018, 04:28:34 AM
he'll say it in response to some "I care about you" by going "you care about Rin! I've watched it! And I know damn well that you love him, and that I've never had a chance, that's just how it is!" Then realizes he just revealed more about himself than he intended.
I expect something more calm like "Do you want to join the Illuminati? They have better workplace gender equality here."

Really??? Literally the only woman we've seen in the Illuminati is Homare Toudou. Well, there was also Maria, but she kinda was murdered. The Illuminati is one hell of a sausage fest.

But really, I don't think Yukio will be as cool & calm anymore, unless he's in battle. He's more likely to let things slip.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 11, 2018, 07:08:43 AM
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I expect something more calm like "Do you want to join the Illuminati? They have better workplace gender equality here."
*spits water*

God damn, you got me there. xD

I might read too much into it, but chapter 82 gave me a strong feeling of the "women choosing between careers versus family" topic. Shiemi's vague "catch up with everyone" sounds pretty like a reminiscent of "delay marriage/pregnancy for a better career path", which might be an emerging topic in Japan.
Actually, Abe is planing on improving the daycare system. But giving up their career for their family is still something women in Japan commonly do.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 11, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
I wonder whether he knows or not. I mean, for the exwires it's not really that obvious. While all of the exwires (except Takara) have said something about the RinShie paring, none of them ever mentioned anything about YukiShie
Strangely enough, we saw Shura and Mephisto spying on them, but never Renzou.

Though Renzou was around the area during the Aomori Onsen scene and during the Exorcist Shop scene. Maybe he overheard. Not sure.

Well, there was also Maria, but she kinda was murdered.
Maria and Shiemi resemble each other on so many levels. They're kind, caring, somewhat scared and they look exactly the same. Is Maria her lost mother Shiemi had never the opportunity to meet?
Shiemi lost her father, not her mother. X)

I wonder if Katou thought of making Shiemi's mother part of the Iluminati, but then thought back and killed her. Like how Ryuuji was originally part of Mephisto's guard in chapter one. *shrug*
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 11, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
^ Mephisto spied on them but Shura accidentally came across and heard their conversation. You can't call it spying if it wasn't intentional. What I wanted to say is that Shura isn't a creap like Mephisto, you can't lump them together just like that and I think Shura would go crazy if she had any connection to this crazy clown!XD
You can't call that simple overhearing if it lasts more than a few seconds. At some point it turns into what I would call some sort of spying. X)

Renzo doesn't know anything about their relationship either, if he did know, he would point that out cuz he's that kind of guy.
Or he could be keeping that card for later.

It wasn't mentioned that she lost him, maybe he's still alive. I'm wondering where he might be...
Yeah. I almost wrote "The one Shiemi never had the opportunity to meet is her father, not her mother. X)". But it was too long for a quick jab.

Lol what if Shiemi's father works for the Illuminati! 0.o
That's one more for the crack theories.
Though, for all we know at this point, that's not impossible.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 16, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
^I think that's because Yukio give Rin money to buy groceries from market. And then Rin makes lunchbox for Shura, Yukio, and himself. (It's easier to make many lunchbox at once.) Therefore Shura's lunch is from Yukio's money.

he'll say it in response to some "I care about you" by going "you care about Rin! I've watched it! And I know damn well that you love him, and that I've never had a chance, that's just how it is!" Then realizes he just revealed more about himself than he intended.
I expect something more calm like "Do you want to join the Illuminati? They have better workplace gender equality here."

Really??? Literally the only woman we've seen in the Illuminati is Homare Toudou. Well, there was also Maria, but she kinda was murdered. The Illuminati is one hell of a sausage fest.
I was half joking. It isn't very meaningful to evaluate gender equality in an evil organization. I just . . . don't know what reason Yukio can use. But I do think he wants to invite Shiemi join him (when he can feel Illuminati is safe). As you said Yukio won't hide his feeling anymore, therefore I don't think he'll mention Rin to Shiemi. What he wants is to be with Shiemi, not to discuss Rin with Shiemi.

(Regarding Illuminati … Maria basically betrayed them, so she was killed just like Lucifer killed pigface, which isn't related to workplace equality. There was also female demon eater, though she is also dead. I just feel they seem to have higher percentage of female members because we haven't seen many members yet. Unlike the Order which we already know the female percentage seems quite low.)

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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Taytronics7 on March 16, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
^I think that's because Yukio give Rin money to buy groceries from market. And then Rin makes lunchbox for Shura, Yukio, and himself. (It's easier to make many lunchbox at once.) Therefore Shura's lunch is from Yukio's money.

he'll say it in response to some "I care about you" by going "you care about Rin! I've watched it! And I know damn well that you love him, and that I've never had a chance, that's just how it is!" Then realizes he just revealed more about himself than he intended.
I expect something more calm like "Do you want to join the Illuminati? They have better workplace gender equality here."

Really??? Literally the only woman we've seen in the Illuminati is Homare Toudou. Well, there was also Maria, but she kinda was murdered. The Illuminati is one hell of a sausage fest.
I was half joking. It isn't very meaningful to evaluate gender equality in an evil organization. I just . . . don't know what reason Yukio can use. But I do think he wants to invite Shiemi join him (when he can feel Illuminati is safe). As you said Yukio won't hide his feeling anymore, therefore I don't think he'll mention Rin to Shiemi. What he wants is to be with Shiemi, not to discuss Rin with Shiemi.

(Regarding Illuminati … Maria basically betrayed them, so she was killed just like Lucifer killed pigface, which isn't related to workplace equality. There was also female demon eater, though she is also dead. I just feel they seem to have higher percentage of female members because we haven't seen many members yet. Unlike the Order which we already know the female percentage seems quite low.)

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I would think rather than Yukio inviting Shiemi to the Illuminati, I bet that the Order will eventually become an unsafe place for Shiemi. Maybe she gets arrested and Yukio goes to rescue her, like how Rin rescued Yukio from jail and Shiemi rescued Rin from jail. I don't think he'd invite her simply because he believes the Illuminati to be an evil organization and himself to be evil, while also believing that Shiemi is a kind and good person who wouldn't belong there.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 16, 2018, 10:24:25 PM
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Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 18, 2018, 07:12:08 PM
Yes, the coolness list. I should add it as a separate point. Don't you feel strange that it's never explained why Rin doesn't put him on the list?
That should be obvious, cuz he's afraid of bugs!(I mean the little ones that doesn't do any harm)XD
Yeah, bacterial or viral infectious disease carrying or even venomous and almost imperceptibly small beings that can sneak up on you and potentially kill you, aren't scary at all. X)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 18, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
^Aww c'mon you're overreacting!XD Like, do you scream bloody murder every time you see a little bug a say OOOOMMG HELPHELP SOMEONE HELP I'M GONNA BE MURDEREEEEED!! Really guy? You just stomp on it, the end.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 18, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
^Renzou does have a phobia, which is making him overreact, I agree.

But I can't agree that bugs don't do any harm.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 18, 2018, 07:44:53 PM
^I agree with you! Some people have insects as housepets, this is sick and I don't get it why they're doing this. Lol imagine Shima entering the house of some crazy insect dude, the doors abruptly close and he's being trapped! Omg hahhaha poor poor guy!XD
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 18, 2018, 08:00:30 PM
^Yeah, in another thread, I made a similar joke about Renzou finally getting a date but the girl insisting on going to the insectarium. X)

Edit: Realizing, we somehow somewhat came back on topic...
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: Kannra21 on March 18, 2018, 08:07:54 PM
Lol it's funny when people constantly wander away from the main thing (myself included), it happens all the time haahhaXD
 
+ I just remembered Ao no Exorcist movie and this blonde woman tamer with insect demons, Shima was all WTF!?XD
 
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: earthforge on March 18, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
JFC you guys post too fast...

I would think rather than Yukio inviting Shiemi to the Illuminati, I bet that the Order will eventually become an unsafe place for Shiemi. Maybe she gets arrested and Yukio goes to rescue her, like how Rin rescued Yukio from jail and Shiemi rescued Rin from jail. I don't think he'd invite her simply because he believes the Illuminati to be an evil organization and himself to be evil, while also believing that Shiemi is a kind and good person who wouldn't belong there.

I think Shiemi would feel the safest by her mother's side. They will run from the True Cross and get a safer place to live. That's why Shiemi was so secretive towards her friends. She doesn't want to tell anyone about her difficulties to make them worry even more. But it might be that she'll inform Rin about this later. She said before that she isn't dying or going anywhere else and abandoning them. I don't know if she's lying or telling the truth but when I think about it, Shiemi is a honest character and she doesn't know how to lie, so I guess that she'll be fine for now. People, it would be really funny cuz of so many theories which we came up with, but I think Kato's gonna troll us big time!XD Shiemi won't be related to any demon and have anything to do with Nephilim or something like that. She will be a normal human girl with exceptional tamer powers and Mephisto's gonna use her for his super squad against Satan. He won't be using her for experiments, he'll use her against his archenemies. Btw I think she'll be safer in True Cross rather than in Illuminati.

Strong taming talent is related to demon bloodlines. Shiemi has also been routinely joked about as not human ("I need to learn to become a proper human being" "what are you, a youkai?"). The only other "human" character that got routinely jokingly referred to as like a demon is Yukio, and we know how that's panned out.

Shiemi's gotta be partially not human in some way. Whether she's artificially constructed or a nephilim or whatever, there's something special about her.

I don't think Shiemi will be threatened by the True Cross Order. She doesn't appear to bear any ill will towards them. It's that for some reason, she can't afford to risk her life, which she would if she became an exorcist. That's what her mom kept on bringing up: "isn't being an exorcist dangerous", "do you want that for your future", etc. The question is, why.

Following on that, there's some obvious reasons why she can't NOT be an exorcist. She wants to help her friends. Before "Beyond the Snow", she could help them from the sidelines. Now Yukio has left, and Rin has a new dangerous and difficult to control power. Shiemi is the only one in the group with the power to slow down Rin and Yukio. If she wants to support Rin and bring Yukio back, she has to be on the field. Also, with the merging of the worlds, no place is safe. Not being an exorcist is more dangerous than being one.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 19, 2018, 02:27:55 AM
I think Kato-sensei said that Ao no Exorcist will aproximately end with 25 volumes or a few more...
It'll end with 25 volumes!?
I don't know when she said that, if she said that at all, but authors often come back on early statements, especially when it concerns when the series will end.

and then Shiemi blamed herself, and took what happened as not being "good enough" or not doing "enough" instead of what it really was: Yukio was in the wrong for what happened, it wasn't her fault he reacted how he did.
Sometimes people blame themselves too much, but sometimes they blame themselves too little. It's important in life to recognize when you've made a mistake. Sometimes, even if you don't have to take all the blame, when the blame falls on many people and many things, you might still have to take some of the blame.

I think Shiemi did well to take part of that blame. This way she can improve herself and be more wise and helpful for the next time they meet, instead of resting on her laurels and waiting for excuses.


P.S.: It's not that great to dig up old posts since the ones who posted them might not even be around to answer anymore, plus it's a little headache inducing for those like me who were there back when these were originally posted.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 19, 2018, 10:51:58 AM
^Don't worry about it too much. I'm not an admin. And I don't think it's not allowed.
But I wanted to say it was strange for me.
Especially with xyzt's post there.
You see, xyzt and I had a conversation back then and we were disagreeing on some things.
If you read xyzt comment, I assume you read mine as well.
Though xyzt hasn't posted in the shipping thread for a while, but I was, I aslo asume you noticed that.
Then, when you repost one of xyzt's post and do little more than put your seal of approval on it, it's very strange for me...

It's as if we were regulars in a bar or some other place, and xyzt and I had a debate while you were only listening to us. Then at some point xyzt leaves, but I stay, and only then you say "I agree with xyzt". On one hand I want to disagree with you, but on the other hand I assume you already heard my arguments and I don't want to simply repeat all of them all over again. Ultimately I decide not to say anything, but I'm left wondering why you didn't say how you disagree with me instead of only saying you agree with xyzt.

Anyway, got to go. Don't worry about it too much.
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: chinonamida on March 19, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
^Of course. Things being awkward between us didn't even cross my mind. And, just to be clear, I don't have anything against xyzt nor anyone on this forum. Except maybe Karen. Alright, joking apart, not even Karen. X)
Title: Re: Shipping Thread!
Post by: tandem on March 20, 2018, 11:59:07 PM
It'll end with 25 volumes!? OMG that's so close!
Don't take those promise seriously. I'm pretty sure manga authors can't decide when to end a series only by themselves …

and then Shiemi blamed herself, and took what happened as not being "good enough" or not doing "enough" instead of what it really was: Yukio was in the wrong for what happened, it wasn't her fault he reacted how he did.
Sometimes people blame themselves too much, but sometimes they blame themselves too little. It's important in life to recognize when you'