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Chapter 122 ENG
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2020, 04:03:35 PM »
yo that shit rin said how he thought yukio was actually strong and not weak fucking put me in a bad mood bro ngl like i dunno if rin said that to tease yukio and trigger him more or he just be playing or he really thought at that point yukio's still  and will always be the scaredy cat . mah mans yukio.... i got u . youxre doin amazing sweetie. lol.

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2020, 04:27:28 PM »
Hopefully this victory will have some improvement on Yukio's inferiority complex. Also good of Yukio to state why Renzo is absolutely useless right in his presence.

Given Yukio's line about Rin's form signifying an unstable nature, I guess he already suspects that Rin has a crazy alternate persona.

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2020, 09:46:34 PM »
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2020, 01:43:41 AM »
Ehhh Rins treatment of Yukio feels kinda out of character. I’ve never been under the impression that Rin thought Yukio was weak or at least not since the beginning of the series.

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2020, 04:54:12 PM »
It feels good to see Yukio back. Finally, we can see the story progressing :D

I do want to see if a few guesses can come true.

yo that shit rin said how he thought yukio was actually strong and not weak fucking put me in a bad mood bro ngl like i dunno if rin said that to tease yukio and trigger him more or he just be playing or he really thought at that point yukio's still  and will always be the scaredy cat . mah mans yukio.... i got u . youxre doin amazing sweetie. lol.

I don't think it really matters to Yukio at this point what Rin thinks of him. He has been hiding his own and others' secrets for so long that Rin and through Rin's POV as an audience, it feels startling. But it would definitely be a nice feeling for Yukio to have an upper hand for sometime, however short it is. We are going to get some good fight next and Rin may have some way to show off his demon side. Demon Rin vs Yukio, I am looking forward to it.


Ehhh Rins treatment of Yukio feels kinda out of character. I’ve never been under the impression that Rin thought Yukio was weak or at least not since the beginning of the series.

I think since the series has begun, the most common feeling between the two has been jealousy. At the beginning Rin was jealous as Yukio was 'stronger, smarter, handsome'. Later on we see Yukio had been harboring jealousy as well, Rin's easy life, easy banter, easy friendship and easy power-up as well. Rin who had always protected Yukio and then felt inadequate and within an year overtook Yukio again, so it is just cold realization on Rin's part; Yukio has worked hard to be strong and he is, power or not. Of course, things will reverse, Rin needs an opponent in Yukio to overcome. For Yukio and Satan, there are other things going on.
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2020, 11:25:23 AM »
Given Yukio's line about Rin's form signifying an unstable nature, I guess he already suspects that Rin has a crazy alternate persona.
At this, and the number of times Yukio was aiming for Rin's heart... I am also left wondering if he is trying to reawaken Rin's feral demon side again to inadvertently take out the ship. Since the seraphim were going to be wiped out, it was hard to miss how Yukio seemed to be making unspoken plans for something. 

Like that grate... is that going to be a trap, or an escape route? Now we have to wait another month to find out.

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2020, 09:46:52 PM »
At this, and the number of times Yukio was aiming for Rin's heart... I am also left wondering if he is trying to reawaken Rin's feral demon side again to inadvertently take out the ship. Since the seraphim were going to be wiped out, it was hard to miss how Yukio seemed to be making unspoken plans for something. 

Like that grate... is that going to be a trap, or an escape route? Now we have to wait another month to find out.
If Yukio is trying to make Rin go berserk, it's to make Rin try to kill him. It's what he said in chapter 121, he wants Rin to kill him or at least try to kill him.

He already used the grate as a trap. While Rin was running towards Yukio at the end, Yukio moved back and Rin stepped on the unstable grate making him lose his balance.


EDIT: But yeah, this fight... As someone who practice many combat sports, there are a few things that didn't make sense to me. It's been a long time since I've done this; here's one of my fight reviews.

First, I like how Yukio takes off his vest and rolls up his sleeves. Whenever I see someone fight in a suit without doing this, I think it must feel stiff as hell. I give a pass to the exorcist coat, because it's a coat, which means it's less tight than a vest or a shirt, and because I don't know which material it's made off, so I just hope it's a flexible one, like some fabrics blend, and not 100% cotton or leather...

When Rin grabs Yukio in a chokehold, I thought "God damn, Rin is starting strong" because that's one hard move to pull and hard to get out of. But then, it's not clear, but it seems like yukio just hits Rin's arms with the back of his guns, and Rin just lets go of Yukio. That was odd and disappointing. I didn't expect Rin to let go of such a good hold just because he got hit with the back of a gun...

After Rin let go of the choke, their positions doesn't make sense. Rin seemed to be going for a complete proper choke, with the arms and legs. But after he let go of the arms, because he was hit there, he also gives up on grappling him with is legs, which makes no sense at all, even for a begginer in grappling. Not only that but, like I said, the poses don't make sense, how Rin went from one to the next is mind boggling. Rin's legs were in a forward motion to grab Yukio's waist, but when he let go of the choke, he put his left hand on Yukio's sholder (which is a really bad idea, but I can believe a beginner would do something like that), but how on earth did he get his legs to suddenly go in a backward motion; they're not under water or in a low gravity space and no matter how strong Rin is, he can't redirect his whole body motion from the only contact point of his hand on Yukio's shoulder.

Then Yukio has the time to turn around before Rin touches the ground, which is an extremely fast turn. This is Dragon Ball level of speed right there.

Talking of speed, Yukio's wrist turn was also super fast. Or it was Rin's punch that was super slow.

Rin grappling Yukio's collar before punching is completly pointless. But this is a very common begginer's mistake, so I can believe that. It's pointless because if you want to punch the target immediately, the hand that punch and the hand that grapple will arrive at your target at about the same time. So it's not like the grapple will help keep your target in place. And it's not like it's going to make the punch stronger, if anything it's going to make it weaker.

So concidering the grab and the punch should have arrived at roughly the sane time, it's incredible Yukio was fast enough to fit a wrist grab between Rin's collar grab and his punch.

A wrist turn is about a 4 movements technique. There they only show two moves. Catching the wrist and throwing to the ground. They didn't show how Yukio broke the hand grab nor how he moved his body to destabilize Rin before throwing him. Showing the whole thing would have looked much better. Right now, it feels like he just didn't do the grab break or destabilizing at all. Which looks like a very amateurish idea of what a wrist turn is.

When Rin is punching repeatedly and Yukio is blocking without moving. That's weird. Why does Rin keep punching Yukio's guard? He should just try to pnch in the holes of his guard. If Yukio guards the front, punch the side; if he guards the face, punch the stomach... That's boxing 101.

When Yukio stops guarding, does a dodge, grab and hit the chin then the stomach with a knee strike. That's perfect though. Good job katoh.

I really got to go, so I'll stop there. Most of the rest was ok. But a lot of strange things in this fight...

EDIT2: Of course, despite my critiques, the fight was great. It had tension, which is the most important thing.

By the way, as far as I can tell, Rin is jealous of Yukio for many things, but I don't think strenght (as in who would win in a fight) is one of them. He said that he always saw Yukio as a weak little brother that needed to be protected by him.
Also, that "cool guys list" Rin showed Renzou in the IK arc (boy that brings me back). I'm still not sure what are the criteria of the rankings on that list, but Rin ranked Yukio below him... So, even though Rin is jealous of Yukio on many things, clearly he still think he has some advantages over Yukio. And, as a guy who likes to brawl, one of them is probably strenght or the ability to win in a fight. Though it's definetly not the only one.
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 09:36:23 PM »
At this, and the number of times Yukio was aiming for Rin's heart... I am also left wondering if he is trying to reawaken Rin's feral demon side again to inadvertently take out the ship. Since the seraphim were going to be wiped out, it was hard to miss how Yukio seemed to be making unspoken plans for something. 

Like that grate... is that going to be a trap, or an escape route? Now we have to wait another month to find out.
If Yukio is trying to make Rin go berserk, it's to make Rin try to kill him. It's what he said in chapter 121, he wants Rin to kill him or at least try to kill him.

He already used the grate as a trap. While Rin was running towards Yukio at the end, Yukio moved back and Rin stepped on the unstable grate making him lose his balance.


EDIT: But yeah, this fight... As someone who practice many combat sports, there are a few things that didn't make sense to me. It's been a long time since I've done this; here's one of my fight reviews.

First, I like how Yukio takes off his vest and rolls up his sleeves. Whenever I see someone fight in a suit without doing this, I think it must feel stiff as hell. I give a pass to the exorcist coat, because it's a coat, which means it's less tight than a vest or a shirt, and because I don't know which material it's made off, so I just hope it's a flexible one, like some fabrics blend, and not 100% cotton or leather...

When Rin grabs Yukio in a chokehold, I thought "God damn, Rin is starting strong" because that's one hard move to pull and hard to get out of. But then, it's not clear, but it seems like yukio just hits Rin's arms with the back of his guns, and Rin just lets go of Yukio. That was odd and disappointing. I didn't expect Rin to let go of such a good hold just because he got hit with the back of a gun...

After Rin let go of the choke, their positions doesn't make sense. Rin seemed to be going for a complete proper choke, with the arms and legs. But after he let go of the arms, because he was hit there, he also gives up on grappling him with is legs, which makes no sense at all, even for a begginer in grappling. Not only that but, like I said, the poses don't make sense, how Rin went from one to the next is mind boggling. Rin's legs were in a forward motion to grab Yukio's waist, but when he let go of the choke, he put his left hand on Yukio's sholder (which is a really bad idea, but I can believe a beginner would do something like that), but how on earth did he get his legs to suddenly go in a backward motion; they're not under water or in a low gravity space and no matter how strong Rin is, he can't redirect his whole body motion from the only contact point of his hand on Yukio's shoulder.

Then Yukio has the time to turn around before Rin touches the ground, which is an extremely fast turn. This is Dragon Ball level of speed right there.

Talking of speed, Yukio's wrist turn was also super fast. Or it was Rin's punch that was super slow.

Rin grappling Yukio's collar before punching is completly pointless. But this is a very common begginer's mistake, so I can believe that. It's pointless because if you want to punch the target immediately, the hand that punch and the hand that grapple will arrive at your target at about the same time. So it's not like the grapple will help keep your target in place. And it's not like it's going to make the punch stronger, if anything it's going to make it weaker.

So concidering the grab and the punch should have arrived at roughly the sane time, it's incredible Yukio was fast enough to fit a wrist grab between Rin's collar grab and his punch.

A wrist turn is about a 4 movements technique. There they only show two moves. Catching the wrist and throwing to the ground. They didn't show how Yukio broke the hand grab nor how he moved his body to destabilize Rin before throwing him. Showing the whole thing would have looked much better. Right now, it feels like he just didn't do the grab break or destabilizing at all. Which looks like a very amateurish idea of what a wrist turn is.

When Rin is punching repeatedly and Yukio is blocking without moving. That's weird. Why does Rin keep punching Yukio's guard? He should just try to pnch in the holes of his guard. If Yukio guards the front, punch the side; if he guards the face, punch the stomach... That's boxing 101.

When Yukio stops guarding, does a dodge, grab and hit the chin then the stomach with a knee strike. That's perfect though. Good job katoh.

I really got to go, so I'll stop there. Most of the rest was ok. But a lot of strange things in this fight...

EDIT2: Of course, despite my critiques, the fight was great. It had tension, which is the most important thing.

By the way, as far as I can tell, Rin is jealous of Yukio for many things, but I don't think strenght (as in who would win in a fight) is one of them. He said that he always saw Yukio as a weak little brother that needed to be protected by him.
Also, that "cool guys list" Rin showed Renzou in the IK arc (boy that brings me back). I'm still not sure what are the criteria of the rankings on that list, but Rin ranked Yukio below him... So, even though Rin is jealous of Yukio on many things, clearly he still think he has some advantages over Yukio. And, as a guy who likes to brawl, one of them is probably strenght or the ability to win in a fight. Though it's definetly not the only one.

I would put one of my theories that Yukio is indeed going to die. His need to die is part depression, part fear and I suppose part necessity. Rin said he was born like this, with his heart hanging out yeah? What if Yukio needs to die to fill up his constitution and assume true corporeal body? Will it help Rin fight Satan? Or will it close the pathway Satan has now from Gehenna? It was also hinted way long back multiple times.

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I took it that while Rin jumped on Yukio, Yukio hit the butt of the left gun on his shoulder and hit gauge of the right gun on his elbow. Rin said 'ow' maybe more so out of surprise than hurt. Then Yukio smoothly ducked out from under Rin's arm while trapping his hand on the shoulder. After that he had a close, direct aim to the heart. About the strangeness of the fight, I feel it has more to do with Yukio biding time until the wave burst and goading Rin to go full out. But do you feel something else going on?

About Yukio's agility and physical frame, it is long and lean compared to Rin's stockiness. Rin has brute strength, that is why despite Satan's protection, Yukio is still taking tiring hits. I think dealing with paranormal must have made Yukio fast enough anyways. So you are right about strength, Rin always has been strong, birth-wise, then health and physique.
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2020, 08:52:36 AM »
I took it that while Rin jumped on Yukio, Yukio hit the butt of the left gun on his shoulder and hit gauge of the right gun on his elbow. Rin said 'ow' maybe more so out of surprise than hurt.
Still, Rin has seen so much worse than this. Strikes like that should have been nothing to him. He got stabbed in the guts by Neuhaus and barely flinched, he got beaten up by Amaimon so bad that the authors hid his bloody remains with mosaic, he burned alive until his body was charred and falling into ashes... To see him say "ow" and let go of his grab because of two small strikes like that is just so odd. It seems out of character. I understand Rin being bested by advanced martial techniques and by the Armumahel gun, but Rin being hurt or even just affected by the force of some average strikes, I don't believe that.

Then Yukio smoothly ducked out from under Rin's arm while trapping his hand on the shoulder.
Oh, so that's what they tried to show? Maybe.
The problem is, it wouldn't work.
People can't simply duck out of a chokehold. Unless the one doing the chokehold puts no strength in it and just lets the other one get away with the ducking out. But if the one doing the chokehold puts some strength in it, they won't let the other get away with simply ducking out. It's really hard for anyone who's caught in a chokehold to get out of it. Ducking out is far from enough.

It's hard to explain with only words, so here's some videos I can vouch for.

Here, they're explaining how it's not possible to simply duck out of a bearhug. A bearhug is different from a chokehold, but not so different. He even turns the bearhug into a chokehold at the end, and you can see the other one tapping (asking him to release the hold) because he's actually choking and knows he won't easily be able to get out of it if they continue. And if they did plan to continue, the guy doing the chokehold would have grabbed the other guy's waist with his legs. That's how the technique is usually done. (from 4:04 to 4:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G10uv57Romo

Here, they don't talk about ducking out, but they talk about other techniques that do not work against chokeholds. They don't go all out in the video and they joke around a lot, but I can vouch for the fact that the techniques wouldn't work even if they were more serious about it. (Also, just a disclaimer, the finger technique at the end is only partly true. It's really efficient if you manage to grab a hold of a finger, but they forgot to mention that grabbing a finger is not that easy when you're actually being choked. But they did say at the end, the most important is to train. The more you train, the more you can get closer to what a real fight is like. And eventually you reach a point where you can defend yourself in a real fight. There's no special technique where you can think "Attack the fingers? Got it!", then never train and expect to be able to use the technique in a real fight someday. This disclaimer is for people who have 0 experience in combat training.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvevgym4jt0

Here they talk about submission techniques from the back. The very first one they show is the RNC (Rear Naked Choke) the most common type of chokehold and the one I was talking about, with the arms grabbing the neck and the legs grabbing the waist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrhHVlVfCo

By the way, I don't know this channel. I just searched and found these videos to show you. And I know what they're saying in these three videos is true, because of my own experience in combat sports. But I don't vouch for anything else said in any of their other videos, because I haven't watched them.

After that he had a close, direct aim to the heart. About the strangeness of the fight, I feel it has more to do with Yukio biding time until the wave burst and goading Rin to go full out. But do you feel something else going on?
I also think Yukio is provoking Rin to go berserk.
I guess he's also enjoying the fight and showing off his skills to Rin.
Though I don't think Yukio know what the Seraphim Pulse does, so I don't think he could make any plans with it. I think that, just like Rin, Yukio had to wait and see to find out whether it would do something to them or not.

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2020, 07:32:52 AM »
Still, Rin has seen so much worse than this. Strikes like that should have been nothing to him. He got stabbed in the guts by Neuhaus and barely flinched, he got beaten up by Amaimon so bad that the authors hid his bloody remains with mosaic, he burned alive until his body was charred and falling into ashes... To see him say "ow" and let go of his grab because of two small strikes like that is just so odd. It seems out of character. I understand Rin being bested by advanced martial techniques and by the Armumahel gun, but Rin being hurt or even just affected by the force of some average strikes, I don't believe that.

You're right about chokehold. I did see what you sent and in a real fight, for a very strong opponent, it isn't easy. In manga's context, Yukio and Rin are still not fighting seriously. Yukio had direct aim to the heart, he didn't do anything. Rin had Yukio in a chokehold, he could simply have tried burning him or even truly strangling him. But it is mostly to hold him in place.

About Rin's real fights, a lot of times he has been in feral rage. This means that if he is hurt, he isn't aware or that he heals so fast that it is barely worth attention. But he does hurt, does feel stunned or any other human reflexes that have been accumulated through life. I don't see him as hulk or thick-skinned to not feel anything.

I do get what you say, that while Yukio knocked him, ducked and used his momentum to torque out of the hold, it is unlikely if Rin put in actual strength to hold him. For a lot of 2-D, fictional fights, whether it is in a story or comic, I don't let it disturb me as it is difficult to reproduce accurately. But visually, such fights give themselves away easily.
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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2020, 08:51:22 AM »
You're right about chokehold. I did see what you sent and in a real fight, for a very strong opponent, it isn't easy. In manga's context, Yukio and Rin are still not fighting seriously. Yukio had direct aim to the heart, he didn't do anything. Rin had Yukio in a chokehold, he could simply have tried burning him or even truly strangling him. But it is mostly to hold him in place.
So Rin might not have been fighting seriously... ? Yeah... I can see that...

If I were in Rin's place, I wouldn't have let go of that grab though. X)

About Rin's real fights, a lot of times he has been in feral rage. This means that if he is hurt, he isn't aware or that he heals so fast that it is barely worth attention. But he does hurt, does feel stunned or any other human reflexes that have been accumulated through life. I don't see him as hulk or thick-skinned to not feel anything.
You have a point about the rage.

As for the pain, I partly agree but not completely. I can speak from experience, the more you experience pain, the less you sens it. I'm not sure why though; either building up mental resistance over time or long term damage to pain receptors... Wait. Does Rin's demon regeneration regenerate his pain receptors whenever they get damaged? That wouldn't be useful. x(

I do get what you say, that while Yukio knocked him, ducked and used his momentum to torque out of the hold, it is unlikely if Rin put in actual strength to hold him. For a lot of 2-D, fictional fights, whether it is in a story or comic, I don't let it disturb me as it is difficult to reproduce accurately. But visually, such fights give themselves away easily.
Yeah. I know it must be hard to draw. I just enjoy doing fight reviews. But I still liked the fight. Like I said, it had tension, which is great. x)

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Re: Chapter 122 ENG
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2020, 03:45:23 PM »
-RIN. MAKE BETTER CHOICES ABOUT THINGS TO SAY TO YUKIO. YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT HE'S STRONG.
yo that shit rin said how he thought yukio was actually strong and not weak fucking put me in a bad mood bro ngl like i dunno if rin said that to tease yukio and trigger him more or he just be playing or he really thought at that point yukio's still  and will always be the scaredy cat . mah mans yukio.... i got u . youxre doin amazing sweetie. lol.

I don't think it really matters to Yukio at this point what Rin thinks of him. He has been hiding his own and others' secrets for so long that Rin and through Rin's POV as an audience, it feels startling. But it would definitely be a nice feeling for Yukio to have an upper hand for sometime, however short it is.
The end of this chapter is pretty vague, although we don't have many discussion yet. When I first saw that dialogue, I actually think Rin was implying that Yukio is strong because of Satan and that gun. If that's the case, Rin is much indirect than he usually is. (Could be a way to buy some time since he has to recovery from the shot.) Yukio looks angry at the end. Or maybe Rin didn't really mean that, but Yukio inevitably thought that way.

I also wonder what Yukio expected to hear when he started to explain the gun and said Rin should get serious. Did he think Rin should reply something like "I'll get serious" or be more surprised of the status?

Just one day before next chapter so we might get some answer soon.